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Offline Neil Obstat

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What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
« on: November 22, 2018, 02:09:39 AM »
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    Speaker at a recent Fatima Center conference.
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    Brother Andre Marie - In the World, Not of It: Being Catholic
    amid the New Paganism
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    This new Paganism is so much worse than that of the pagans long ago, because they have apostasized from the Faith after having known Christ.
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    Tammy Jordan

    1 month ago

    What a beautiful world this would be if only it were Catholic.



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    Stacy Homemaker

    Stacy Homemaker

    1 month ago

    That was beautiful. Thank you Brother André.



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    Timothy De Benedetti

    Timothy De Benedetti

    1 month ago

    THIS MAN IS AMAZING!!!! THANK YOU



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    Bach Chopin

    Bach Chopin

    3 weeks ago

    He is also known for strongly defending the traditional understanding of the dogma Outside the church there is absolutely no salvation.



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    Debbie Douglas

    Debbie Douglas

    1 month ago

    Thank you Br. Andre....I will listen to this a few more times.



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    trianamiamor

    trianamiamor

    1 month ago (edited)

    Catholic Polls, Italian,.....

    What a bout Spain.?!

    The single Catholic country that brought about to the entire planet the Catholic faith through missionaries and religious orders founded by Spanish Saints, which in the process of preaching the gospel to to the known cultures of the world, baptizing and making them members of the body of Christ, "His Church."

    By becoming great missionaries not only became great Saints, but also martyrs for the kingdom of Jesus Christ.

    Isn't that worthy of mention.?



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    hamich

    hamich

    1 month ago

    Amen



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    Nancy Johnsen

    Nancy Johnsen

    1 month ago

    In other words: Traditionalism is not to be an ideology, but a genuine identity. "Christian is my name, Catholic is my surname."  Yes!



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    Vaya Condios

    Vaya Condios

    3 weeks ago

    You can tell by how this Blessed Brother speaks, that the Holy spirit is within him and our Lord has chosen him to deliver his message to the world, speaking through his heart.

    Thank You so much, Brother Andre, you truly are a Disciple of our Lord, and our Lord is truly in your heart.

    May God Bless you Brother Andre Marie.



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    Varnashrama Dasa

    Varnashrama Dasa

    1 month ago

    That was indeed beautiful



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    Adrian Yanez

    Adrian Yanez

    1 month ago

    Homerun



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    † In hoc † Signo † Vinces

    † In hoc † Signo † Vinces

    1 week ago

    Thank you Brother Andre, God Bless.







    Elaine McMurren

    Elaine McMurren

    3 weeks ago (edited)

    “Patriotism is a rootedness in a land and its people.”  That is IMPOSSIBLE for Americans because 1)our families have not lived in one place for many generations and 2)four generations have been wrecked by the sexual revolution and many of our elderly are demonically possessed. (As demonstrated by the sodomite maniacs currently gathered in Rome.)







    Isabel Smith

    Isabel Smith

    3 weeks ago

    I found that the book entitled 'The Cries of Jesus from the Cross' from Sophia Institute Press, is really is a small catechism on how to avoid the traps of the enemy, and grow in virtue, always fixing our eyes upon Jesus on the Cross, not on ourselves.







    Diana Torres-browne

    Diana Torres-browne

    1 month ago

    Please provide actual name of the don prosper grange book volume mentioned in 28:30. Thank u.






    TheFatimaCenter

    TheFatimaCenter

    1 month ago

    The Liturgical Year, https://angeluspress.org/products/liturgical-year
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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #1 on: November 22, 2018, 03:22:36 AM »
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  • I listened to the whole presentation. It is a good start. From there they need to go into details in the conflict between the World and Catholicism lived (what he calls traditionalism). Remember, this is a youth conference. Are there other presentations that go into the details? What are some of the details that need addressing today? :

    1) Relationships between boys and girls
    2) Education
    3) Entertainment vs self improvement
    4) Work

    A person can know Guerranger's Liturgical year and the Summa inside and out, and not know how to apply it in this world. For example, a parent who can even lecture on those texts, and yet allows his daughter to "date", to go out by herself with young men.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #2 on: November 24, 2018, 04:16:46 PM »
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  • A person can know Guerranger's Liturgical year and the Summa inside and out

    I know a TradCat semi-home aloner like this who believes he is justified -- and he does do it -- in keeping the Blessed Sacrament reserved in the basement of his home.  He refuses to engage me in any discussion on the subject.  I for one am in complete disagreement with him on this; nevertheless I am open to changing my mind on the if anyone can convince me that this is justified by the tenets of our Catholic faith.

