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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Thursday on May 26, 2012, 10:06:45 PM
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Get your crucifix and support CMRI here.
http://www.miqcenter.com/religious-goods/crucifixes-pendant.shtml
Lord Christopher Monckton (a devout catholic) talks to Alex Jones about it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBFv_cocgmk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113304/Governments-legal-fight-AGAINST-right-wear-cross-work-brings-accusations-sidelining-Christianity.html
Government's legal fight AGAINST the right to wear a cross at work brings accusations it is 'sidelining Christianity'By Brendan Carlin
PUBLISHED: 01:08 GMT, 11 March 2012 | UPDATED: 11:15
Nadia Eweida claims she was discriminated against when her employers stopped her wearing a cross
The Government was last night accused of ‘sidelining’ Christianity for preparing a legal fight against believers having the right to wear the cross at work.
In a move branded ‘extraordinary’ by Christian groups, the Government was reported to be ready to argue against two British women at the European Court of Human Rights.
It is set to defend the right of employers to ban the cross as it is not a ‘requirement’ of the Christian faith to wear it. Bosses could then sack workers who insisted on wearing the symbol.
The move would potentially scupper the case being brought by two Christian women, Nadia Eweida and Shirley Chaplin, who claim they were discriminated against when their employers stopped them wearing crosses.
The Ministry of Justice was last night unavailable for comment, but Christian groups expressed their astonishment at the news.
Andrea Williams, the director of the Christian Legal Centre, said: ‘It is extraordinary that a Conservative Government should argue that the wearing of the cross is not a generally recognised practice of the faith.’
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Are they taking workers' shirts off to see if they wear a Cross?
If not, how do they know that they are wearing one?
Christians should not advertise their religion with material signs of faith.
Better to live by Christian principles in one's daily life.
Wear a scapular, don't show it off.
Thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.
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Are they taking workers' shirts off to see if they wear a Cross?
If not, how do they know that they are wearing one?
Christians should not advertise their religion with material signs of faith.
Better to live by Christian principles in one's daily life.
Wear a scapular, don't show it off.
Thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.
Nonsense. Have you ever heard of the Kingship of Christ?
He should be worshipped openly and publicly.
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The Mass is public worship.
Hence the word "liturgy."
A Crucifix necklace is a sacramental.
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So you would have no problem with them banning crucifixes in the workplace and schools, hospitals?
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Issue is wearing a Crucifix necklace for show.
Issue is not Catholic institutions displaying Crucifixes in their own buildings.
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Well where do you think they are going with this? You think if they get away with banning the crucifix necklace they will stop there?
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The issue appears to be an unnecessary display of a religious symbol in a nondenominational hospital.
I would also expect to not see religious symbols on the walls of a nondenominational hospital.
Issue here is that someone just wants to show off how holy holy she is.
Easy to wear scapulars and Crucifixes without anyone seeing.
Call me when Catholic institutions are forced to remove Catholic pictures and symbols.
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Troll
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I am a troll because you can't think of anything to say to me?
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I have something to say.
People have a right to express their faith in a free society. No rational person, NO rational person, of any faith or no faith, could be rationally offended by someone wearing a cross. That requires a level of malevolent stupidity that even most liberals are incapable of. In a society in which religious freedom is regarded as a basic human right (I believe this is still the official position of the UK) it is very short trip from this silliness to telling clergy (Catholic, Anglican, Methodist or whatever) that they cannot wear clerical collars in public, or that a nun or a Muslim woman can't wear a veil, or that a Jew can't wear a yarmulke. A society that wants us to believe that it is simply concerned about the rights of minority religions rather than overtly hostile to all religion should really want to back away from this.
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Yeah, Lord Monckton said they made the Catholic adoption agencies shut down in the UK because they wouldn't let ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs adopt. And of course the liberal, spineless NO bishops put up no fight whatsoever.
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Thursday forgot charity when logging in
Obviously I am the troll because I disagree
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I am a troll because you can't think of anything to say to me?
You're called a troll because of your behavior, nothing else.
Are other religious items banned? Head scarves, yarmulkes, etc.?
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Not in England, perhaps, but I believe they have been in France.
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Nylndech. I add to your ignore of 1 and I will up it to 2 and see who follows. Face God, Nylndech, and see what he thinks of you hiding Him! That means He came here on earth in VAIN!
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Are they taking workers' shirts off to see if they wear a Cross?
If not, how do they know that they are wearing one?
Christians should not advertise their religion with material signs of faith.
Better to live by Christian principles in one's daily life.
Wear a scapular, don't show it off.
Thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.
So you don't think Catholics should show that they're not ashamed of their Faith, huh?
Sorry, but that is not a Catholic mindset. According to your logic, the Apostles were basically "showing off" their Faith instead of keeping their Faith "in secret". As if the latter would be the right thing to do.
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Nylndech, are you Catholic?
The issue appears to be an unnecessary display of a religious symbol
How shocking! :shocked: And we've just celebrated the feast of Pentecost. You remember.. that's when Peter got out and started showing off in front of all those folk from Mesopotamia, Phrygia, Judea, etc etc etc.
I would also expect to not see religious symbols on the walls of a nondenominational hospital.
You wouldn't approve of the Italian custom of leaving the Crucifixes up on the walls in state hospitals (which belonged at one time to the Church)?
Issue here is that someone just wants to show off how holy holy she is.
Not someone, TWO women who were named in the article. Does it embarrass you to see the Cross, even worse for you to see the Crucifix displayed. There is a serious problem here.
Easy to wear scapulars and Crucifixes without anyone seeing.
It would have been easier on Jesus not to have died on the Cross.
Call me when Catholic institutions are forced to remove Catholic pictures and symbols.
By the sound of it you'd run with your tail between your legs.
