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Offline TxTrad

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Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2018, 10:07:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 03, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
    Oh, but they DO know better.
    They CANNOT claim they "didn't know better, "
    You CANNOT have sat in the pews of TRAD Churches for 20 years and say you "don't know" what God's role is for women.
    It ain't a physicist.
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    True.  But not all traditional mothers have sat in the pews for 20 years.
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    Traditional mothers also learn in the pews that the husband is the head of the household.  How is it that the mother has failed if the husband allows the daughter to stray while under his care?
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    I still hold that most traditional mothers don't INTEND to rear feminists.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #16 on: July 03, 2018, 10:09:01 AM »
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    • No, it is not the goal.

    There are too many recent "Trad" girls being sent off to college to do "something highly important. "


    And it is encouraged as though we are non-Catholic members of the world. 

    We are to be a contradiction to the world. 
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #17 on: July 03, 2018, 10:11:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: TxTrad on July 03, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
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    True.  But not all traditional mothers have sat in the pews for 20 years.
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    Traditional mothers also learn in the pews that the husband is the head of the household.  How is it that the mother has failed if the husband allows the daughter to stray while under his care?
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    I still hold that most traditional mothers don't INTEND to rear feminists.
    I am speaking of mothers who HAVE sat in the pews for 20 years.
    Mothers whose parents were the FIRST Trads.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #18 on: July 03, 2018, 10:16:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on July 03, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
    I am speaking of mothers who HAVE sat in the pews for 20 years.
    Mothers whose parents were the FIRST Trads.
    Sorry.  Not enough coffee yet...  
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    I still hold that Traditional mothers also learn in the pews that the husband is the head of the household.  How is it that the mother has failed if the husband allows the daughter to stray while under his care?
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    most traditional mothers don't INTEND to rear feminists, but is it their fault if they have done their best.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #19 on: July 03, 2018, 10:41:06 AM »
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    If at the end of that your daughter rejects motherhood to work, you have FAILED. 
    No, not necessarily.  I've known many good, non-feminist families whose children rebelled.  It's a sign of the times.  


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    You CANNOT have sat in the pews of TRAD Churches for 20 years and say you "don't know" what God's role is for women.
    This is true.

    The answer is that some women embrace feminism in spite of good nurturing.  Some embrace Traditionalism in spite of a feminist/modernist upbringing.  And there is the 'middle' where quasi-trads are feminized themselves and raise children who embrace feminism.  ...It's a war zone out there...
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 10:58:07 AM »
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    • Trad schools are encouraging college for girls.

    To what end, I ask?

    For what purpose? 

    Waste $50-$100K on tuition, then she becomes a Mom?

    Or worse, waste $100-200k so she becomes a lawyer/doctor and then contracepts while the 2 kids are raised in daycare so she can work?
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #21 on: July 03, 2018, 10:58:43 AM »
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    • Look at these male and female feminists talk about the ills of feminism, yet they manifest the infection themselves. What a sick joke. :laugh1:
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #22 on: July 03, 2018, 11:01:00 AM »
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    • Smedly is on to something...as shocking and unexpected as it sounds, there are indeed bona-fide feminists in the midst of Traditional Catholic enclaves and chapels everywhere.

    The World is all around us, and we shouldn't be too shocked if it picks off a few "victims" who fell for the siren song of its influence.

    The World is crazy, but some people actually fall for the craziness. Heck, there are Trads who believe the official government propaganda/story of 9/11 for crying out loud! Trads aren't always the brightest bulb in the box.

