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Offline Smedley Butler

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Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2018, 01:10:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: SusanneT on July 03, 2018, 12:44:46 PM
    There is nothing wrong with a girl deciding that marriage is not for her,  choosing a religious vocation, or one in the wider service of Our Lord and a commitment to lifelong purity.

    But for the majority who choose marriage, motherhood must always be seen as the nature fulfilment of God’s purpose of a woman’s life.

    It is for mothers to teach their daughters that these vocations are the only ones open to a Godly woman and that both require modesty, chastity and sacrifice.

    A mother who teaches otherwise is a feminist.
    Exactly. 
    I'm not talking about Trads teaching about relgious vocations.
    I'm talking about Trads ENCOURAGING college/job over motherhood, in contradiction to your Sunday sermons. And then worse, being proud that their daughter is "smart" and chose science/work. 
    I'm talking about Trads wearing pants all week and letting their girls do this in contradiction to Sunday sermons and the sign on the chapel door.
    Might as well toss their veils and go back to the Novus Ordo. 
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #46 on: July 03, 2018, 01:11:51 PM »
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    • What is up with girls night out among trad women?  It seems to be the trend.  Who is watching the children?   

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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #47 on: July 03, 2018, 01:12:48 PM »
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      I can't imagine her wearing pants if her husband objected.  
    She should avoid men’s attire because THE CHURCH and OUR LORD objects to contra-natural clothes.  If women don’t recognize this fact, they need to.  Otherwise, her views on clothing are feminized.  
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #48 on: July 03, 2018, 01:24:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 03, 2018, 01:12:48 PM
    She should avoid men’s attire because THE CHURCH and OUR LORD objects to contra-natural clothes.  If women don’t recognize this fact, they need to.  Otherwise, her views on clothing are feminized.  
    Feminized?
    I think you meant "feminist. "
    A woman is feminist if she doesn't know why she ought not wear pants.  And she's not listening on Sunday. 
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #49 on: July 03, 2018, 01:27:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 03, 2018, 01:11:51 PM
    What is up with girls night out among trad women?  It seems to be the trend.  Who is watching the children?  
    The husband is. 
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Wives also deserve a break from their work to have a cocktail with friends and talk.
    We're Catholic,  not Baptist or Amish.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #50 on: July 03, 2018, 02:06:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 03, 2018, 01:11:51 PM
    What is up with girls night out among trad women?  It seems to be the trend.  Who is watching the children?  
    My husband, their father. Because I deserve a break too. It’s also helpful for our marriage because I tend to get “touched out” by my kids. So, I need time to decompress for him. He understands because he gets the same way.
    Happenby, I completely agree on remaining celibate, but stepping up to the plate if a baby comes along (which it most likely will if not being celibate). God may send children to straighten parents out, but these days parents don’t get the message. I’ve noticed some women just can’t wrap their heads around what the job actually is. I still am stating again I Absolutely am not promoting any form of birth control.  
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #51 on: July 03, 2018, 04:40:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 03, 2018, 01:11:51 PM
    What is up with girls night out among trad women?  It seems to be the trend.  Who is watching the children?  
    Why does someone dislike a question?  
    I can't answer your question because I've never heard of chapels having girls' night out.  Bars and nightclubs used to have ladies nights, but that was back in my early college days.  I didn't go because I wasn't involved with the collegiate social life.  Maybe the Catholic version is for women to eat out at a restaurant?   This must be in places where people are well off and or they have no children or they are grown.  My mother sometimes eats lunch at the senior center with two lady friends who are widows.  Dad doesn't care to go with them because he's not terribly interested in women's talk over soup and salad.  I see nothing amiss with it.  
    If wives and mothers are regularly neglecting their husbands and children for a night out on the town, well, that's different, not the right thing to do!
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #52 on: July 03, 2018, 04:51:21 PM »
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    "Trads raising feminist daughters"

