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  • http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/university-shuts-down-college-society-over-alleged-homophobic-leaflets-29812552.html
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    AROLINE CRAWFORD – 05 DECEMBER 2013

    A THIRD level institution has suspended a college society over complaints about alleged homophobic activities.

    The National University of Ireland, Galway suspended the Legion of Mary after the distribution of controversial leaflets around the campus.

    The leaflets, from the Courage Community group, promoted what it described as a Purity Matters Initiative.

    It invited people with same sex attractions to “move beyond the confines of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ label” by developing “an interior life of chastity”.

    A statement on the leaflets continued; “I'm a child of God, don't call me gαy.”

    The initiative was in conjunction with the NUIG Legion of Mary society, according to the leaflets.

    The University Societies Coordination Group met on Tuesday to review the matter. This was initiated by Dr Pat Moran, the Vice-President for the Student Experience following complaints.

    This meeting resulted in the immediate suspension of the Legion of Mary society. It has now been removed from the University's website.

    A statement from the university said NUIG has a “pluralist ethos” and would not condone the production and dissemination of any material by students which discriminates against other students.

    It added that the Legion of Mary had apologised for any distress caused adding that “it was not their intention to offend or upset any person or group of people."

    “Discrimination or implied or direct harassment, on the basis of sɛҳuąƖ orientation and /or religion, is contrary to Irish and European law.

    “The Vice-President for the Student Experience initiated a process of enquiry to review the actions of the Society in question in the context of the University code of conduct, the University policy on harassment and Irish and European equality law,” read the NUI, Galway statement.

    “The University Societies Coordination Group met on Tuesday 3rd December, and suspended the Society named the NUIG Legion of Mary with immediate effect. NUI Galway is committed to protecting the liberty and equality of all students and does not condone such behaviour,” it added.


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    University shuts down college society over alleged homophobic leaflets
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  • http://thoughtactioneire.blogspot.ie/2013/11/the-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-agenda.html
    The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Agenda!

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    In February 1987 in ‘gαy Community News’, a Michael Swift wrote the following:

    “We shall sodomise your sons… We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theatre bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs.

    All laws banning ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men… If you dare to cry fαɢɢօt, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

    The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence-will be abolished.The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in a communal setting, under the control and instruction of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ savants.

    All churches who condemn us will be closed… We shall rewrite history… Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks”.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 09:51:00 AM »
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  • I doubt very much that University would suspend an Islamic or Jєωιѕн society in such a manner.

    Very few Catholics will make a protest or counter this. If it were an Islamic society, no doubt hundreds would take to the streets.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 10:45:07 AM »
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  • Apologies for not introducing myself to the forum beforehand, but I'd like to offer my opinion on this article.

    I respect the position that the League of Mary took. I can't discern, for lack of information, exactly what their position is on "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity", but it seems to be similar to my own; the entire "gαy pride" movement has been built upon the premise that "sɛҳuąƖ repression" is necessarily bad, and that one cannot be truly healthy unless one embraces, with overzealous passion, their sɛҳuąƖ desires and fantasies. This premise is ridiculous, for civilization requires that its members repress various urges when acting upon them would not comply with civil law — you might say that the failure of the rapist is that he was unable to successfully repress his sɛҳuąƖ urge. The same principle applies to divine law. I think that we can trace this mistaken idea that sɛҳuąƖ repression is unhealthy to at least as far back as Freud, who himself admitted that he found purpose in the subversion of culture:

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    "I myself had walked in Hannibal's footsteps; like him I was destined never to see Rome, and he too had gone to Campania when all were expecting him in Rome. Hannibal, with whom I had achieved this point of similarity, had been my favourite hero during my years at the Gymnasium; like so many boys of my age, I bestowed my sympathies in the Punic war not on the Romans, but on the Carthaginians. Moreover, when I finally came to realize the consequences of belonging to an alien race, and was forced by the anti-Semitic feeling among my classmates to take a definite stand, the figure of the Semitic commander assumed still greater proportions in my imagination. Hannibal and Rome symbolized, in my youthful eyes, the struggle between the tenacity of the Jєωs and the organization of the Catholic Church. The significance for our emotional life which the anti-Semitic movement has since assumed helped to fix the thoughts and impressions of those earlier days. Thus the desire to go to Rome has in my dream- life become the mask and symbol for a number of warmly cherished wishes, for whose realization one had to work with the tenacity and single-mindedness of the Punic general, though their fulfilment at times seemed as remote as Hannibal's life-long wish to enter Rome."