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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #3 on: November 25, 2018, 09:10:56 AM »
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    Brother Andre travels all over the country giving conference presentations like this. He's been doing so for years now. 
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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #4 on: November 25, 2018, 12:16:44 PM »
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  • I know a TradCat semi-home aloner like this who believes he is justified -- and he does do it -- in keeping the Blessed Sacrament reserved in the basement of his home.  He refuses to engage me in any discussion on the subject.  I for one am in complete disagreement with him on this; nevertheless I am open to changing my mind on the if anyone can convince me that this is justified by the tenets of our Catholic faith.

    So, where does he get the Blessed Sacrament?


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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #5 on: November 25, 2018, 12:45:02 PM »
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  • I know a TradCat semi-home aloner like this who believes he is justified -- and he does do it -- in keeping the Blessed Sacrament reserved in the basement of his home.  He refuses to engage me in any discussion on the subject.  I for one am in complete disagreement with him on this; nevertheless I am open to changing my mind on the if anyone can convince me that this is justified by the tenets of our Catholic faith.

    Your position is correct.  That practice was forbidden in the 1917 Code of Canon Law:

    Can. 1265. § 1. Sanctissima Eucharistia, dummodo adsit qui eius curam habeat et regulariter sacerdos semel saltemin hebdomada Missam in sacro loco celebret:
    1.o Custodiri debet in ecclesia cathedrali, in ecclesia principe Abbatiae vel Praelaturae nullius, Vicariatus et Praefecturae Apostolicae, in qualibet ecclesia paroeciali vel quasi-paroeciali et in ecclesia adnexa domuireligiosorum exemptorum sive virorum sive mulierum;
    2.o Custodiri potest, de licentia Ordinarii loci, in ecclesia collegiata et in oratorio principali sive publico sive semi-publico tum domus piae aut religiosae, tum collegii ecclesiastici quod a clericis saecularibus vel a religiosisregatur.
    § 2. Ut in aliis ecclesiis seu oratoriis custodiri possit, necessarium est indultum apostolicum; loci Ordinarius hanc licentiam concedere potest tantummodo ecclesiae aut oratorio publico ex iusta causa et per modum actus.
    § 3. Nemini licet sanctissimam Eucharistiam apud se retinere aut secum in itinere deferre.

    This canon lists all the places that the Blessed Sacrament should or may be reserved.  Other than these, the last point says that nobody is permitted to keep the Blessed Sacrament or carry it around.  In contrast, see the 1983 Code:

    Can.  934 §1. The Most Holy Eucharist:
    1/ must be reserved in the cathedral church or its equivalent, in every parish church, and in a church or oratory connected to the house of a religious institute or society of apostolic life;
    2/ can be reserved in the chapel of the bishop and, with the permission of the local ordinary, in other churches, oratories, and chapels.
    §2. In sacred places where the Most Holy Eucharist is reserved, there must always be someone responsible for it and, insofar as possible, a priest is to celebrate Mass there at least twice a month.
    Can.  935 No one is permitted to keep the Eucharist on one’s person or to carry it around, unless pastoral necessity urges it and the prescripts of the diocesan bishop are observed.

    Note that the modern Code adds the exception "unless pastoral necessity urges it and the prescripts of the diocesan bishop are observed." while the traditional Code simply forbade it.

    Even under the more lax rules of modern Code of Canon Law, your friend would be doing something illicit unless he had permission from a bishop.