    Most American Catholics, including the Trads, fail and "buy what they're selling."  They're sell-outs most of the time.  It's the most comfortable thing to do.  As long as they get theirs, they don't mind.  Result: Their daughters move out with a boyfriend when they come of age.  This is what happens when a group capitulates.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #53 on: July 03, 2018, 05:46:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on July 03, 2018, 04:51:21 PM
    Most American Catholics, including the Trads, fail and "buy what they're selling."  They're sell-outs most of the time.  It's the most comfortable thing to do.  As long as they get theirs, they don't mind.  Result: Their daughters move out with a boyfriend when they come of age.  This is what happens when a group capitulates.
    Agreed.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #54 on: July 03, 2018, 07:11:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on July 03, 2018, 11:13:30 AM
    A sure fire way to get one's daughter to embrace feminism is to raise her thinking that there is something other than motherhood or the celibate life out there for her.  The only way to get the grace from God to destroy feminism is to raise daughters with modesty and true feminine integrity.  If she goes off the deep end, then that's on her.  However, not even trad mothers and fathers are bothering anymore and most have embraced feminism to one degree or another.
    That is completely right. As a woman there can only be two vocations. A celibate life in the service of Christ or that of marriage and motherhood. 
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #55 on: July 03, 2018, 07:20:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: SusanneT on July 03, 2018, 07:11:17 PM
    That is completely right. As a woman there can only be two vocations. A celibate life in the service of Christ or that of marriage and motherhood.
    No doubt some will disagree.  Interestingly, a girl who prepares to be a doctor or lawyer does upward of 15-20 years of schooling. Yet mothers promoting any kind of motherhood manage to have a couple of talks with their daughters at 12.  Then when the girl goes bad, they wonder what happened.  
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #56 on: July 03, 2018, 07:24:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on July 03, 2018, 07:20:12 PM
    No doubt some will disagree.  Interestingly, a girl who prepares to be a doctor or lawyer does upward of 15-20 years of schooling. Yet mothers promoting any kind of motherhood manage to have a couple of talks with their daughters at 12.  Then when the girl goes bad, they wonder what happened.  
    Why does any woman need to train as a lawyer ? A doctor yes - to treat women in modesty and with personal knowledge but a lawyer - why - how can that be Godly  
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #57 on: July 03, 2018, 08:01:49 PM »
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    • This subject comes up between my husband and I frequently, as we have 2 daughters and one on the way. We were just talking about it this morning, in fact.

    A summary of what our conclusions are:
    -If our daughters are unmarried and not in a convent, we will encourage them to stay under our roof until they have either a convent or a husband from whom they will receive their covering from. There is plenty of work to do around the homestead, and jobs that don't require having to work in the public arena around men. Tutoring, music lessons, seemstress work, etc. All of these can be done within the home. 

    -University will not be encouraged or funded by us. If they do wish for more than a highschool education, let it be of a useful sort to help her in the education of her children, or to learn some sort of trade that could bring in more income if the family fell on dire financial times. They don't need to go to a university, and most generally not even a small community college campus to get this kind of training. It can be online or apprenticing, etc.

    One thing that we've discussed, that does leave us a bit perplexed, is women going to college to be in the health profession. I know how thankful I am that there are women doctors who I can go to for womens health issues and for delivering babies. My husband despises male OBGYN's, and I would rather risk my health than to willingly go to one. Yet at the same time, we would highly discourage our daughters for ever thinking of entering the work force for that purpose. Can we discuss this topic here, or should it be another thread?

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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #58 on: July 03, 2018, 08:06:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: jen51 on July 03, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
    This subject comes up between my husband and I frequently, as we have 2 daughters and one on the way. We were just talking about it this morning, in fact.

    A summary of what our conclusions are:
    -If our daughters are unmarried and not in a convent, we will encourage them to stay under our roof until they have either a convent or a husband from whom they will receive their covering from. There is plenty of work to do around the homestead, and jobs that don't require having to work in the public arena around men. Tutoring, music lessons, seemstress work, etc.

    -University will not be encouraged or funded by us. If they do wish for more than a highschool education, let it be of a useful sort to help her in the education of her children, or to learn some sort of trade that could bring in more income if the family fell on dire financial times. They don't need to go to a university, and most generally not even a small community college campus to get this kind of training. It can be online or apprenticing, etc.

    One thing that we've discussed, that does leave us a bit perplexed, is women going to college to be in the health profession. I know how thankful I am that there are women doctors who I can go to for womens health issues and for delivering babies. My husband despises male OBGYN's, and I would rather risk my health than to willingly go to one. Yet at the same time, we would highly discourage our daughters for ever thinking of entering the work force for that purpose. Can we discuss this topic here, or should it be another thread?
    I / we also struggle with this point.  My husband will not allow me to see a male doctor but we both disagree with female higher education except in medicine - a dilemma I agree. 
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #59 on: July 03, 2018, 08:13:53 PM »
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    If our daughters are unmarried and not in a convent, we will encourage them to stay under our roof until they have either a convent or a husband from whom they will receive their covering from.
    Should be a requirement, not just encouragement.  If she disagrees, then shes cut from the will and no marriage reception help.  It's that important to her salvation.


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    One thing that we've discussed, that does leave us a bit perplexed, is women going to college to be in the health profession. I know how thankful I am that there are women doctors who I can go to for womens health issues and for delivering babies. My husband despises male OBGYN's, and I would rather risk my health than to willingly go to one. Yet at the same time, we would highly discourage our daughters for ever thinking of entering the work force for that purpose. Can we discuss this topic here, or should it be another thread?
    Let her be a midwife.
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