    You can see sɛҳuąƖ libertinism on display in the writing of De Sade, but I do not think that he ever laboured under the notion that his debauched fantasies were salubrious. Nevertheless, that is the most destructive falsehood that Public & Press have made dogma since the "sɛҳuąƖ liberation" of the 1960s, whose captain was the perverted man Alfred Kinsey and whose work was surely precipitated by his pervert predecessor Freud.

    So, if I were to come-out-of-the-closest and, with fear and trembling, declare that I am opposed to the very spirit of the gαy Pride parades and the propaganda that attends them (as a "homophobe"), and after enduring the bullying of the Proud one of them were to ask me, "What do you expect us to do!? We're ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, it's who we are!", I'd sincerely ask him or her, "Why don't you repress your sɛҳuąƖity?"

    I was speaking with a man over the internet the other day who was speaking about his girlfriend's jealousy. You see, this man was, in his own words, "attracted to asian girls", and so his girlfriend was jealous when she saw him admiring "asian girls". I told him that he wasn't attracted to "asian girls" and that he was only really attracted to his girlfriend, and that his so-called "attraction to asian girls" was nothing but a temptation in his flesh. I told him that he wasn't a heterosɛҳuąƖ at all (though clearly the poor fool thought he was): he wasn't attracted to women. He was attracted to a woman, his girlfriend, and if anyone or anything were to suggest otherwise he was to call that person or thing a liar or deception. This might seem like I'm idealizing monogamous love, but it's practical wisdom ought to be obvious. I can see a weary old married man making a sarcastic joke to an old acquaintance, "No, I'm not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or a heterosɛҳuąƖ, I'm married." I could equally see a newly-wed, still passionately-in-love young man saying to a temptress, "You think that I'm heterosɛҳuąƖ? I'm not, I'm married." Apply this principle to a Catholic priest or nun. Properly, a priest or nun is neither heterosɛҳuąƖ nor ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, he or she is asɛҳuąƖ. I'm not denying that these people do not experience sɛҳuąƖ temptation, what I'm saying is that binding yourself so strongly to those temptations so as to define yourself as, "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ", or "heterosɛҳuąƖ", is nothing but foolishness and double-mindedness. You can't be a functioning civilian and not repress your sɛҳuąƖity, you can't be a functioning civilian and not cease to be a "heterosɛҳuąƖ" or "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" or any other kind of -sɛҳuąƖ in most situations. Properly, a person is not any -sɛҳuąƖ except in those times when he is indulging a sɛҳuąƖ urge. Every other time he is not any -sɛҳuąƖ, or he is asɛҳuąƖ. This attempt to create identity based upon our habitual sɛҳuąƖ urges is a very clever attempt to barbarize and animalize us. This point becomes more clear when you recognize that the terms "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs" and "heterosɛҳuąƖs" themselves are a modern invention. Pre-modern society had never heard of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, though they had heard of sodomites and they were generally contemptuous of them. This is what I would like to stress, and what I think the Legion of Mary was trying to stress, that just because you are a "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" does not mean that you have to humiliate yourself by becoming a sodomite.

    Freud and Kinsey both despised chastity. Freud said that the thing he found sɛҳuąƖ morality abominable, and Kinsey said that the only abnormal form of sɛҳuąƖity was chastity. These are the false prophets that have possessed many.

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    University shuts down college society over alleged homophobic leaflets
    « Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 12:12:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: McFiggly
    Apologies for not introducing myself to the forum beforehand, but I'd like to offer my opinion on this article.

    I respect the position that the League of Mary took. I can't discern, for lack of information, exactly what their position is on "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity", but it seems to be similar to my own; the entire "gαy pride" movement has been built upon the premise that "sɛҳuąƖ repression" is necessarily bad, and that one cannot be truly healthy unless one embraces, with overzealous passion, their sɛҳuąƖ desires and fantasies. This premise is ridiculous, for civilization requires that its members repress various urges when acting upon them would not comply with civil law — you might say that the failure of the rapist is that he was unable to successfully repress his sɛҳuąƖ urge. The same principle applies to divine law. I think that we can trace this mistaken idea that sɛҳuąƖ repression is unhealthy to at least as far back as Freud, who himself admitted that he found purpose in the subversion of culture:

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    "I myself had walked in Hannibal's footsteps; like him I was destined never to see Rome, and he too had gone to Campania when all were expecting him in Rome. Hannibal, with whom I had achieved this point of similarity, had been my favourite hero during my years at the Gymnasium; like so many boys of my age, I bestowed my sympathies in the Punic war not on the Romans, but on the Carthaginians. Moreover, when I finally came to realize the consequences of belonging to an alien race, and was forced by the anti-Semitic feeling among my classmates to take a definite stand, the figure of the Semitic commander assumed still greater proportions in my imagination. Hannibal and Rome symbolized, in my youthful eyes, the struggle between the tenacity of the Jєωs and the organization of the Catholic Church. The significance for our emotional life which the anti-Semitic movement has since assumed helped to fix the thoughts and impressions of those earlier days. Thus the desire to go to Rome has in my dream- life become the mask and symbol for a number of warmly cherished wishes, for whose realization one had to work with the tenacity and single-mindedness of the Punic general, though their fulfilment at times seemed as remote as Hannibal's life-long wish to enter Rome."


