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Offline ByzCat3000

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Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2021, 06:41:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: soulguard on March 05, 2014, 08:26:55 AM


    How has the Indult abused the "point of unity"?
    Are they not in full communion with the church?
    Is it not the fringe groups like SSPX who wilfully withhold full participation with the rest of the "Catholic" world on points of principle?

    What does it come down to? Principles or "unity"?
    Unfortunately you cannot have both completely.
    Everyone must accept some compromise.
    I hold the Sedevacantist position but I go to SSPX mass.
    Do I discuss the antipope to those who go to the SSPX? No. I dont bother causing friction because I would like to be able to continue going to mass and getting support from traditional Catholics.
    There is more that unites us than seporates us, and if anyone thinks that the Indult has nothing in common with them they deceive themselves. The Indult is very traditional, I know.
    I don't know that Matthew meant they hold *nothing* in common, but they do value unity to the point where they sought canonical regularization with Rome, affirm the NO as licit, etc.  That doesn't mean (at least for me) that there are no good Catholics among them, but those groups, as groups, have gone too far in the pro unity direction over the pro truth direction.  Trads *tend to* err towards the opposite.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #31 on: July 26, 2021, 08:07:27 AM »
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    • Over the last 4 decades I've been to all types of trad Masses: started out with ORCM sede Masses, when they left our area I switched to the Eastern Rite for awhile, then the indult came into being but it was always odd hours/churches in bad neighborhoods. Then I was able to get to a SSPX chapel via a friend who started going there.

    My biggest problem was an inability to drive so if I couldn't get a ride or if mass transit didn't go there, I was stuck. Now I am basically forced to be an internet Mass "attendee" due to chronic physical disabilities on top of still unable to drive.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #32 on: July 26, 2021, 03:51:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 26, 2021, 05:14:36 AM
    What shepherd would that be?
    The Pope is the Head Bishop; the first pope was known as a Rock.
    I say it is the LAST TRUE Pope who has been struck, the last Shepherd, and since then, all the problems mentioned on this thread are the consequence of having no pope. Thus we have scattered as the thread proves.
    Perhaps God will give us a little white pebble, (stone)  someday soon I hope to bring us together.  
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #33 on: July 26, 2021, 04:03:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on July 26, 2021, 03:51:55 PM
    The Pope is the Head Bishop; the first pope was known as a Rock.
    I say it is the LAST TRUE Pope who has been struck, the last Shepherd, and since then, all the problems mentioned on this thread are the consequence of having no pope. Thus we have scattered as the thread proves.
    Perhaps God will give us a little white pebble, (stone)  someday soon I hope to bring us together.  

    Okay, fair enough, but who was the last true pope in your view?
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #34 on: July 26, 2021, 04:37:37 PM »
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    • To me, the last true Pope was PopePius XII.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #35 on: July 26, 2021, 05:21:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: JOANORCM on July 26, 2021, 04:37:37 PM
    To me, the last true Pope was PopePius XII.
    I agree!
    After that Universal acceptance if it happened was null and void BECAUSE the solution to future elections  happened a long time ago, according to our sense of time.  God provided!
    A general council was convened to solve the church's problems on the eve of the Reformation. It was summoned by pope Julius II by the bull Sacrosanctae Romanae Ecclesiae.
    The bull reads:  Sorry you will have to enlarge it or see this site:  http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0067/_P6.HTM


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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #36 on: July 26, 2021, 06:27:59 PM »
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    • I am of the opinion that Pius X was the last true and holy pope.  One must ask why, why, did not Pius XII consecrate Russia.  This was asking for the conversion of Jєωs, all those of Bolshevik communism errors.  I am of the opinion that our Lady, knew the hearts of these enemies, and Our Lady was given this command? and yet Pius XII did not do it.  Why?  I think Our Lady wanted us to know what she knew, that the consecration would not take place.  And that is to tell us where his heart was.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #37 on: July 26, 2021, 06:43:40 PM »
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    • We don't know what was in the mind of Pope Pius XII, his mind, he suffered and knew about what was coming; knew that there was a terrible crisis on its way from within and that many priests and bishops were already Modernism. Shortly before his death, he confided to a cardinal, “After me, comes the deluge.” 

    He was a True Pope (Pope Pius XII) because he did not change the Deposit of Faith, he kept the Faith, in spite of failings on what many traditionalists hear from those who always want perfection. Have Faith the reign of Mary, her Immaculate is on the way in God's time, not ours.  
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #38 on: July 27, 2021, 12:06:35 PM »
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    • It is sad to see a thread on unity among those of us (who love the TLM and the Faith as it has been handed down to us) -- get sidetracked over who was the last Pope. That's just the kind of thing that allows the enemy to divide us. Let us focus on what we share: the TLM and the Faith as it has been handed down to us.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #39 on: July 27, 2021, 06:05:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on July 26, 2021, 06:27:59 PM
    I am of the opinion that Pius X was the last true and holy pope.  One must ask why, why, did not Pius XII consecrate Russia.  This was asking for the conversion of Jєωs, all those of Bolshevik communism errors.  I am of the opinion that our Lady, knew the hearts of these enemies, and Our Lady was given this command? and yet Pius XII did not do it.  Why?  I think Our Lady wanted us to know what she knew, that the consecration would not take place.  And that is to tell us where his heart was.
    Songbird. That Pope Pius XII, unwisely, for whatever personal or political reason, did not consecrate Russia, does not invalidate his papacy. You, nor I, are neither of us qualified to judge his heart. 
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #40 on: July 27, 2021, 06:59:05 PM »
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    • Our Lady, ws given the gift, knowing the hearts of men.  She knew where Pius XII heart was, not in the consecration.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #41 on: July 27, 2021, 09:48:21 PM »
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    • Yes, Our Lady knows the hearts of men, but we don't. 

    Still that does not invalidate his papacy. As much as you think you know the heart of Pius XII you can't make up your own rules.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #42 on: July 28, 2021, 07:34:06 PM »
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    • His outward actions speak louder than words.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #43 on: July 29, 2021, 04:03:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on July 27, 2021, 12:06:35 PM
    It is sad to see a thread on unity among those of us (who love the TLM and the Faith as it has been handed down to us) -- get sidetracked over who was the last Pope. That's just the kind of thing that allows the enemy to divide us. Let us focus on what we share: the TLM and the Faith as it has been handed down to us.

    I understand your sentiments, but remember that, aside from Christ, the pope is the center of unity in the Church.
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    Re: Unity is important - even among Trad Catholics
    « Reply #44 on: August 02, 2021, 10:44:27 AM »
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    • In light of recent tensions on the forum I think we should all take a deep breath. Sometimes in the heat of a debate and/or argument things are said that have a more forceful expression than would otherwise normally be intended.

    Here we have a thread extolling the need for unity in the Traditional Catholic community. Banning Traditional Catholics with a different perspective or view on the ecclesiological crisis on a Traditional Catholic forum, even if primarily pro Resistance/R&R, does not contribute to any unity and only serves to widen the rifts, create hostility, and foster divisiveness.
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