    Another point -- there's failing with one (or two) black sheep, and then there's failing with a majority or even 100% of your children. One or two children can just be black sheep/rebels, going against everything the parents taught or stood for. But if MOST or ALL children in a family give up the faith, become feminists, etc. then THE PARENTS WERE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. They sent them to public school, set a bad example, taught a bad example, allowed worldly influences in the home (TV, Internet, cell phones, bad company, etc.), failed to educate properly, failed to discipline properly, and/or other derelictions of duty.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 11:09:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: TxTrad on July 03, 2018, 10:16:58 AM
    Sorry.  Not enough coffee yet...  
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    I still hold that Traditional mothers also learn in the pews that the husband is the head of the household.  How is it that the mother has failed if the husband allows the daughter to stray while under his care?
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    most traditional mothers don't INTEND to rear feminists, but is it their fault if they have done their best.
    If your daughters own pants and shorts snd are wearing them when they are not at Mass or their Trad school, then you are NOT doing your best.
    You are raising feminist daughters and paying lip service to the example of Our Lady.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 11:13:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 03, 2018, 10:41:06 AM
    No, not necessarily.  I've known many good, non-feminist families whose children rebelled.  It's a sign of the times.  

    This is true.

    The answer is that some women embrace feminism in spite of good nurturing.  Some embrace Traditionalism in spite of a feminist/modernist upbringing.  And there is the 'middle' where quasi-trads are feminized themselves and raise children who embrace feminism.  ...It's a war zone out there...
    A sure fire way to get one's daughter to embrace feminism is to raise her thinking that there is something other than motherhood or the celibate life out there for her.  The only way to get the grace from God to destroy feminism is to raise daughters with modesty and true feminine integrity.  If she goes off the deep end, then that's on her.  However, not even trad mothers and fathers are bothering anymore and most have embraced feminism to one degree or another.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 11:15:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on July 03, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
    Smedly is on to something...as shocking and unexpected as it sounds, there are indeed bona-fide feminists in the midst of Traditional Catholic enclaves 
    This topic is long overdue. 
    Too many Trad mothers wearing pants all week, dressing their girls in shorts, and telling them to go to college to get a job.
    All while showing up for Mass in a dress and veil on Sunday. 
    Cardinal Siri's essay on women in man's clothing strikes at the heart of feminism.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 11:20:59 AM »
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    • One thing that it is often overlooked is that a girl not only should aspire to be a good mother; but also a good wife first. She needs to learn how to build a meaningful, long-life relationship with the father of her children; and also, the other men in her life (father, sons, brothers). This knowledge does not come naturally, so it needs to be properly taught.

    The least thing you want is your daughter to end up being a single mother. It is crucial therefore, that she learns how to discern the good men; marry one, and build a stable marriage with him.

    The vocation of motherhood necessarily includes that of high - quality wifehood.  
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 11:22:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: TxTrad on July 03, 2018, 09:43:09 AM
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    It is not their choice to make.  It is God's.
    I’m talking before marriage, before engaging in marriage activities. Not prevention during. If the women are behaving this way before, then they aren’t mature enough for marriage/babies.
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 11:22:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on July 03, 2018, 11:20:59 AM
    One thing that it is often overlooked is that a girl not only should aspire to be good mother; but also a good wife. She needs to learn how to build a meaningful, long-life relationship with the father of her children; and also, the other men of her life. This knowledge does not come naturally, so it needs to be taught.

    The least thing you want is your daughter to end up being a single mother. It is crucial therefore, that she learns how to discern the good men; be able to marry one and build a stable marriage.

    The vocation of motherhood necessarily includes that of high - quality wifehood.  ,
    Here here. 
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    Re: Trads raising feminist daughters
    « Reply #29 on: July 03, 2018, 11:26:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Vintagewife3 on July 03, 2018, 11:22:09 AM
    I’m talking before marriage, before engaging in marriage activities. Not prevention during. If the women are behaving this way before, then they aren’t mature enough for marriage/babies.
    The women who aren't mature enough for marriage/babies are the ones who were not raised with a proper view of femininity, nor that phenomenal vocation exclusive to women.  But that doesn't mean they can't learn.  This has everything to do with Christ's missionary mandate and Catholics should always reflect these truths in their beliefs and conversation. 
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