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Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
« on: April 19, 2018, 01:50:49 PM »
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  • http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/19/news/companies/starbucks-arrests-philadelphia/index.html

    I notice in the video the one with the "corn rows" is wearing glasses for the TV interviews -- but he wasn't wearing them on the day of his arrest.
    He looked much more like trouble, a gangster, etc. on the day of.

    There isn't as much to be outraged about as the headlines suggest. It's not about his skin color, it's about his identification with the L.A. "gangsta" culture, dressing and looking like Snoop Doggy Dogg or other hardcore gangsta rappers.

    When I saw that he had glasses on, I wanted to see if he was just dressing up to play the upstanding businessman for the cameras. Sure enough, he was!
    (Everyone knows that wearing glasses makes you look smart, bookworm, all about business, etc.)
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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 04:57:31 PM »
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  • If they are thugs, thug language is always going to give it away.  And, they both sound/talk like thugs.  "double locked"?  Who uses that phrase but a thug culture?
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 05:55:27 PM »
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  • It's all in the Protocols.  Get the different races continually riled up against each other as one of the Tribe's divide and conquer tactics.

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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #3 on: April 22, 2018, 09:38:27 PM »
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  • Some years ago I stopped at a fast food restaurant in Houston, Texas. All the employees were black.
    There was a issue of an elderly black man in his 60's came in ordered a meal. Afterwards he stayed
    about a hour after he ate his meal. The black employee came up to him and ordered him to leave and
    he refused.  The cops were called and came in and ordered him to leave or face arrest. The officers
    were black. The elderly black man choose  to leave.
    The elderly black man was using his phone video and recording everything.
    The Houston media all in the hands of the far leftists liberals said nothing about this because it served
    no real purpose since all the parties were black.
    Every restaurant I ever been too has  signs that they have a right to refused service and no loitering.

    The leftist media is always searching for alleged so called examples of "white Racism" and they never
    report on any black on white violent crimes and racism. If a reporter tries to do some honest reporting,
    he gets fired immediately.


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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 02:32:36 AM »
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  • Something similar almost happened to me. I was supposed to meet a group from church to go help at a homeless shelter. Our point of rendez vous was a shopping center near where I lived. I arrived a little early. When the other people arrived so did the police. The shop owners had called the police and gave them my description as some kind of criminal person who was up to no good. We were leaving anyway. 


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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 04:20:37 AM »
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  • StarCucks
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    Crucial omissions/Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 05:34:20 AM »
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  • Some years ago I stopped at a fast food restaurant in Houston, Texas. All the employees were black.  There was a issue of an elderly black man in his 60's [who] came in ordered a meal.  Afterwards he stayed about a hour after he ate his meal.  The black employee came up to him and ordered him to leave and he refused.  The cops were called and came in and ordered him to leave or face arrest.  The officers were black. The elderly black man choose  to leave. [....]

    It's a story missing so many crucial details from CathInfo's witness that it's practically useless to readers trying to figure out whether the order from the employee was objectively reasonable or unreasonable:

    •  Was the elderly man more-or-less-objectively disturbing (to) other customers (e.g., hygiene or behavior)?
    •  Were there potential customers waiting to be seated?
    •  Had he already paid for his meal?
    •  Was he the longest-seated customer who had finished his meal?
    •  Had he been seated at a table that was large enough for several customers, which was newly needed for a not-yet-seated party of that size?
    •  Was it at or closely approaching closing time?

    Perhaps it was the answer(s) to such (a) question(s) that convinced multiple outlets of the local news media that the episode provided them with no story worth reporting.

    Comparable questions would apply to the original posting, but I typically try to avoid replies that Matthew might interpret as personal criticism.  So RC1953 will serve well enough as a substitute.

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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 12:28:43 PM »
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  • Proud to say that I will never have done any business with Starbucks and I will not ever dink any of their coffee.
    I make my own coffee, and it is better than theirs.
    Starbucks support financially through their contributions such as planned parenthood, and other leftist causes.
    It would be a mortal sin for a Catholic to do any business with them.


