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« on: September 23, 2013, 01:15:48 PM »
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  • I am wondering if Bishop Williamson ever made any audio tapes of proper catechesis, and does anyone here have a link to them?
    I very much like the way he gives information, have little time for sitting still which I usually spend on rosaries so audios would be wonderful!
    I have some by Rev. Bishop Fulton Sheen, but I am looking for something a little more meat on it, if that makes sense.

    Also, I have read all of the catechism of the Catholic Church, yet am unable to find an explicit order that the Latin Rite is no longer allowed or is illicit. I respectfully ask if perhaps I am lacking some understanding as to the Vatican's position against it, would someone please point me to the area of the catechism or docuмents that disallow the Latin Rite?

    Thank you all very much in advance
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    « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 01:33:51 PM »
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  • There is no such docuмent, but there is this permanantly allowing it forever, "in perpetuity."

    http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm


    APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION

    QUO PRIMUM

    Pope St. Pius V - July 14, 1570

    From the very first, upon Our elevation to the chief Apostleship, We gladly turned our mind and energies and directed all out thoughts to those matters which concerned the preservation of a pure liturgy, and We strove with God's help, by every means in our power, to accomplish this purpose. For, besides other decrees of the sacred Council of Trent, there were stipulations for Us to revise and re-edit the sacred books: the Catechism, the Missal and the Breviary. With the Catechism published for the instruction of the faithful, by God's help, and the Breviary thoroughly revised for the worthy praise of God, in order that the Missal and Breviary may be in perfect harmony, as fitting and proper - for its most becoming that there be in the Church only one appropriate manner of reciting the Psalms and only one rite for the celebration of Mass - We deemed it necessary to give our immediate attention to what still remained to be done, viz, the re-editing of the Missal as soon as possible.

    Hence, We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses.

    Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman Church, the Mother and Teacher of the other churches, and let Masses not be sung or read according to any other formula than that of this Missal published by Us. This ordinance applies henceforth, now, and forever, throughout all the provinces of the Christian world, to all patriarchs, cathedral churches, collegiate and parish churches, be they secular or religious, both of men and of women - even of military orders - and of churches or chapels without a specific congregation in which conventual Masses are sung aloud in choir or read privately in accord with the rites and customs of the Roman Church. This Missal is to be used by all churches, even by those which in their authorization are made exempt, whether by Apostolic indult, custom, or privilege, or even if by oath or official confirmation of the Holy See, or have their rights and faculties guaranteed to them by any other manner whatsoever.

    This new rite alone is to be used unless approval of the practice of saying Mass differently was given at the very time of the institution and confirmation of the church by Apostolic See at least 200 years ago, or unless there has prevailed a custom of a similar kind which has been continuously followed for a period of not less than 200 years, in which most cases We in no wise rescind their above-mentioned prerogative or custom. However, if this Missal, which we have seen fit to publish, be more agreeable to these latter, We grant them permission to celebrate Mass according to its rite, provided they have the consent of their bishop or prelate or of their whole Chapter, everything else to the contrary notwithstanding.

    All other of the churches referred to above, however, are hereby denied the use of other missals, which are to be discontinued entirely and absolutely; whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure.

    We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator, and all other persons or whatever ecclesiastical dignity they may be, be they even cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them in virtue of holy obedience to chant or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herewith laid down by Us and, hereafter, to discontinue and completely discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, however ancient, which they have customarily followed; and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal.

    Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present docuмent cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription - except, however, if more than two hundred years' standing.

