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Offline mcollier

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Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
« on: April 03, 2018, 05:44:14 AM »
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  • Good morning:

    I am gearing up to homeschool. I am strongly considering using the Trivium and Quadrivium as the foundation.

    What do you think? 

    Is there a good resource for the materials to get started?

    Any practical tips on how to actually do this will help us a great deal. (Or if you recommend another curriculum/approach).

    Also any recommendations for homeschooling co-ops (or other resources/groups) in driving range of Philadelphia. (If there are any of any value)...

    Thank you. Happy Easter! God bless



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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 10:54:43 AM »
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  • The best outline for how to do it that I have ever seen is The Well Trained Mind. But she is a Protestant so you have to choose other publishers for some of the material. Another on is Designing Your Own Classical Curriculum. She is NO Catholic.  Both can appear overwhelming on the surface but start small and stick with reading, writing, and mathematics and then add subjects as you get the hang of it.  It is a much more labor intensive method, but well worth it.  Another resource is the Charlotte Mason method.  There is lots of info online and I think there is a “Catholic” Charlotte Mason group online too. 


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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 11:27:11 AM »
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  • Our Lady of the Rosary and Seton are catholic curriculum all set up programs ready to go.

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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 01:34:42 PM »
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  • I liked The Latin-Centered Curriculum: A Home Schooler's Guide to the Classical Curriculum.  While not explicitly traditional Catholic, I found it trad-compatible.

    The publisher, Memoria Press  https://www.memoriapress.com/ , also has a Latin program I like.  This site has a section on articles you may find helpful.




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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #4 on: April 03, 2018, 01:54:26 PM »
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  • Another book that is interesting is The Trivium by Sister Miriam Joseph.  This is more about education theory than a practical guide for home schoolers, but it is a pre-Vatican II resource.


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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 02:16:30 PM »
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  • Our Lady of the Rosary and Seton are catholic curriculum all set up programs ready to go.
    But they do not use the classical approach.  They each have some good books, but overall, to understand the theory of a classical education I think TWTM does the best job of explaining it.
    Once someone understands the theory there are tons of websites to help with the nitty gritty of planning and sourcing materials.

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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #6 on: April 03, 2018, 02:44:01 PM »
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  • But they do not use the classical approach.  They each have some good books, but overall, to understand the theory of a classical education I think TWTM does the best job of explaining it.
    Once someone understands the theory there are tons of websites to help with the nitty gritty of planning and sourcing materials.
    I don't think that The Well Trained Mind does that good a job of explaining the theory.  The author's main interest is history (most of her other books are about history) and she ends up promoting a history-heavy curriculum. 
    If one's goal is imitate the education techniques of the classical period, then the main focus should be language.  The trivium part of a classical education - grammar, logic, and rhetoric - is about mastering language.  And the ideal language to study, especially for Catholics, is Latin.  

    While TWTM does recommend Latin materials, it does not make Latin the focus as classical education should.  Here is an article on classical education that shows what I mean: https://www.memoriapress.com/articles/what-classical-education-1/

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     The liberal arts include grammar, logic, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, astronomy, and music. These are the generalizable intellectual skills that you use no matter what subject you are studying or what you do.

    The Trivium consists of the first three of these. The first was grammar, which was the study of the structure of language, and this was studied by learning a language (preferably and inflected language—one which required a knowledge of the noun cases) other than your own, usually Latin and Greek. Logic was the study of the structure and rules of rational thought, and this was done by studying the Aristotelian system of traditional logic. Rhetoric was the study of the rules of persuasion, and this was done by focusing on writers such as Aristotle, the great theoretician of rhetoric, Quintilian, the great teacher of rhetoric, and Cicero, the great practitioner of rhetoric. You would also study St. Augustine, who used the skills he learned from these great thinkers to articulate Christian truths.

    The Quadrivium (the last four of the seven liberal arts) consists of arithmetic (the study of discrete number), geometry (the study of continuous number), music (the application of discrete number), astronomy (the application of continuous number).

    The Trivium consisted of the arts of language, and the Quadrivium, the arts of mathematics. The first was qualitative, and the second quantitative. Together they were considered to equip a thinker to approach any other subject.

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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #7 on: April 03, 2018, 03:52:25 PM »
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  • MemoriaPress is a good resource.

    Might check out The Institute for Excellence in Writing.(IEW.com)

    There's also CLassicalWriting.com (I like IEW better)

    Math.. RightStartMath.com (5 stars!)

    Great spelling program.. Spell to Write and Read (SWR)... geared for homeschooling.

    You'll also find Cursive First recommended with the SWR.

    Happy Easter!


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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #8 on: April 03, 2018, 07:47:59 PM »
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  • Thank you. Very helpful. 

    God bless! 

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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 01:20:18 AM »
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  • MemoriaPress is a good resource.
    Yes, especially for Latin geared toward young students. If you're looking for Classical, you'll like many of their products.

    Might check out The Institute for Excellence in Writing.(IEW.com)
    I love IEW!
    Side note: I knew Mr. Pudewa was Catholic when he included Mary Fabyan Windeatt in his poetry program, but found out last week that he, at some point in the past, relocated in order to be closer to a Latin Mass.


    Math.. RightStartMath.com (5 stars!)
    This is what we use. I won't rate it as we've never used anything else, but it gets the job done and no one here dislikes math.


    I taught print and cursive simultaneously with my last two K students. It seemed to work pretty well, tough I haven't yet required either of them to write in cursive apart from their copy work.


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    Re: Trivium and Quadrivium Homeschooling
    « Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 12:25:22 PM »
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    I love IEW!
    Side note: I knew Mr. Pudewa was Catholic when he included Mary Fabyan Windeatt in his poetry program, but found out last week that he, at some point in the past, relocated in order to be closer to a Latin Mass.
    This is my favourite writing program too, but I had no idea that Mr. Pudewa was Catholic.  I am pleased to learn that he makes it a priority to attend a Latin Mass.