    You can see sɛҳuąƖ libertinism on display in the writing of De Sade, but I do not think that he ever laboured under the notion that his debauched fantasies were salubrious. Nevertheless, that is the most destructive falsehood that Public & Press have made dogma since the "sɛҳuąƖ liberation" of the 1960s, whose captain was the perverted man Alfred Kinsey and whose work was surely precipitated by his pervert predecessor Freud.

    So, if I were to come-out-of-the-closest and, with fear and trembling, declare that I am opposed to the very spirit of the gαy Pride parades and the propaganda that attends them (as a "homophobe"), and after enduring the bullying of the Proud one of them were to ask me, "What do you expect us to do!? We're ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, it's who we are!", I'd sincerely ask him or her, "Why don't you repress your sɛҳuąƖity?"

    I was speaking with a man over the internet the other day who was speaking about his girlfriend's jealousy. You see, this man was, in his own words, "attracted to asian girls", and so his girlfriend was jealous when she saw him admiring "asian girls". I told him that he wasn't attracted to "asian girls" and that he was only really attracted to his girlfriend, and that his so-called "attraction to asian girls" was nothing but a temptation in his flesh. I told him that he wasn't a heterosɛҳuąƖ at all (though clearly the poor fool thought he was): he wasn't attracted to women. He was attracted to a woman, his girlfriend, and if anyone or anything were to suggest otherwise he was to call that person or thing a liar or deception. This might seem like I'm idealizing monogamous love, but it's practical wisdom ought to be obvious. I can see a weary old married man making a sarcastic joke to an old acquaintance, "No, I'm not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or a heterosɛҳuąƖ, I'm married." I could equally see a newly-wed, still passionately-in-love young man saying to a temptress, "You think that I'm heterosɛҳuąƖ? I'm not, I'm married." Apply this principle to a Catholic priest or nun. Properly, a priest or nun is neither heterosɛҳuąƖ nor ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, he or she is asɛҳuąƖ. I'm not denying that these people do not experience sɛҳuąƖ temptation, what I'm saying is that binding yourself so strongly to those temptations so as to define yourself as, "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ", or "heterosɛҳuąƖ", is nothing but foolishness and double-mindedness. You can't be a functioning civilian and not repress your sɛҳuąƖity, you can't be a functioning civilian and not cease to be a "heterosɛҳuąƖ" or "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" or any other kind of -sɛҳuąƖ in most situations. Properly, a person is not any -sɛҳuąƖ except in those times when he is indulging a sɛҳuąƖ urge. Every other time he is not any -sɛҳuąƖ, or he is asɛҳuąƖ. This attempt to create identity based upon our habitual sɛҳuąƖ urges is a very clever attempt to barbarize and animalize us. This point becomes more clear when you recognize that the terms "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs" and "heterosɛҳuąƖs" themselves are a modern invention. Pre-modern society had never heard of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, though they had heard of sodomites and they were generally contemptuous of them. This is what I would like to stress, and what I think the Legion of Mary was trying to stress, that just because you are a "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" does not mean that you have to humiliate yourself by becoming a sodomite.

    Freud and Kinsey both despised chastity. Freud said that the thing he found sɛҳuąƖ morality abominable, and Kinsey said that the only abnormal form of sɛҳuąƖity was chastity. These are the false prophets that have possessed many.


    Mc Figgly,

    I should like to hear you talk more about Freud and his opinions against Catholic customs. Did he not essentially advocate an atheistic view of life, for himself and for all those who would fall victim to psychology and psychiatry?
    Is Catholicism a mental illness in his opinion?


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    Mc Figgly,

    I should like to hear you talk more about Freud and his opinions against Catholic customs. Did he not essentially advocate an atheistic view of life, for himself and for all those who would fall victim to psychology and psychiatry?
    Is Catholicism a mental illness in his opinion?


    I'm afraid that I can't give you a definitive answer because I have only a superficial knowledge of Freud and his writing. However, the little that I have gleaned from Freud would lead me to conclude yes to both questions.