    It is Our will, therefore, and by the same authority, We decree that, after We publish this constitution and the edition of the Missal, the priests of the Roman Curia are, after thirty days, obliged to chant or read the Mass according to it; all others south of the Alps, after three months; and those beyond the Alps either within six months or whenever the Missal is available for sale. Wherefore, in order that the Missal be preserved incorrupt throughout the whole world and kept free of flaws and errors, the penalty for nonobservance for printers, whether mediately or immediately subject to Our dominion, and that of the Holy Roman Church, will be the forfeiting of their books and a fine of one hundred gold ducats, payable ipso facto to the Apostolic Treasury. Further, as for those located in other parts of the world, the penalty is excommunication latae sententiae, and such other penalties as may in Our judgment be imposed; and We decree by this law that they must not dare or presume either to print or to publish or to sell, or in any way to accept books of this nature without Our approval and consent, or without the express consent of the Apostolic Commissaries of those places, who will be appointed by Us. Said printer must receive a standard Missal and agree faithfully with it and in no wise vary from the Roman Missal of the large type (secundum magnum impressionem).

    Accordingly, since it would be difficult for this present pronouncement to be sent to all parts of the Christian world and simultaneously come to light everywhere, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, also at the Apostolic Chancery, and on the street at Campo Flora; furthermore, We direct that printed copies of this same edict signed by a notary public and made official by an ecclesiastical dignitary possess the same indubitable validity everywhere and in every nation, as if Our manuscript were shown there. Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

    Given at St. Peter's in the year of the Lord's Incarnation, 1570, on the 14th of July of the Fifth year of Our Pontificate.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 01:42:57 PM »
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  • Welcome, MamaChacha.  I would recommend throwing away the so-called 'Catechism of the Catholic Church.'  It is not really a Catholic Catechism, and it teaches heresy, like that Muslims worship the same God as we do and are part of the Divine Plan of salvation.  You can replace it with a Catechism like the Baltimore Catechism or the Catechism of Trent.

    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 02:29:15 PM »
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  • Yes, I agree with Mithrandylan that you should get rid of the CCC. I have never read it, but I have heard from Bishop Williamson and others that it has heresies in it. It is the Catechism of Vatican II and as traditional Catholics we should reject Vatican II and all that came from it.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 23, 2013, 05:14:19 PM »
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  • Thank you, parentsfortruth. I am looking for the justification for the vernacular mass to be preferred. I am a bit confused to the reasoning and I cannot find any justification on my own.
     :confused1:
     
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    Welcome, MamaChacha.  I would recommend throwing away the so-called 'Catechism of the Catholic Church.'  It is not really a Catholic Catechism, and it teaches heresy, like that Muslims worship the same God as we do and are part of the Divine Plan of salvation.  You can replace it with a Catechism like the Baltimore Catechism or the Catechism of Trent.



    Thank you for your kind words of welcome.   :pop:  This heresy is especially concerning to me.  I do have the Baltimore catechism and I have the catechism of Trent for priests in pdf. Is there a great difference between them? I have not finished the catechism of Trent yet.
    Thanks to all for your responses.
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    « Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 06:26:55 PM »
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  • Mamachacha, if you are new to Catholicism, avoid any books published after 1965 as a general rule.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 06:53:22 PM »
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  • Ah...good advice.  Thank you.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 09:57:03 AM »
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    Thank you, parentsfortruth. I am looking for the justification for the vernacular mass to be preferred. I am a bit confused to the reasoning and I cannot find any justification on my own.
     :confused1:



    There isn't a justification because the "received and approved" rite of the Church will always be the Missal of Pius V. Paul the sick wanted to put his "stamp of approval" on the NO, saying "I like this mass, I think you should use it," and people went along with it based on "obedience," but it was a false obedience. Instead of being a proper "command" by a pope, it was a massive deception to pull people away from the Faith. Boy did it work.

    Take a look at this.