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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2018, 02:25:16 AM »
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  •  Police body camera footage and telephone recordings captured an incident in which two Native American teenagers were pulled from a Colorado college tour and questioned after another tour member reported "odd" behavior by "creepy kids."
    The camera footage released Friday by Colorado State University shows two police officers searching the teens' pockets and questioning whether they were part of the tour.
    The officers eventually determined that 19-year-old Thomas Kanewakeron Gray and his 17-year-old brother, Lloyd Skanahwati Gray had done nothing wrong and let them go after about five minutes.
    But the incident last Monday has caused an outcry as a case of racial discrimination and prompted the university to apologize and try to make amends.
    The video footage shows the brothers — one wearing a T-shirt and the other a hooded sweatshirt — walking in a group and down a set of stairs when an officer approaches and directs them to step aside, saying he and another officer — who is not visible in the video — are going to check the teens' pockets.
    The younger brother has his hands in his pockets, and police officers ask him to take them out.
    At first, the officer visible in the video asks the Grays short, focused questions, including whether they were part of the tour group and why they didn't "cooperate" when others asked them their names.
    "The reason we stopped you and talked to you is because someone from the group called and said you guys just kind of came into the group," the officer said. "They also said they tried to ask you guys questions and you didn't want to answer questions."
    The older teen quickly responds, explaining that they had arrived late for the tour and that his younger brother is shy. The younger teen offers to retrieve the email confirming their tour reservations.
    "Yeah, yeah, do that, and then we'll get you out of here," the officer shown in the video said.
    The other officer adds: "People were just worried because you guys were real quiet and they didn't know who you were because you guys didn't show up with parents or any of that stuff."
    By then, however, their tour group had moved on without them and the brothers left the campus in Fort Collins, a city of about 160,000 and 65 miles (105 kilometers) north of Denver, and returned home to New Mexico.
    "I think it's pretty discriminatory," Thomas Kanewakeron Gray said Thursday. "Me and my brother just stayed to ourselves the whole time. I guess that was scaring people; that we were just quiet."
    According to a police recording from a woman on the tour that started the incident, the caller told a dispatcher that the teens arrived late in the tour and wouldn't respond to questions about their names or what they wanted to study at the school.
    "They are not, definitely not, a part of the tour," said the woman, identified in a police report as a 45-year-old white woman from Colorado. "And their behavior is just really odd. And I've never called, ever, about anybody. But they joined our tour. They won't give their names."
    The woman also said during the call that the teens were "lying the whole time," but doesn't offer specifics to support the claim, except to say that one of them laughed when she asked what they were studying. She also repeatedly told the dispatcher that her concern could be "completely paranoid" and apologized "if it's nothing."
    "They're probably fine and just creepy kids," she said.
    Other than saying the teens were wearing all black clothing with "dark stuff on it," the caller did not physically describe them until questioned by the dispatcher. She said she believed they were Hispanic, and described their clothing as having a "weird symbolism or wording on it."
    It appears at least one of the brothers was wearing a T-shirt of a death metal band called Cattle Decapitation. On its Facebook page, the band offered the teens "free guest list spots to our shows for life."
    The caller's name was redacted in the police report, along with the teenagers' names.
    The teens' mother, Lorraine Gray, said Friday that she remained infuriated over the incident, and questioned the police handling of it, as well as the caller's decision to report her sons.
    "What do their clothes have to do with anything? Why would you be worried about a person's clothes?" the mother said.
    Gray says one of the officers who questioned her sons later told her in a phone call that maybe the incident would teach the teens to "speak up for themselves" in the future.
    She said the family has received apologetic messages from the university and an offer to return to the school for a VIP tour. However, she said they are not ready to respond, given that she and her sons have not had the opportunity to fully discuss the situation.
    The school also said it would refund the money that the teens spent on travel and take steps to prevent a similar situation from happening again, including the use of lanyards or badges to identify tour guests.
    "Two young men, through no fault of their own, wound up frightened and humiliated because another campus visitor was concerned about their clothes and overall demeanor, which appears to have simply been shyness. The very idea that someone — anyone — might 'look' like they don't belong on a CSU Admissions tour is anathema," university president Tony Frank wrote in an email to students and staff Friday.
    The younger son is a senior at Santa Fe Indian School, which is about a 30-minute drive from the family home and where he stays in a dorm during the week with other Native American students from tribes across the United States.
    The older brother is a student at Northern New Mexico College in Espanola and hoped to transfer.
    The siblings saved until they had enough money to drive the roughly seven hours from the family's home in Santa Cruz, New Mexico, to Fort Collins for the tour.
    The older brother said the school was their first choice, because of its proximity to Denver, where they could attend concerts. The brothers, both Mohawk, are musicians, and study contemporary and traditional music.
    The brothers' ordeal marks the latest in a series of incidences nationwide spotlighting treatment minorities often face in everyday circuмstances, including the arrest of two black men at a Starbucks in Philadelphia who were handcuffed and taken to jail after a worker said they had refused to buy anything or leave.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/native-american-blames-discrimination-campus-ordeal-065405732.html