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The response I have received here is very familiar
Received much the same self-righteous holy holy bluster before
Pro-abortion Catholics also get very sanctimonious when you tell them abortion is bad
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Which brings me back to my first question; are you Catholic? because you seem to have a problem with any sign of holiness.
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That should be my question
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That should be my question
Answer questions, don't just ask them.
NyIndech should respond, not just inquire.
Me thinks troll at work.
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Preaching Christ and Him crucified will always be offensive to a sinful and fallen world. So it was for the Apostles - so it must be for us. This kind of event shows that secularism's claim to be "neutral" is laughable. He is blind who is "neutral" between light and darkness, and so too he who is indifferent between truth and error shows himself to be in error. When Christians say, incorrectly, that government must treat all religions the same, they concede already the erroneous principle that government is to be the supreme arbiter in disputes concerning religion, that government must decide what is to be tolerated and what is not. What we must say is that government is bound to serve Christ the King.
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The ideal form of government would be a benevolent, traditional Catholic constitutional monarchy.
I actually came up with the framework of the constitution for such a government some time ago. It included religious freedom with Catholic primacy, and it outright forbade same-sex "marriage" and unnecessary abortion.
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Please ignore my above post, I messed it up big time (I was trying to add an emoticon I had saved on my computer, but never mind).
unnecessary abortion.
When is abortion ever necessary?
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Please ignore my above post, I messed it up big time (I was trying to add an emoticon I had saved on my computer, but never mind).
unnecessary abortion.
When is abortion ever necessary?
Darn. You beat me to it.
What about unnecessary ѕυιcιdє, or unnecessary prostitution?
Unnecessary substance abuse, or unnecessary contraception?
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The ideal form of government would be a benevolent, traditional Catholic constitutional monarchy.
I actually came up with the framework of the constitution for such a government some time ago. It included religious freedom with Catholic primacy, and it outright forbade same-sex "marriage" and unnecessary abortion.
NyIndech thinks some abortions necessary?
Can't have unnecessary without necessary.
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Does NyIndech even own one crucifix?
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Darn. You beat me to it.
What about unnecessary ѕυιcιdє, or unnecessary prostitution?
Unnecessary substance abuse, or unnecessary contraception?
Yeah I know it's redundant. Even trads make mistakes; imagine that.
Pretty rotten place where the Uh-Oh Squad shows up every time they think someone finally did something to reveal that they are a Communist Jew Mason nαzι Satanist.
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Darn. You beat me to it.
What about unnecessary ѕυιcιdє, or unnecessary prostitution?
Unnecessary substance abuse, or unnecessary contraception?
Yeah I know it's redundant. Even trads make mistakes; imagine that.
Pretty rotten place where the Uh-Oh Squad shows up every time they think someone finally did something to reveal that they are a Communist Jew Mason nαzι Satanist.
I think you're missing the point. E.g.:
The ideal form of government would be a benevolent, traditional Catholic constitutional monarchy.
I actually came up with the framework of the constitution for such a government some time ago. It included religious freedom with Catholic primacy, and it outright forbade same-sex "marriage" and unnecessary abortion.
It outright forbade unnecessary ѕυιcιdє.
It outright forbade unnecessary prostitution.
It outright forbade unnecessary substance abuse.
It outright forbade unnecessary contraception.
Would those be items to consider?
Perhaps you're unaware that some of us are informed enough to know that "unnecessary abortion" is a talking point of certain agenda seekers. The fact that you have not responded to the honest and pertinent question asked of you by SpiritusSanctus today at 5:12 is all we need to know.
BTW if the place is so rotten, why come back?
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SpiritusSanctus' messages have been hidden from me for a while now.
I did not write down the entire constitution I had come up with.
Did you expect me to turn the entire topic over to the Catholic Constitutional Congress?
I expect apology forthwith.
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So how do you expect to carry on a conversation if you can't read the other half?
Makes no sense.
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If I posted the whole deal and explained every point, you'd be complaining that I derailed the thread.
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Tell you what: I'll post his question for you, so you can read it, and answer it,
unless, that is, you have me on "ignore" as well (I've abbreviated his name so it shows up for you):
unnecessary abortion.
When is abortion ever necessary?
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Interesting that Nylndech ignores people who correct him for his errors.
I stll say that Nylndech should be banned. He is no Catholic.
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NyIndech is a put on, a play person. Someone sitting in front of their computer screen inventing a phony personality.
I'm just curious to know if NyIndech even owns one crucifix.
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I own so many crucifixes that I've lost count.
I found one in the trash about a year ago. It was broken, made of wood.
So I got some carpenter's glue and a spring clamp, and repaired the
damage. It now hangs on my wall over a picture of St. Francis, and
looks like it really belongs there. Imagine, it would have been 12' deep
in some landfill by now.
I got a sterling crucifix for a rosary I'm making for my wife, and the
corpus broke off! I took it back to the jeweler, who sent it out to be
repaired. He said the factory he was sending it to has a special machine,
a laser solder machine, that costs about $60,000 so it's too expensive
for shops unless it's a manufacturer.
The place where the corpus had been defectively silver soldered before
was under the leg area, only, but this repair entailed solder under the
two hands, as well, and they did a pretty good job of keeping any material
from mooshing out behind the hands. To be honest, I think they could have
been a bit more meticulous. If this was in an assembly line, it would have
been a reject. But it's not bad.
My mother gave me a nice metal frame crucifix with ebony inlays, a
semi-precious metal corpus, and a skull and crossbones under the feet
of Our Lord. I think it was a part of a nun's habit from a hundred years
ago, but I don't know whose. I gave it to my wonderful daughter, who
expressed an interest in it. God bless her! It's nice to pass on things of
great significance to the faith to our children who are appreciative.