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Offline Ladislaus

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On Fasting, Penances, and Self-Denial
« on: March 05, 2025, 07:35:41 PM »
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  • I published a quick post on my Substack, as we enter Lent about how we can be vigilant against pride and self-will intruding into any fasting, penances, and other forms of self-denial that we might intend to undertake over and above that required by the Church.  When we just obey the Church, we're submitting our wills to the Church, but when we undertake various things on our own initiative, there's a very real danger that the motivation might be SELF-will and pride, potentially causing more harm than good to our souls.  Normally, the way to avoid this would be to submit to a spiritual director, but few have access to good, experienced, wise, and orthodox directors, where even among Traditional Catholics we often have priests who simply fly in for the weekend as Sacramental "vending machines" (an apt term coined by ElwinRansom here) and then scurry off for the next one.  So I propose that if we do undertake penances that we make sure that our primary motivation is that of charity, of love for souls, rather than our own self-improvement, betterment, and advancement in the spiritual life.

    https://vladsarto.substack.com/p/on-fasting-penances-and-self-denial

    Offline ElwinRansom1970

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    Re: On Fasting, Penances, and Self-Denial
    « Reply #1 on: March 05, 2025, 08:14:33 PM »
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  • I cannot take credit for the term "sacramental vending machine" as I heard it used many years ago. I do not remember where I heard the experession and who said it to give proper attribution.

    Regarding the temptation to spiritual pride as can be manifested through personal penances beyond those mandated by the Church, this spiritual pride is to be found in various heretical movements. Here I am thinking specifically of autosanctification in crude Pelagianism, of the occult mysteries of Gnosticism, and of the dualist asceticism amongst Cathars.
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
    Nicolás Gómez Dávila


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    Re: On Fasting, Penances, and Self-Denial
    « Reply #2 on: March 05, 2025, 09:02:20 PM »
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  • Yes, obedience is typically the antidote ... except very few of us laymen have access to spiritual directors these days.

    I believe that Tertullian, and one or two of the other Church Fathers, e.g. Origen, also split off from the Church by becoming excessively rigorous, elevating various things that might be evangelical counsels into obligatory practices.

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    Re: On Fasting, Penances, and Self-Denial
    « Reply #3 on: March 05, 2025, 09:12:43 PM »
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  • Based article 
    "Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you." St. Matthew 11:28 

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    Re: On Fasting, Penances, and Self-Denial
    « Reply #4 on: March 06, 2025, 06:48:51 AM »
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    Thanks.  I'd like to write more about the intrusion of subtle pride.  There's the irony that if we think we're being humble, we may be taking subtle pride in our humility but as soon as we notice ourselves being proud, we humble ourselves due to the pride.

    Our Lord describes holiness as series of paradoxes, where the last shall be first, and those who seek their life will lose it.  After Our Lord explained that the last shall be first, how many then are tempted to seek the last place ... but only with a secret hope that they'll be called up to the front.

    Reminds me of that old series of commercials with Bob Eucker going to the "front row".