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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: apollo on May 22, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
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https://www.infowars.com/trump-designates-houses-of-worship-as-essential-orders-us-governors-to-reopen-them-now/ (https://www.infowars.com/trump-designates-houses-of-worship-as-essential-orders-us-governors-to-reopen-them-now/)
US President Donald Trump has declared that churches, ѕуηαgσgυєs and mosques are ‘essential’ establishments. He ordered governors to allow them to reopen immediately, and threatened to override them if they refuse.
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“These are places that hold our society together and keep our people united,” Trump announced at the White House on Friday, adding that it’s “not right” that some states have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics as essential, but mandated that houses of worship remain closed due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
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Any governor that has a problem with this can call the president, but will not find understanding, Trump added. If the governors refuse to allow the houses of worship to reopen immediately, this very weekend, “I will override the governors,” he said.
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Trump’s announcement comes amid reports that religious communities across several states with Democrat governors have complained they are not being allowed to reopen, even as every state has relaxed the coronavirus quarantines to at least some extent by now.
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Both Catholics and Lutherans in Minnesota, for example, appealed to Governor Tim Walz this week to relax the lockdown and signaled they would begin congregating in defiance of his orders.
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Lockdown-favoring governors have pointed to the fact that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had not issued guidelines for houses of worship, prompting Trump to order the CDC to do so on Friday.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-announces-that-houses-of-worship-are-essential-calls-on-governors-to-open-them-up (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-announces-that-houses-of-worship-are-essential-calls-on-governors-to-open-them-up)
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Another excellent decision by President Trump. Still further reason - President Trump courageously standing between NWO goons and thugs trying to establish a totalitarian one world government, and sinfully subjugate the Church to the State - for Americans to vote for President Trump's re-election come November 2020.
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NWO goons and thugs trying to [...] sinfully subjugate the Church to the State
LOL
As if the Church wasn't "sinfully subjugated" by all states of the so called "Free World" ever since the French revolution and the foundation of the U.S.A.
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My question is:
Did he really do it because he believes churches are essential (after having allowed them to be considered non-essential for months)
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Did he do it because he wanted to maintain the appearance of governmental authority after he saw the Catholic bishops of Minnesota reassert their rights, and thereby prevent that example from inspiring a more widespread shirking of illegitimate governmental arrogation of power in other areas of society?
I think the latter, not just because his reasons were the same ones adduced by the bishops one day earlier, but also because, as all students of the Vatican II revolution know, this is precisely what happened with the conciliar popes and bishops after the Council:
Confronted by a deluge of heresies and heretics, the hierarchy approved many lamentable measures just to maintain the aura of authority (when in fact all it did was ratify what the modernists were determined to teach with or without hierarchical support).
Just look what happened when Paul VI affirmed the merely semi-traditional Humanae Vitae:
Worldwide rebellion.
Same thing here:
Trump merely wanted to avoid his own Humanae Vitae moment.
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1. Did he really do it because he believes churches are essential (after having allowed them to be considered non-essential for months)
2. Did he do it because he wanted to maintain the appearance of governmental authority after he saw the Catholic bishops of Minnesota reassert their rights ... ?
Very good question Sean.
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My question is:
Did he really do it because he believes churches are essential (after having allowed them to be considered non-essential for months)
Taking into consideration
his strong stand for God and for nationhood at the demonic U.N.,
and his strong stand for God and "Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior" every Christmas,
and his strong stand against PP,
and his being the ONLY president to attend the D.C. Pro-life march on Jan 22,
and the flack he will take from the media,
I think his action is genuine.
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I think trump always saw the shutdowns as pretty silly (we see signs of this) and certainly he never believed in semi permanent shutdown like the leftists do. I also think he understands church has a necessary societal role. I don’t believe, of course, that he’s an integralist or that he holds to Catholic social teaching
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and his strong stand against PP,
I have heard the claim that in 2018, planned parenthood received more federal funding than in any previous year, over 600 Million dollars. Do not know if this is true. I have also heard people claim that Trump is defunding PP. Don't know where the truth is, though it seems to me that the Republicans claim to be pro-life, and because of this we are supposed to loyally vote for them every election, but never do much to actually make abortion illegal. If they are truthfully not pro-life and only pretend to be for the conservative vote, then it would seem that they are no better than the Democrats, and perhaps worse because they would be hypocrites.
