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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2018, 09:46:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on July 04, 2018, 09:39:20 AM
    Oh, yeah, you're mad because I called out your weight struggles, but you refuse to abstain from the oils, fats and excess dead flesh.

    Not, I'm simply calling you out for being an immature fool.  You've never seen me.  Evidently the lack of healthy fats and oils in your diet have caused mental and emotional disabilities ... which you have manifested for all to see.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #76 on: July 04, 2018, 09:48:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on July 04, 2018, 09:39:20 AM
    Nah, brah.

    You're saying that because you're mad at me for calling out your heresy & idiocy in saying "God is not a Catholic God", and for destroying your illogical posit that even righteous men must be forced to provide material support for their harlot wives who "divorce" them. You simply couldn't come up with a good counter to my analogy of Lucifer revolting in Heaven, but God wasn't accountable or to blame for it. You tried semantic slithery, but it failed, too.

    In both cases you mention above, I was simply making logical distinctions, something that's foreign to you.  Distinctions are not semantics.  You might want to spend less time in the gym and more time educating yourself.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #77 on: July 05, 2018, 12:46:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: SusanneT on July 04, 2018, 02:51:22 AM
    In principle I agree but I don’t think it is so much age as circuмstance.  God did not intend women of any age to be without protection and guidance. A daughter should generally remain under her family until she either marries or joins a religious order.  
    In an ideal world, yes. Our Lord and Our Lady are my protection and guidance. But when it comes down to practical application in this life, I have to protect and guide myself.  If that makes me a feminist, so be it.  
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #78 on: July 05, 2018, 02:13:38 AM »
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    • Many a Girls' night ( or boys)night out at a restaurant or bar along with alcohol ended with divorce.  

    Going out with husband is one thing.  

    ( I remember girls night out.  It was the married ones who were messing around. ).  And most get together and complain about their husbands and children.  



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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #79 on: July 05, 2018, 09:37:03 AM »
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    • They must not have been Trad Catholics. I've never heard of Trad Catholics "messing around."

    I've also only heard of one divorce in the past 20 years amongst my Trad peers.

    I've also never heard my wife say anyone complains aboit their husbands.


    I'm  pretty sure the ladies here will disagree with your assertion. 

    The Trad wives I've known are a hardworking, responsible bunch who deserve an evening off. Why you would suggest that they act like worldly working women seems odd to me. 
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #80 on: July 05, 2018, 09:40:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on July 05, 2018, 12:46:47 AM
    In an ideal world, yes. Our Lord and Our Lady are my protection and guidance. But when it comes down to practical application in this life, I have to protect and guide myself.  If that makes me a feminist, so be it.  
    No one objects to a single woman taking care of herself, if she has no responsible parent or  husband to do so.
    However, no Trad Catholic woman worth her salt proudly calls herself "feminist."
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #81 on: July 05, 2018, 10:12:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 05, 2018, 09:37:03 AM
    They must not have been Trad Catholics. I've never heard of Trad Catholics "messing around."

    I've also only heard of one divorce in the past 20 years amongst my Trad peers.

    I've also never heard my wife say anyone complains aboit their husbands.


    I'm  pretty sure the ladies here will disagree with your assertion.