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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2018, 12:22:37 AM »
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  • Thanks for posting, Neil. Enjoyed every minute.
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #7 on: December 01, 2018, 10:45:12 AM »
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  • Thanks for posting, Neil. Enjoyed every minute.
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    You're welcome.
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    You can go to the website of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (MICM) and submit your e-mail address to get free newsletters and announcements.
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    Their mission is "The Conversion of America," and these conference lectures that Brother Andre does are perhaps the most prominent aspect of how they carry out this mission. Other activities include but are not limited to: 
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    Re: What is WORLDLINESS? Topic covered by Brother Andre-Marie MICM
    « Reply #8 on: December 01, 2018, 05:08:48 PM »
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    A few days ago, Brother Andre posted a page where he uses this OP video as a starting point while addressing a 3-part study found on Rorate Coeli (the misspelled "Caeli" website).
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    http://catholicism.org/false-theology-of-baptism-and-of-the-world-contradict-the-magisterium.html
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    False Theology of Baptism, and of ‘the World’ Contradict the Magisterium
    NOV 24, 2018  BROTHER ANDRÉ MARIE
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    At Rorate Caeli, Dr. Peter Kwasniewski has published a summary of some of the arguments presented at The Josias by Dr. Thomas Pink. The Rorate summary version is entitled “Thomas Pink on the Significance of the Exorcisms before Baptism.” The original three-part study by Dr. Pink is called “Vatican II and Crisis in the Theology of Baptism,” and is available here:  part 1, part 2, part 3.
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    Further down on this page is an excerpt of the shorter version by Dr. Kwasniewski. Consider what is said here in light of the comments I made at the Fatima Youth conference in the video immediately below. I’ve started the video at the relevant passage, where I discuss the distinction between “the World” and “the Church.” I argue that the traditional distinction has been lost in Catholic thinking, and one of the principal reasons it has been lost is due to the denial of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The points made by Dr. Pink, I believe, only confirm that truth, and help to explain it further in terms of the revolt in what he calls “official theology.”
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    Now here is the passage from Dr. Pink, via Dr. Kwasniewski:

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    If the fallen world—the world of the unconverted and unbaptised—really does lie under the dominion of the devil, then the consequence is clear. The Church cannot really live at peace with the world until it is converted. The Church can no more live at peace with the unconverted world than she can live at peace with the devil. Central to the Church’s relation to the unconverted world must be a commitment to spiritual confrontation, where the only way out of the ensuing spiritual conflict is the world’s conversion.
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    And this is Christ’s own message, who presents his mission as centrally involving conflict between a converted and an unconverted world—between the world of the baptised and the world of the unbaptised—with the mission to baptise as both crystallisation of this conflict, and the only means to victory in it.
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    I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would that it were already kindled! I have a baptism to be baptised with; and how I am constrained until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division[.] Luke 12: 49-51
    Baptism then is not a source of harmony and solidarity with the as yet unconverted world, but precisely in so far as the world is not yet converted, a source of spiritual conflict with it.
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    But what insteadif the dominion of the devil has already, thanks to the coming of Christ, been effectively removed, so that at some eschatological level, even the unconverted world—the world of the unbaptised—is already released from the devil’s power? Perhaps through the coming of Christ the world, though fallen, is already marked, even prior to baptism and incorporation within the visible Church, by a Christianity that, to use the Rahnerian expression, is ‘anonymous’. Even the unconverted world is somehow already released from diabolic dominion and, albeit implicitly rather than explicitly, already committed to the supernatural end. Then the relation of the Church even to the unconverted world need not be one of conflict. Even prior to the world’s conversion the Church’s primary relation to the world can already be one of dialogic harmony.
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    The traditional liturgy of exorcism, in baptisms and in blessings, stands in contradiction to this benign conception of the situation of the unconverted world. It presents the unconverted world as still in the possession of Christ’s and humanity’s deadly enemy. Without the world’s baptism and its conversion, there can be no articles of peace—no stable dialogic harmony. But a benign conception of the unconverted world and of the Church’s relation to it is plainly now dominant in official theology, and the traditional liturgy’s unwelcome contradiction has been comprehensively suppressed. The duty to convert the world is constantly subordinated to the pursuit of harmony with it. This subordination of conversion to dialogic harmony is a central feature of post-conciliar official theology.
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    It seems to me that the propositions and message this short segment contains are hidden for most readers by the complication of the text's grammar, which is not conversational English, but comes off as aloof and obtuse, difficult to grasp. It takes a deliberate, conscious effort to understand what is being said.
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