    And then, perhaps, read through this thread regarding the plan of the Freemasons, paying particular attention to these quotes:



    11. Discontinue the practice of celebrating Mass, direction, or, at least, the presence of the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle. Do not admit any tabernacle on the altar that are used for the celebration of mass. The board should have the look of a kitchen table. It must be transportable to express that it is not sacred, but must serve more than one purpose, for example, conference or play cards. Further on, place at least one seat (by) this table. The priest must take place to indicate that, after Communion, he rest as after a meal. The priest must not ever do genuflections, kneeling, or standing. At meals, in fact, there never (is) kneel(ing). The chair of the priest should be (in the) place (of the) tabernacle. Encourage people to have the feelings of veneration and worship towards the priest that should (be) had towards the Eucharist, this would be "good thing" obey like Jesus in person. Place the Tabernacle in another room, out of sight.

    g) Finally, our greatest aspiration is to eliminate Mass. It can not be deleted from one day to another, because many did not accept. It should suppress the appearance of "sacrifice" and limit the size of the "fraternal dinner. " In this way, the mass will have lost its value and sacramental meeting will become a simple, empty of any content.

    Once the Mass is destroyed, we will have destroyed its essence, the Catholic Church itself,from the inside , without bloody persecution, the capitulation of Catholics themselves. We have the triumph of hand.

    (The quotes were translated from Italian, probably not the best, but you get the idea.)
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 11:28:50 AM »
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  • Awesome...more Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ!  :facepalm:

    I can't get away from those Gnostic  :cussing:
    I know their stupid signs and tokens and their totally bizarre world domination plans. Their perversion of the most holy trinity is the most upsetting part, or so I thought...I should have figured they'd weasel their way even into the Vatican. They're everywhere, like rats!

    When Pope Benedict did the sign of the nail with Tony Blair, I thought it was a fluke because I thought he was pretty conservative. But I thought Pope Pius XII was conservative too, but that was incorrect also. I wonder how many masons are in the Vatican?
    One is way too many.
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    « Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 11:54:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    There is no such docuмent, but there is this permanantly allowing it forever, "in perpetuity."

    http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm


    APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION

    QUO PRIMUM

    Pope St. Pius V - July 14, 1570

    From the very first, upon Our elevation to the chief Apostleship, We gladly turned our mind and energies and directed all out thoughts to those matters which concerned the preservation of a pure liturgy, and We strove with God's help, by every means in our power, to accomplish this purpose. For, besides other decrees of the sacred Council of Trent, there were stipulations for Us to revise and re-edit the sacred books: the Catechism, the Missal and the Breviary. With the Catechism published for the instruction of the faithful, by God's help, and the Breviary thoroughly revised for the worthy praise of God, in order that the Missal and Breviary may be in perfect harmony, as fitting and proper - for its most becoming that there be in the Church only one appropriate manner of reciting the Psalms and only one rite for the celebration of Mass - We deemed it necessary to give our immediate attention to what still remained to be done, viz, the re-editing of the Missal as soon as possible.

    Hence, We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses.

    Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman Church, the Mother and Teacher of the other churches, and let Masses not be sung or read according to any other formula than that of this Missal published by Us. This ordinance applies henceforth, now, and forever, throughout all the provinces of the Christian world, to all patriarchs, cathedral churches, collegiate and parish churches, be they secular or religious, both of men and of women - even of military orders - and of churches or chapels without a specific congregation in which conventual Masses are sung aloud in choir or read privately in accord with the rites and customs of the Roman Church. This Missal is to be used by all churches, even by those which in their authorization are made exempt, whether by Apostolic indult, custom, or privilege, or even if by oath or official confirmation of the Holy See, or have their rights and faculties guaranteed to them by any other manner whatsoever.

    This new rite alone is to be used unless approval of the practice of saying Mass differently was given at the very time of the institution and confirmation of the church by Apostolic See at least 200 years ago, or unless there has prevailed a custom of a similar kind which has been continuously followed for a period of not less than 200 years, in which most cases We in no wise rescind their above-mentioned prerogative or custom. However, if this Missal, which we have seen fit to publish, be more agreeable to these latter, We grant them permission to celebrate Mass according to its rite, provided they have the consent of their bishop or prelate or of their whole Chapter, everything else to the contrary notwithstanding.