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Honestly, I expect the Democrats to round me up and throw me into the FEMA camp and the Republicans to lock the gate behind me and serve as the guards.
I mean a hundred years ago Chesterton told us that the liberals are going about destroying society and the conservatives are there to make sure none of the wounds are ever healed. Perhaps it was a joke but I find it to be true. And now a century later, does anyone think it is getting any better than it was back then?
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Trump is all part of this psyop which is test run for what is to come. Now that (((they)) got their results on how Americans would react to their inalienable rights being taken away from them, Trump is given the green light to open churches. The sheeple fall for it. They think they have an ally with Trump in the White House. Trump is controlled opposition. He's deceiving you. No friend of truth and justice can come from a man who pardons a 9/11 insider, Bernard Kerik (former NYC police chief), with direct ties to Israel. Same police chief, Bernard Kerik, visited Israel weeks before 9/11 and received a huge payout under the guise of a "loan".
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Trump is all part of this psyop which is test run for what is to come. Now that (((they)) got their results on how Americans would react to their inalienable rights being taken away from them, Trump is given the green light to open churches. The sheeple fall for it. They think they have an ally with Trump in the White House. Trump is controlled opposition. He's deceiving you. No friend of truth and justice can come from a man who pardons a 9/11 insider, Bernard Kerik (former NYC police chief), with direct ties to Israel. Same police chief, Bernard Kerik, visited Israel weeks before 9/11 and received a huge payout under the guise of a "loan".
I don't think this whole fraudulent pandemic is a test run for what is to come, I think it is plain and simple, conditioning, otherwise called "the new normal" by the demonic media. Regardless of why the president did it, I was glad to hear him say it makes no sense to be able to get an abortion and buy booze but going to church was not allowed, and that we need more prayer not less - *finally* someone said it.
I think some day, perhaps much sooner than we all suspect, all of us will be sitting ducks at our "places of worship." For our part, we should be praying for the courage to die for Our Lord defending the priest and Mass and all that is sacred when they come barging in to take us away.
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Taking into consideration
his strong stand for God and for nationhood at the demonic U.N.,
and his strong stand for God and "Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior" every Christmas,
and his strong stand against PP,
and his being the ONLY president to attend the D.C. Pro-life march on Jan 22,
and the flack he will take from the media,
I think his action is genuine.
" Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."- Mt 7:20
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some states have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics as essential,
Ironically how one can lead to the other. ::)
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Trump is all part of this psyop which is test run for what is to come. Now that (((they)) got their results on how Americans would react to their inalienable rights being taken away from them, Trump is given the green light to open churches. The sheeple fall for it. They think they have an ally with Trump in the White House. Trump is controlled opposition. He's deceiving you. No friend of truth and justice can come from a man who pardons a 9/11 insider, Bernard Kerik (former NYC police chief), with direct ties to Israel. Same police chief, Bernard Kerik, visited Israel weeks before 9/11 and received a huge payout under the guise of a "loan".
I don't think DT is really part of the psyop as much as being compelled somewhat to play along with it.
Trump kind of called it out as nonsense from the beginning but was immediately attacked, surrounded and circled by so-called medical "experts" who were supposedly advising and leading him into making the right calls in order to save "millions" of lives due to the covert-19 crisis. This was certainly a calculated planned-demic for not only regime change in the U.S. but a systematic transformation of ideas and govt's across the globe. The oligarchs and internationalists were reeling due to nationalistic fervor and policies all over the world and they were not happy with this as it was interrupting their plans.
I think one needs to look deeper into what's going on.
It's not Trump, Putin or even Xi all part of this master plan but are more or less pawns being caught up into this demonic worldwide movement to de-humanize humanity and force this collective globalization to eradicate nations and governments and religions and any other worldview that act as an impediment to their agenda.This was all about timing as well and they felt they had to act now before Trump got rolling into the election and had another 4 years to create such a economic and military powerhouse the world has ever seen. they cannot have nations being this strong and independent which is a direct threat to their globalization and NWO plans.
Trump opening up the churches now is not so much as exposing him as part of the system or some "plan" but an indictment on the Catholic bishops and other religious leaders who were all too ready to roll over like collective sheep to the whims of the almighty state, never once really questioning or opposing their Masses or "services" coming to immediate halt.
Actually, here in NY, the bishops shut the Mass down before the state implemented the "Lockdown".
That should tell you something.
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Regardless of why the president did it, I was glad to hear him say it makes no sense to be able to get an abortion and buy booze but going to church was not allowed, and that we need more prayer not less - *finally* someone said it.
It's all words and no action, at least, up to this point. Trump could have brought good out of this deception ("pandemic") by issuing an executive order closing down baby-murder mills, thus saving lives and souls until the "pandemic" is over, but he balked again. Trump is all talk and no action.
"By their fruits you will know them"
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It's all words and no action, at least, up to this point. Trump could have brought good out of this deception ("pandemic") by issuing an executive order closing down baby-murder mills, thus saving lives and souls until the "pandemic" is over, but he balked again. Trump is all talk and no action.
"By their fruits you will know them"
At least he's not Obama. That's all I got to say.
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Wow... Trump defends Churches and ѕуηαgσgυєs! :popcorn:
It reminds me of a monthly Medjugorje apparition statement:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmysticpost.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F06%2F37-Add-subheading.png&f=1&nofb=1)
"My children... please be good"
What about Trump's message mobilizing the US military to force vaccines down our throats?
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Most churches didn’t fight because they are getting money.
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President Trump has done great work. All American Catholics should feel obliged to support and vote for him.
Trump has appointed 200 judges and 2 Supreme Court Justices in 4 years. If he's given 4 years more, he will appoint 400 judges and likely 4 Supreme Court Justices.
It's game over for the liberals at that point. Remember that these are pro-life, conservative, YOUNG Judges. They will shape America's judicial future for decades. 4 more years of President Trump will be a very great victory for all Catholics and pro-lifers. President Trump is solid and worth supporting.
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It's all words and no action, at least, up to this point. Trump could have brought good out of this deception ("pandemic") by issuing an executive order closing down baby-murder mills, thus saving lives and souls until the "pandemic" is over, but he balked again. Trump is all talk and no action.
"By their fruits you will know them"
Sorry, I forgot the part of the Trump campaign where he said he would close down all the abortion mills.
Can you please enlighten me? thanks in advance.
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Wow... Trump defends Churches and ѕуηαgσgυєs! :popcorn:
It reminds me of a monthly Medjugorje apparition statement:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmysticpost.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F06%2F37-Add-subheading.png&f=1&nofb=1)
"My children... please be good"
What about Trump's message mobilizing the US military to force vaccines down our throats?
Don't forget the Mosques!
US President Donald Trump has declared that churches, ѕуηαgσgυєs and mosques are ‘essential’ establishments. He ordered governors to allow them to reopen immediately, and threatened to override them if they refuse.
Allah Akbar!!
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Most churches didn’t fight because they are getting money.
Take the shekels, get the shackles.
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Sorry, I forgot the part of the Trump campaign where he said he would close down all the abortion mills.
Can you please enlighten me? thanks in advance.
"muh 4D chess player" ..... BALKS at the perfect opportunity to close down baby-murder mills (even only temporarily but still saving lives & potentially souls) under the guise of containing the spread of the virus
Learn to think, McFly.
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Trump has one foot on the Right and the other on the Left.
He talks out of the right side of his mouth and does a few good
things, to keep his ratings up.
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He chooses people from the swamp to be his advisors and
destroys the US economy and ruins millions of people's lives.
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The Church decision is coming from the right side of his mouth.
He talks about opening up America, but opens up only the
Churches.
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Out of the left side of his mouth we get:
"We're going to deploy the military to deliver the vaccine".