    I know many have drawn the comparison between seeing a psychiatrist and going to confession. Chesterton quipped, "Psychoanalysis is confession without absolution." I think there's an even deeper analogy to be made. I think that Psychoanalysis — the kind perpetrated by Freud, Jung, Lacan, et al. — is a kind of theology. That may be a bit of stretch on my part, especially seeing as I have little background in either field, but I think that there are clear similarities that can be spotted even by a shallow dilettante such as myself. Both employ similar theoretical techniques, combining knowledge of logic and symbolism with knowledge of self. Well, let's draw a few comparisons for the sake of illustration: the word psychological has in many ways become a substitute for the word spiritual since the advent of Psychoanalysis; knowledge gained through revelation by God has been replaced by knowledge gained through introspection; just as the word sin signifies crisis or failure in one's soul the word complex or neurosis has come to signify dysfunction in one's "psyche"; many today would laugh at the idea that they have a soul but people have no problem talking about the metaphysical ego and subconscious; just as Religion makes promises of spiritual satisfaction and fulfilment so does psychoanalysis and its practice promise a more "healthy" or satisfied "psychological" or "mental" life. Yes, I think that the Psychoanalysts have, from the start, been 3rd, 4th, and 5th rate theologians that, very sneakily, wrote under the pretext that what they offered was "scientific". They promised all  the fruits of theology (like purpose and meaning and fulfilment in life, although true theology offers more than these worldly things) while adorning themselves with the mantle of "Science" so that they could insinuate themselves into a culture that, under the influence of Freemasons, rationalists and naturalists, had become distrustful of theology and any other form of knowledge that wasn't "empirical". This is how they took the theos out of theology.  They began taking God out of society but the people still hungered for the transcendental, and Psychoanalysis has provided God-deprived persons with a false spiritual life for lack of the true one. This is how I see Psychoanalysis, a theology with a macabre aesthetic. Whereas true theology is fixated on the Divinity Psychoanalysis puts the "Ego" or "Psyche" or some other construct at the centre of reality. You can see the fruits of this fixation on the macabre in modern art. This answers your first question.

    As to your second question, I would be tempted to answer yes again. Not so much because Freud from his "research" came to that conclusion, more that Freud as a Jєωιѕн despiser of Gentile-Christian culture would seek to denigrate the fountain of that culture, the Catholic religion, with his new rhetoric. Here's a quote from a contemporary Jєωιѕн pornographer, “The only reason that Jєωs are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism." That supposedly came out of the mouth of a man named Al Goldstein.

    To supplement my original post I'd like to bring up a man named Andrew Sullivan, a Catholic man who has "come-out" as gαy. he describes to a camera his experience of "coming-out", and I think it in many ways shows how there has formed an entire religion or cult around this "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity". When he realized that he was gαy he said that it was like his world had gone from being black-and-white to being in colour. Don't people who realize that Christ is the Saviour have a similar experience? "Coming-out" seems to be a form of Baptism for them, a Born-again experience. He says that once he came out he could finally have love in his life, is this not similar to how Christians have Christ's love and neighbour love in their lives, a higher and more perfect love than they had ever had previously? He comments, "it's great to be yourself". Here it is again, the idea that being ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ is a predetermined identity that can only be repressed or revealed. This comes from, as I mentioned before, associating your self with your sɛҳuąƖ urges. Apparently repressing your sɛҳuąƖ urges would be tantamount to repressing your "true self", because whatever your loins burn for is the source of truth. I pity the people that have fallen victim to this ersatz religion. I can see a young boy tormenting himself with the idea that because he admires another boy at school it is his divine task to reveal his "inner-self" to parents and friends that may condemn his "true" identity. The young boy then, in the logic of the religion, becomes a Christ figure that must bear his cross and sacrifice himself for the sake of the truth to an ignorant people and a cruel world. The reality of the situation, however, is that these boys end up having an obscene amount of "sɛҳuąƖ partners", spreading venereal diseases, because that is the truth behind the "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle". I know that they have been pushing for "gαy marriage" but if you look into the matter you'll find that most ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs from the start had a haughty contempt for marriage and saw it as a "bourgeois" or "repressive" or "patriarchal" institution, and saw promiscuity as an integral part of their lifestyle. "gαy marriage" for many of them has been more about exerting their power and influence than anything else.


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  • John Grace,

    A minor point for an article like this, but could you help the Americans out.  What is a third level institution in Ireland?

    Thanks.
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  • @Mc Figgly

    Thank you for your most articulate and precise opinion, I do agree with you, but I go one step further, and I count psychiatry as a heresy that is not yet defined as such.

    @Sigismund

    A "third level" institution is a college / university.
    There are three levels in Irish education.
    1 Primary school
    2 Secondary school
    3 College / University

    Its the same system as everywhere else but it is just named something else...sometimes.


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  • Thanks, Soulguard.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir