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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2020, 01:42:07 PM »
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  • Except he is in complete contradiction with the ordinaries in many of the dioceses he calls "Catholic".  As someone pointed out in another thread, why isn't he cancelling masses in obedience to these men who he believes to be the true hierarchy of the Catholic Church (who are also in communion with the man they call the true pope of the Catholic Church)?

    Right, in those dioceses where bishops cancelled Masses, the SSPX should follow (to be consistent with themselves).

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    Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
    « Reply #16 on: March 15, 2020, 06:32:12 PM »
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  • Right, in those dioceses where bishops cancelled Masses, the SSPX should follow (to be consistent with themselves).
    Nothing but crickets to this issue.  Not shocked at all.


    Offline Miseremini

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    Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
    « Reply #17 on: March 15, 2020, 07:52:51 PM »
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  • Mithrandylan and Ladislaus,

    You both indicate Father doesn't have the authority to dispense.  How do you arrive at that?
    Any priest has the faculty to dispense;  the Eucharistic fast.... the little Office of the BVM required when wearing the scapular and substituting  the rosary.... the confession and communion required to gain an indulgence for the sick etc  so why doesn't father have the authority/faculty to give dispensations.

    I fully understand and agree in this case it's not even necessary as it's church tradition/law. 
    I am just confused as to why you both indicate he doesn't have authority to dispense anything.
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    Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
    « Reply #18 on: March 15, 2020, 10:21:20 PM »
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  • Mithrandylan and Ladislaus,

    You both indicate Father doesn't have the authority to dispense.  How do you arrive at that?
    Any priest has the faculty to dispense;  the Eucharistic fast.... the little Office of the BVM required when wearing the scapular and substituting  the rosary.... the confession and communion required to gain an indulgence for the sick etc  so why doesn't father have the authority/faculty to give dispensations.

    I fully understand and agree in this case it's not even necessary as it's church tradition/law.
    I am just confused as to why you both indicate he doesn't have authority to dispense anything.
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    It's a jurisdictional act and he doesn't have any jurisdiction.
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    Bizarrely, he's purporting to dispense the whole nation's sick and infirm.  Not even an actual bishop could do that.  Fr. Wegner: pope of America?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
    « Reply #19 on: March 15, 2020, 10:38:27 PM »
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  • Thank you for the explanation.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



    Offline Mithrandylan

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    Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
    « Reply #20 on: March 16, 2020, 12:44:59 PM »
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  • It occurs to me that the wording 'personally' dispense might be intended as a way of distinguishing from 'authoritatively' dispensed.  I.e., the letter may be intending to say, with the expression "Fr. Wegner personally dispenses...", that Fr. Wegner is dispensing the elderly and infirm in a non-authoritative, non-jurisdictional way.
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    Of course, that's technically oxymoronic.  There's no such thing (in the context of law) as a non-authoritative dispensation.  If you're dispensed, you're only ever dispensed by someone or something with the power to dispense.  
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    But I bring it up as a consideration.  It may be just a very poorly worded and confusing way of Fr. Wegner simply saying "if you are elderly or infirm you can stay home from mass without fear of committing any sin."  Which, of course, he would be perfectly correct to say, and which saying would in no way be outside his bounds.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
    « Reply #21 on: March 16, 2020, 01:43:07 PM »
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  • LOL ... it's almost like the whole battle about sedevacantism.

    Just as with the pope, there's a difference between deposing him and declaring him deposed (by divine law), so too here there could be a blur between dispensing and declaring dispensed (by divine law).  Unfortunately, the way he worded it made it sound like he had jurisdiction over the entire United States.

    Yes, an individual's confessor might advise someone that they are dispensed (if you are ill, you don't have to meet the obligation).  Traditionally, only either a bishop or an actual canonical pastor could actually dispense someone, "I dispense everyone in this parish of the fast on a day in Lent that's the anniversary of the founding of our parish."

    When saying that he's dispensing the ill and the elderly, well, no such dispensation is in fact needed, since the ill and the elderly (who are at risk from this thing) are excused by Divine Law and common sense.  So the only thing he could mean is that he's declaring them to be dispensed ... but I think he's confusing himself here.  SSPX has always played fast and loose with Canon Law, acting and pretending as if they had ordinary jurisdiction when in fact they don't.

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    Re: Virus directions from Fr. Wegner for SSPX in the US
    « Reply #22 on: March 16, 2020, 01:59:15 PM »
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  • That's a funny insight. I agree.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).