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From the left side of his brain, he chose a Corona Virus Task Force
from the SWAMP. And here is the bottom line on Trump ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EGhBy8EqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EGhBy8EqE)
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Do you want a president who opens your church and stabs you
in the arm with a vaccine and destroys your employment ?
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President Trump has done great work. All American Catholics should feel obliged to support and vote for him.
Trump has appointed 200 judges and 2 Supreme Court Justices in 4 years. If he's given 4 years more, he will appoint 400 judges and likely 4 Supreme Court Justices.
It's game over for the liberals at that point. Remember that these are pro-life, conservative, YOUNG Judges. They will shape America's judicial future for decades. 4 more years of President Trump will be a very great victory for all Catholics and pro-lifers. President Trump is solid and worth supporting.
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"muh 4D chess player" ..... BALKS at the perfect opportunity to close down baby-murder mills (even only temporarily but still saving lives & potentially souls) under the guise of containing the spread of the virus
Learn to think, McFly.
Easy Biff, I don't believe that it's as simple as you believe to shut it down overnight. That would precipitate an unprecedented attack, more than that's already in the works now with the planned-demic under the guise of "safety" of all the young women dying from back-alley abortions while this heartless president took the opportunity to push his own beliefs in the middle of a global "pandemic". Not too mention the cries of "freedom" and wymyn's "right" to choose being trampled on at the worst of all times. I can hear all the wailing and kvetching now from the top Jєω lawyers in the country clamoring for another impeachment and removing of the president violating the Constitution as well as the state's soverignty on this issue. Of course this issue is the only one they would be concerned about, while the Constitution is being trampled on as we speak.
Anyway, like I said, I don't believe abortion was the number one issue Orangeman ran on in his campaign to begin with. but he's been about the best president for fighting it that we've seen in the last 50yrs or so and the best ally the pro life movement can possibly hope for at the moment. The last thing we need is to give them a reason to run him out of office prematurely in making rash decisions. Donald Trump is against the radical world right now, he has to make the smart moves and not let them trap him with our own laws. And remember, while we believe that Trump has the same beliefs and values as us, he's NOT a traditionalist Catholic. Do not expect too much from him, you will be disappointed.
You have to step out of your trad Catholic safety sphere and understand how he has to maneuver.
This is chess not checkers, Biff.
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Easy Biff, I don't believe that it's as simple as you believe to shut it down overnight. That would precipitate an unprecedented attack, more than that's already in the works now with the planned-demic under the guise of "safety" of all the young women dying from back-alley abortions while this heartless president took the opportunity to push his own beliefs in the middle of a global "pandemic". Not too mention the cries of "freedom" and wymyn's "right" to choose being trampled on at the worst of all times. I can hear all the wailing and kvetching now from the top Jєω lawyers in the country clamoring for another impeachment and removing of the president violating the Constitution as well as the state's soverignty on this issue. Of course this issue is the only one they would be concerned about, while the Constitution is being trampled on as we speak.
You're essentially condoning aligning oneself with the world at the expense of innocent live and souls. You're more worried about what other people think than what God thinks of your soul.
"Muh 4D chess player"
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You're essentially condoning aligning oneself with the world at the expense of innocent live and souls. You're more worried about what other people think than what God thinks of your soul.
"Muh 4D chess player"
I haven't condoned anything. I merely made an observation based on the facts concerning Trump, abortion and the fact that he's not a traditionalist Catholic. I am certainly not "worried" about what other people think, including you as it pertains to what God will one day judge me and my actions in this life and the destiny of my soul.
I don't play 4d chess, but you keep propping up your strawmen. Good luck with that.
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We know from the DR Bible what happened two thousand years ago when Our Lord stood before Herod.
Look at the sacrilegious picture and ask yourself would He really do this today with DT??
Welcome to the Outer Limits :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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President Trump may not be perfect but he does try to do what is right. He has done more for the pro-life movement than any other President we have ever had.
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We know from the DR Bible what happened two thousand years ago when Our Lord stood before Herod.
Look at the sacrilegious picture and ask yourself would He really do this today with DT??
Welcome to the Outer Limits :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Yeah... Our Lord is in the Oval Office, along with rabbi Kushner and JFK Jr (Q).
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