    All other of the churches referred to above, however, are hereby denied the use of other missals, which are to be discontinued entirely and absolutely; whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure.

    We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator, and all other persons or whatever ecclesiastical dignity they may be, be they even cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them in virtue of holy obedience to chant or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herewith laid down by Us and, hereafter, to discontinue and completely discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, however ancient, which they have customarily followed; and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal.

    Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present docuмent cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription - except, however, if more than two hundred years' standing.

    It is Our will, therefore, and by the same authority, We decree that, after We publish this constitution and the edition of the Missal, the priests of the Roman Curia are, after thirty days, obliged to chant or read the Mass according to it; all others south of the Alps, after three months; and those beyond the Alps either within six months or whenever the Missal is available for sale. Wherefore, in order that the Missal be preserved incorrupt throughout the whole world and kept free of flaws and errors, the penalty for nonobservance for printers, whether mediately or immediately subject to Our dominion, and that of the Holy Roman Church, will be the forfeiting of their books and a fine of one hundred gold ducats, payable ipso facto to the Apostolic Treasury. Further, as for those located in other parts of the world, the penalty is excommunication latae sententiae, and such other penalties as may in Our judgment be imposed; and We decree by this law that they must not dare or presume either to print or to publish or to sell, or in any way to accept books of this nature without Our approval and consent, or without the express consent of the Apostolic Commissaries of those places, who will be appointed by Us. Said printer must receive a standard Missal and agree faithfully with it and in no wise vary from the Roman Missal of the large type (secundum magnum impressionem).

    Accordingly, since it would be difficult for this present pronouncement to be sent to all parts of the Christian world and simultaneously come to light everywhere, We direct that it be, as usual, posted and published at the doors of the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles, also at the Apostolic Chancery, and on the street at Campo Flora; furthermore, We direct that printed copies of this same edict signed by a notary public and made official by an ecclesiastical dignitary possess the same indubitable validity everywhere and in every nation, as if Our manuscript were shown there. Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.

    Given at St. Peter's in the year of the Lord's Incarnation, 1570, on the 14th of July of the Fifth year of Our Pontificate.


    This cannot be posted often enough.  :pray:

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    « Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 10:51:39 PM »
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    I am wondering if Bishop Williamson ever made any audio tapes of proper catechesis, and does anyone here have a link to them?
    I very much like the way he gives information, have little time for sitting still which I usually spend on rosaries so audios would be wonderful!
    I have some by Rev. Bishop Fulton Sheen, but I am looking for something a little more meat on it, if that makes sense.

    Also, I have read all of the catechism of the Catholic Church, yet am unable to find an explicit order that the Latin Rite is no longer allowed or is illicit. I respectfully ask if perhaps I am lacking some understanding as to the Vatican's position against it, would someone please point me to the area of the catechism or docuмents that disallow the Latin Rite?

    Thank you all very much in advance
     :cheers:

    There are no docuмents that disallow the Latin Rite because it was never supressed.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 10:53:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    I am wondering if Bishop Williamson ever made any audio tapes of proper catechesis, and does anyone here have a link to them?
    I very much like the way he gives information, have little time for sitting still which I usually spend on rosaries so audios would be wonderful!
    I have some by Rev. Bishop Fulton Sheen, but I am looking for something a little more meat on it, if that makes sense.

    Also, I have read all of the catechism of the Catholic Church, yet am unable to find an explicit order that the Latin Rite is no longer allowed or is illicit. I respectfully ask if perhaps I am lacking some understanding as to the Vatican's position against it, would someone please point me to the area of the catechism or docuмents that disallow the Latin Rite?

    Thank you all very much in advance
     :cheers:

    There are no docuмents that disallow the Latin Rite because it was never supressed.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 26, 2013, 06:31:08 PM »
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  • Maybe not officially suppressed, but it sure is difficult to come by...
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."