    The Trad wives I've known are a hardworking, responsible bunch who deserve an evening off. Why you would suggest that they act like worldly working women seems odd to me.
    I have never gone out to complain about my kids or husband. That is just me personally, but i will say my mom tribe will talk about what frustrates us. We do it in a safe environment where no one mentions divorce, what we can do to get back at them, only positive encouragement. You need supportive friends to sound things off of sometimes. Kids are frustrating, and to be honest I don’t want to sit there talking my husbands ear off about tiny things. That’s what mom friends are for.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #82 on: July 05, 2018, 10:16:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 05, 2018, 09:40:57 AM
    No one objects to a single woman taking care of herself, if she has no responsible parent or  husband to do so.
    However, no Trad Catholic woman worth her salt proudly calls herself "feminist."
    Nor do good Trad Catholics raise their daughters to go to college to become worldly professionals while considering themselves anti-feminism.   Colleges are cesspools of immorality and the temptation to carry on with a career that almost demands the use of contraceptives is a given.  Some women make it through, but the vast majority fall in line.  Encouraging one's daughter to the near occasion of sin is wrong.  With short term trade schools myriad, there is little reason to even consider college for a Catholic girl.  "Getting ahead" is a bad philosophy parents visit on their kids these days.  Many do not get ahead anyway; they become indebted to the system as they lose their morals.     
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #83 on: July 05, 2018, 10:58:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on July 05, 2018, 10:16:00 AM
    Nor do good Trad Catholics raise their daughters to go to college to become worldly professionals while considering themselves anti-feminism.   Colleges are cesspools of immorality and the temptation to carry on with a career that almost demands the use of contraceptives is a given.  Some women make it through, but the vast majority fall in line.  Encouraging one's daughter to the near occasion of sin is wrong.  With short term trade schools myriad, there is little reason to even consider college for a Catholic girl.  "Getting ahead" is a bad philosophy parents visit on their kids these days.  Many do not get ahead anyway; they become indebted to the system as they lose their morals.    
    That this would get a thumbs down shows feminists lurking here.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #84 on: July 05, 2018, 11:56:18 AM »
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    • Lots of them.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #85 on: July 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 03, 2018, 08:22:43 AM
    Worse, if you think your daughter wanting to go be a scientist and not have kids is okay, YOU ARE A FEMINIST.
    If you think all women are called to biological motherhood, you're Lutheran.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #86 on: July 05, 2018, 12:47:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on July 05, 2018, 10:16:00 AM
    Nor do good Trad Catholics raise their daughters to go to college to become worldly professionals while considering themselves anti-feminism.   Colleges are cesspools of immorality and the temptation to carry on with a career that almost demands the use of contraceptives is a given.  Some women make it through, but the vast majority fall in line.  Encouraging one's daughter to the near occasion of sin is wrong.  With short term trade schools myriad, there is little reason to even consider college for a Catholic girl.  "Getting ahead" is a bad philosophy parents visit on their kids these days.  Many do not get ahead anyway; they become indebted to the system as they lose their morals.    
    I'm not sure why this would be downvoted. It is spot on. I think there are many mothers here who are my age that could personally attest to this. I went to college before converting and somehow escaped the debauchery, but my head was pumped full of all sorts of progressive, liberal ideas. I think women are particularly vulnerable to being gullible in these types of environments. Young, single women just out of highschool still need the protection of their fathers at home, or a husband and children to devote themselves to. Or a convent.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #87 on: July 05, 2018, 12:50:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: jen51 on July 05, 2018, 12:47:35 PM
    I'm not sure why this would be downvoted. It is spot on. I think there are many mothers here who are my age that could personally attest to this. I went to college before converting and somehow escaped the debauchery, but my head was pumped full of all sorts of progressive, liberal ideas. I think women are particularly vulnerable to being gullible in these types of environments. Young, single women just out of highschool still need the protection of their fathers at home, or a husband and children to devote themselves to. Or a convent.
    Yes, this is my experience of university too.  It was very bad for me spiritually.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #88 on: July 05, 2018, 01:01:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on July 05, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
    If you think all women are called to biological motherhood, you're Lutheran.

    I have been wondering about this as well. Surely not all women are called to motherhood. The Church allows for women to have a religious vocation, but do you happen to know if the Church allows for something in-between motherhood and being a religious?

    I suppose a young woman could live with her parents and maybe start her own business or something like that, if she's not called in either direction. 

    My mother's side of the family a couple of generations back were Puritans since the original pilgrims at Plymouth, MA. They definitely believed that all women were called to be married. The Mormons, for the most part, do too.
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    virginity a vocation
    « Reply #89 on: July 05, 2018, 01:10:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 05, 2018, 01:01:26 PM
    do you happen to know if the Church allows for something in-between motherhood and being a religious?
    Yes, virginity is a vocation.

    Today, a virgin can become a consecrated virgin as well, by making a public vow of virginity:
    In 1927 the Holy See forbade public vows of virginity apart from entering a religious institute (AAS 19 (1927) 138), but the '83 Code reinstated it (Can. 604 on the "order of virgins"); the privilege was granted in other eras of Church history, too.
    cf. The Mystery of Love for the Single by Fr. Unger, O.F.M. Cap. (1958) ch. 5 and this blog by a consecrated virgin.
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