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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #9 on: May 10, 2018, 02:28:03 AM »
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  •  A white graduate student at Yale called police on a black graduate student who had fallen asleep in a common area of their campus residence — an episode that a dean said shows the need for efforts to make the Ivy League university a more inclusive place.
    Lolade Siyonbola posted two videos of Monday's encounter on her Facebook page, including part of a conversation with the white student who told her she was calling police after finding her on a couch in the room at Yale's Hall of Graduate Studies on the New Haven campus.
    After questioning Siyonbola for more than 15 minutes, police confirmed she was a Yale student who lived in the building and then left. Police told her the encounter was prolonged because her name was not spelled correctly in a database of student information.
    Siyonbola did not immediately respond to emails and messages on social media requesting comment. She expressed gratitude Tuesday on her Facebook page for "the love, kind words and prayers" she has received.
    "Black Yale community is beyond incredible and is taking good care of me," she wrote. "I know this incident is a drop in the bucket of trauma Black folk have endured since Day 1 America, and you all have stories."
    The videos show Siyonbola telling police the woman who called them suffered from mental illness and had called police several months ago on a friend who had gotten lost in a stairwell of the building.
    Siyonbola, who showed police she had a key to her room and later provided them with her ID, accused the officers of harassing her.
    "I deserve to be here," she said in the video. "I paid tuition like everybody else. I am not going to justify my existence here. It's not even a conversation."
    Lynn Cooley, the dean of Yale's graduate school of arts and sciences, sent an email to graduate students Tuesday telling them that Siyonbola had every right to be in the building and inviting them to share their concerns about the incident.
    "Incidents like that of last night remind us of the continued work needed to make Yale a truly inclusive place," she wrote. "I am committed to redoubling our efforts to build a supportive community in which all graduate students are empowered in their intellectual pursuits and professional goals within a welcoming environment."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/09/police-called-on-black-student-sleeping-in-her-yale-dorm.html

    I think that the best solution to this type of situation would be to know your neighbor. 

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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 12:09:23 AM »
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  • The teenage brothers — both shy and Native American — had just entered a recreation center on a tour of their dream university when a parent in the group stepped away to call 911.
    "Their behavior is just really odd," she said from the Colorado State University campus. "They won't give their names .... They just really stand out."
    The teens' quiet disposition and dark clothing were unnerving, the caller told the dispatcher. Campus police responded by pulling them from the tour, patting them down and asking why they didn't "cooperate" when others asked them questions.


    http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article211056074.html

    Usually when we call the police it is because of the loud and obnoxious ones who are causing the trouble, not the quiet ones who are respectful and shy. 


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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #11 on: May 15, 2018, 03:35:15 PM »
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  • Poche,

    A lot of your examples sound like events staged by agitators to draw attention to themselves or hit the jackpot and successfully sue someone.  It's really deception and I think it may fall under "stealing". 

