Author Topic: Is Heavy Metal Inherently Sinful (Read 5440 times)

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #30 on:** August 19, 2015, 09:01:12 PM »

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I challenge ANYONE to provide a link to any "Heavy Metal" that isn't inherently disgusting.

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Here are some more artists.

Shadow Gallery - Crystalline Dream 1995

Angra - Lisbon 1999

Evergrey - For Every Tear That Falls (Live) 2005

Liv Kristine-Trapped in your labyrinth 2006

Amorphis - Summer's End 1999

Dream Theater- Space-Dye Vest 1994

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #31 on:** August 20, 2015, 11:26:05 AM »

Quote from: Graham

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I challenge ANYONE to provide a link to any "Heavy Metal" that isn't inherently disgusting.

:jumping2:

So you're presenting a limp, cheap, incomplete and inaccurate hack regurgitation of a great 500-year-old Johann Sebastian Bach composition as an example of heavy metal???

I don't think so.

Notice they've only got one guitar attempting to copy a symphony orchestra or a full pipe organ. It's interesting they omitted the drums. Then there isn't much left to listen to, as the one-dimensional guitar (no dynamics) barely makes a dent in the material.

Don't get me wrong, Graham: I appreciate your reply. But this isn't heavy metal, sorry.

It's a lie.

The challenge remains.

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InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #32 on:** August 20, 2015, 09:24:49 PM »

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Quote from: Neil Obstat

I challenge ANYONE to provide a link to any "Heavy Metal" that isn't inherently disgusting.

:jumping2:

So you're presenting a limp, cheap, incomplete and inaccurate hack regurgitation of a great 500-year-old Johann Sebastian Bach composition as an example of heavy metal???

I don't think so.

Notice they've only got one guitar attempting to copy a symphony orchestra or a full pipe organ. It's interesting they omitted the drums. Then there isn't much left to listen to, as the one-dimensional guitar (no dynamics) barely makes a dent in the material.

Don't get me wrong, Graham: I appreciate your reply. But this isn't heavy metal, sorry.

It's a lie.

The challenge remains.

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What makes heavy metal disgusting?

Graham · « **Reply #33 on:** August 21, 2015, 07:32:18 AM »

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Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Graham
Quote from: Neil Obstat

I challenge ANYONE to provide a link to any "Heavy Metal" that isn't inherently disgusting.

:jumping2:

So you're presenting a limp, cheap, incomplete and inaccurate hack regurgitation of a great 500-year-old Johann Sebastian Bach composition as an example of heavy metal???

I don't think so.

Notice they've only got one guitar attempting to copy a symphony orchestra or a full pipe organ. It's interesting they omitted the drums. Then there isn't much left to listen to, as the one-dimensional guitar (no dynamics) barely makes a dent in the material.

Don't get me wrong, Graham: I appreciate your reply. But this isn't heavy metal, sorry.

It's a lie.

The challenge remains.

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What makes heavy metal disgusting?

The logically prior question is what makes heavy metal heavy metal? Maybe someone who actually listens could weigh in on the typical instrumentation (e.g. distorted electric guitar), rhythms, ethos, subject matter, and other musical aspects.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #34 on:** August 21, 2015, 04:19:08 PM »

Quote from: Graham

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Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Graham
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I challenge ANYONE to provide a link to any "Heavy Metal" that isn't inherently disgusting.

:jumping2:

So you're presenting a limp, cheap, incomplete and inaccurate hack regurgitation of a great 500-year-old Johann Sebastian Bach composition as an example of heavy metal???

I don't think so.

Notice they've only got one guitar attempting to copy a symphony orchestra or a full pipe organ. It's interesting they omitted the drums. Then there isn't much left to listen to, as the one-dimensional guitar (no dynamics) barely makes a dent in the material.

Don't get me wrong, Graham: I appreciate your reply. But this isn't heavy metal, sorry.

It's a lie.

The challenge remains.

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What makes heavy metal disgusting?

The logically prior question is what makes heavy metal heavy metal? Maybe someone who actually listens could weigh in on the typical instrumentation (e.g. distorted electric guitar), rhythms, ethos, subject matter, and other musical aspects.

The Heavy Metal artists I posted in the links in this thread have a huge variety of instruments' and styles (Bass, Acoustic and Electric Guitar, Electronic, New Age, Classical, Jazz, Folk, Heavy Metal Ballads, Ambient, and so on.

Here is what modern Celtic-Folk-Jazz Metal artist sounds like. Especially listen towards the end how the keyboard and guitars sound. This artist has been around for almost 25 years.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #35 on:** August 21, 2015, 04:32:10 PM »

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IMHO without loud, driving percussion (a drum set), loud, distorted (screaming) electric guitar and loud, distorted (screaming) vocals, it can't qualify as heavy metal.

If you disagree that loud distortions in vocals and electric guitar are always musically disgusting, then we really can't have a conversation here. I've spent far too long working far too hard in the appreciation of truly beautiful music to throw that all out in favor of some popular urge for the diametrically opposite qualities.

As for loud, driving percussion (drum set), I would perhaps allow some figment of possible redeeming value, but I'm not quite sure of the appropriate application. E.g., whenever I've seen a drum set installed on a stage, even with a symphony orchestra in front of it, I have been not too shocked to find the reason for its inclusion has utterly nothing to do with symphonic orchestral sounds.

