Author Topic: Trads and feminism (Read 6323 times)

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2018, 02:09:10 PM »

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While feminism may have started out as primarily women against men, the natural response of men has been to oppose women.

Just like Eve sinned first and then corrupted Adam, so feminism corrupted women first and then the women have corrupted men/children/society.

Most men, even today with the thick cloud of feminism everywhere, STILL do not oppose women. What men oppose are MASCULINE women because men naturally respect, admire and protect a feminine woman. It's in the nature of a man to want to guard her from evil, and help her...if she LETS HIM guard and protect her. A feminist wants to control a man, and any situation, instead of allowing herself to be protected and cared for. Feminism destroys women's trust of men and of herself; it destroys women's natural feminine qualities of being passive, accepting and trusting.

When women ACT MASCULINE (i.e. not passive, but assertive/aggressive. Not accepting, but hyper-critical and complaining. Not trusting but controlling and obsessive.), then men have an auto/instinctive response to such masculine attitudes. If men are faced with aggression, they will respond with aggression to either avoid the threat or to conquer the threat.

If men are faced with a controlling attitude, or disrespect, their natural response is to assert control and challenge the disrespect.

If men are faced with criticism and complaining, they ignore it or pick apart the illogical and emotional attributes of such comments.

Men don't think about these reaction; they just react. If women act this way over a long term time frame, then men will stop TRYING to treat them as women, since they are clearly acting as men.

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In fact, in some ways, feminism is more harmful to men over the long run. Men are intended by God to be the leaders, but feminism has emasculated them.

Long term feminist attitudes will affect some men, but not all. Feminism has affected over 90% of women in some way; it has not affected that many men. Men's natures are inherently stable. Their vices are the same throughout history and don't change that much - violence, drinking, womanizing, debauchery, etc. The devil knows this and the Church knows this, which is why the devil tempted Eve and why the Church's Nuptial Blessing is primarily for women.

Most of the modern problems of men relate to the over-indulgence in fun, irresponsibility and immoral pleasures. This has always been men's downfall and it still is. The growth of feminism hasn't changed this, it has only destroyed the sacrament of marriage, and the family, which is one of the main vehicles by which fallen men are socially reconstructed. Marriage can teach a wayward, lazy man that hard work, responsibility and lawful pleasure is worth fighting for and sacrificing for, when he sees the joys/innocence of children and the loving acceptance of his wife and their needs.

Feminism, however, destroys marriage and society, because women have the attitude that 1) I don't need men to help me. 2) I'm independent. 3) Assertiveness and agressiveness are the best ways to get what I want. Feminism teaches women to act like men, so men are not motivated to treat them like women (and they wouldn't appreciate it anyways) but they ARE motivated (subconsciously) to treat masculine woman AS COMPETITION. So men stop leading and women get frustrated, and society is a mess, both inside marriage and outside it too.

Vintagewife3 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2018, 02:15:31 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek on July 02, 2018, 01:54:44 PM

I really appreciate this kind of practical specific advise. It helps me to figure out what actions I can take in my own life when I see things like this. This is more useful than dealing with abstractions and theories all the time.

I especially like point number 3 because this is an area that I struggle with. I am naturally argumentative and also inclined to be interested in intellectual matters.

Thank you.

I actually really appreciated this too, but didn’t voice it! It made things super simple. I love a good argument, and can pick one over anything.
I keep thinking if you guys sat in on my marriage you’d think I’m more feminist then I mean to be. Somehow it just got settled between i is I make the most choices/big decisions especially with the kids. He made the choice to finally buy the house, but I was not pushing that since I’m not the one working. That stress rest only on him. He pays the bills, works, and comes and goes as he pleases. I pretty much do everything else.. but I’m not trying to order him around, or boss him. It’s just how it happened.

Jaynek · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2018, 02:37:59 PM »

Whoever is downvoting Vintagewife, please give her explanations about why you are doing so. She is new to the forum and apparently to traditional Catholicism as well. She says that she wants to learn. Just giving downvotes doesn't help people very much with figuring out what they are getting wrong.

I'm hoping that somebody can give her advice on how to improve her obedience to her husband. I was trying to think of something to say but decided I better leave it to somebody wiser than me.

Vintagewife3 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2018, 02:46:58 PM »

Quote from: Jaynek on July 02, 2018, 02:37:59 PM

Whoever is downvoting Vintagewife, please give her explanations about why you are doing so. She is new to the forum and apparently to traditional Catholicism as well. She says that she wants to learn. Just giving downvotes doesn't help people very much with figuring out what they are getting wrong.

I'm hoping that somebody can give her advice on how to improve her obedience to her husband. I was trying to think of something to say but decided I better leave it to somebody wiser than me.

I appreciate this. I’m super serious about about learning...
I’m super supportive of him. I want us to have a good marriage. I’ve been very honest about who I am, and I’m not trying to cause any trouble.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2018, 02:56:36 PM »

Don’t take downvotes personally. Most of the time the person doesn’t understand why they disagree.

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