    This case that Matthew is referring to was pretty clearly a staged agitprop attack on a supremely self-righteous and self-serving fast food establishment.  The CEO of Starbucks threw his employees under the bus by taking sides, without investigating first, the veracity of this incident.  That being said, Starbucks is amazingly overpriced coffee - it's a real life enactment of that maxim "A fool and his money are soon parted".

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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #12 on: May 15, 2018, 11:52:08 PM »
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  • Poche,

    A lot of your examples sound like events staged by agitators to draw attention to themselves or hit the jackpot and successfully sue someone.  It's really deception and I think it may fall under "stealing".

    This case that Matthew is referring to was pretty clearly a staged agitprop attack on a supremely self-righteous and self-serving fast food establishment.  The CEO of Starbucks threw his employees under the bus by taking sides, without investigating first, the veracity of this incident.  That being said, Starbucks is amazingly overpriced coffee - it's a real life enactment of that maxim "A fool and his money are soon parted".
    I recognize that there is a pathology of false reporting. I believe that those instances of false reporting should be publicized as false reporting and those who make the false reports should receive the publicity as public liars. I don't think that htat is the case in those instances.   

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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #13 on: May 20, 2018, 11:35:24 PM »
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  • Along the lines of my last post;

    A South Carolina NAACP chapter president who says he was racially profiled during a traffic stop was accused of lying after police released video footage of the encounter, according to reports.
    "Tonight, I was racially profiled by Timmonsville Officer CAUSE I WAS DRIVING A MERCEDES BENZ AND GOING HOME IN A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD," Timmonsville NAACP President Rev. Jerrod Moultrie said in an April 13 Facebook post, according to Fox 5 Atlanta.
    "He made a comment that the officer accused him of having drugs in the car,” Timmonsville Police Chief Billy Brown said, according to the station. “He said that his wife and grandchild was in the car. He asked them not to move because the officer looked as if he might shoot them or something. He also made mention that the officer continued to ask him about his neighborhood. Why was he in that neighborhood? And threaten[ed] to put him in jail in reference to something dealing with the registration to the vehicle."
    Brown told the station that after reviewing the bodycam video of the stop, he determined there was nothing to Moultrie’s claims.
    "When I saw the video, I was shocked that someone who is supposed to be a community leader, a pastor, and head of the NAACP would just come out and tell a blatant lie,” the police chief said. “It bothered me. It really bothered me, thinking about the racial unrest it could've cost in the community and it's just troubling to me that someone who held a position like that would come out and just tell a lie.”
    Based on the body camera footage, the officer who stopped Moultrie neither asked if he had drugs in the car nor why he was driving in the area,” the Raleigh News & Observer reported.
    The paper reported that the officer stopped Moultrie for making a turn without signaling.
    According to the paper, Moultrie’s Facebook post had been deleted.
    Fox 5 quoted a local community activist as saying that he was so upset by Moultrie’s claims that he went to the police department to take a look at the video.
    Timothy Waters of Florence said the video just made him more upset, the station reported.
    "Once I got a copy of that bodycam, it's as if he made the whole story up. And I felt like he set us back 100 years because think about all of the racial profiling cases [that] are true," Waters said.
    The station quoted Moultrie as declining further comment.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/20/naacp-leaders-racial-profiling-claim-challenged-after-bodycam-footage-released.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29

    When a community leader lies in this fashion then he actually helps the bad people who are racially profiling.    

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    Re: Two black men arrested for loitering at Starbucks
    « Reply #14 on: May 21, 2018, 01:55:24 PM »
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  • Poche,

    That South Carolina NAACP Chapter president wasn't accused of lying about racial profiling, he was PROVEN to be lying when the police released the footage.

    Just like the footage of Michael Brown strongarming that store - although the agitators then accused the police of trying to malign the character of Michael Brown.  Which reminds me, we still don't know what the charge was that sent him to that boy's prison-home.

    It's too bad the cop who shot Michael Brown wasn't wearing a body cam because then we wouldn't have to have relied almost entirely on forensic evidence.

    It's also too bad Mr. Zimmerman wasn't wearing a body cam when he shot Trayvon Martin while Trayvon was smashing Mr. Zimmerman's head into the pavement.