There are various folk genres where the presence of prominent percussion is an integral part of the artistry and tradition of the whole. Therefore, percussion, per se, cannot always be found "inherently sinful." However, for some persons, the hearing of and being subject to incessant drum beats can only excite their base passions, and before they know what's happening, they might lose control of their own physical urges. To them, therefore, willingly being in that environment is to put themselves into the near occasion of sin.

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Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #36 on:** August 21, 2015, 04:38:24 PM »

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However, for some persons, the hearing of and being subject to incessant drum beats can only excite their base passions, and before they know what's happening, they might lose control of their own physical urges. To them, therefore, willingly being in that environment is to put themselves into the near occasion of sin.

I agree!

The music scene is all a great conspiracy. When music has come out in the last several years very similar to the music I posted in the links, and they are actually calling the music Christian, you know the Devil has many people deceived.

Raid · « **Reply #37 on:** August 21, 2015, 04:44:24 PM »

For those about to rock, we salute you. m/

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/8fPf6L0XNvM[/youtube]

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #38 on:** August 21, 2015, 04:53:32 PM »

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I challenge ANYONE to provide a link to any "Heavy Metal" that isn't inherently disgusting.

:jumping2:

So you're presenting a limp, cheap, incomplete and inaccurate hack regurgitation of a great 500-year-old Johann Sebastian Bach composition as an example of heavy metal???

I don't think so.

Notice they've only got one guitar attempting to copy a symphony orchestra or a full pipe organ. It's interesting they omitted the drums. Then there isn't much left to listen to, as the one-dimensional guitar (no dynamics) barely makes a dent in the material.

Don't get me wrong, Graham: I appreciate your reply. But this isn't heavy metal, sorry.

It's a lie.

The challenge remains.

.

What makes heavy metal disgusting?

The logically prior question is what makes heavy metal heavy metal? Maybe someone who actually listens could weigh in on the typical instrumentation (e.g. distorted electric guitar), rhythms, ethos, subject matter, and other musical aspects.

The Heavy Metal artists I posted in the links in this thread have a huge variety of instruments' and styles (Bass, Acoustic and Electric Guitar, Electronic, New Age, Classical, Jazz, Folk, Heavy Metal Ballads, Ambient, and so on.

Here is what modern Celtic-Folk-Jazz Metal artist sounds like. Especially listen towards the end how the keyboard and guitars sound. This artist has been around for almost 25 years.

This "artist" (Amorphis) is obviously all about the following:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/mBrQ2vly2Mw[/youtube]

If you really think this bilge scuм is "beautiful," Truth is Eternal, then we can't have any intelligent discussion here.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #39 on:** August 21, 2015, 05:03:18 PM »

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However, for some persons, the hearing of and being subject to incessant drum beats can only excite their base passions, and before they know what's happening, they might lose control of their own physical urges. To them, therefore, willingly being in that environment is to put themselves into the near occasion of sin.

I agree!

The music scene is all a great conspiracy. When music has come out in the last several years very similar to the music I posted in the links, and they are actually calling the music Christian, you know the Devil has many people deceived.

There's nothing 'new' about it.

I attended a so-called Senior Prom probably a year or ten before you were born, invited there by a friend. It was an 'evangelical Christian' high school where they thought dancing was sinful, so instead, all the students attending sat still at their tables while the band played on the stage (elevated by one step level). They played "Christian Rock" that sounded about half as bad as Amorphis does.

Been there, done that.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #40 on:** August 21, 2015, 05:15:50 PM »

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"Christian Rock" bands play selections that are the logical consequence of the UNCLEAN SPIRIT of Vatican II.

It is an unclean spirit that animates all of hard rock 'music' (it isn't really music).

And it is an unclean spirit that inspires "Christian Rock" as well.

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ClarkSmith · « **Reply #41 on:** August 29, 2015, 02:30:38 PM »

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Listening to metal music is one of the reasons why I fell away from the church. Spiritually it is probably worse than taking heroin.

I hope you've come back, since then! :scratchchin:

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No one starts out listening to extreme metal music. It is a very gradual thing.I actually started by listening to mainstream alternative rock. There is a pull to find new music and be immersed in it.

It's also not just about the music. You join a subculture when you become a fan of a certain genre. You try to fit in with the people in that subculture. To fit in you adopt a lot of that subcultures tendencies.

I think listening to metal will lead to atheism because the majority of the lyrics make you question the existence of God. A lot of people say I don't listen to the music for the lyrics but the thing is you're repeatedly listening to that message over and over.

Your behavior changes when you listen to metal music. You will become more moody and angry. You won't want to attend Church and have less respect for religion in general.

There is no Christian alternative when it comes to metal music. Metal music by nature is aggressive, depressive, and moody. You will always have negative thoughts while listening to metal music.

I won't say metal was the only reason why I became faithless but it was a major contributing factor.

I gave up extreme metal almost overnight. I just became disgusted with it and just didn't want to listen to it anymore. God never gives up on us.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 15, 2015, 07:52:48 AM »

According to a Priest who exorcised a woman in Long Beach, Ca., in the
1950's. He was told that the devils will possessed a whole generation
of youth through rock music.

I was part of that generation and the devil did not get me.

Sad thing, this music was promoted in the Catholic Schools in the
1960's.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D051_Rock_1.htm