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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 01:18:14 PM »

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However, I don’t reject all authority based on my fear of authority’s abuses. That is where I think we differ. 
Where did I say, or imply, that I reject the court's authority, or ANY govt authority?  I didn't.

You're missing the point that a prenup is a CONTRACT whereby the 2 spouses agree how to split assets FAIRLY in the case of divorce.  If there isn't one, then THE COURTS GET TO DECIDE how to split up assets.  Since the courts are FEMINIST, they are BIASED AGAINST MEN, therefore men get screwed.  It's not complicated.

If you were in school and a certain teacher always picked on you and treated you unfairly, if someone stole your lunch money, are you going to complain to the teacher who isn't fair to you, or are you going to find a teacher that is impartial?  Of course, you're going to avoid a teacher, who time and again mistrusts you, disbelieves you and thinks you're a bad kid.  So, a prenup seeks for spouses to decide how to FAIRLY split assets WHILE THEY LOVE EACH OTHER, in order to avoid the BIASED courts and also the EMOTIONAL RESENTMENT that divorce brings.  

Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 01:21:45 PM »
There have been a whole bunch of threads about women and marriage lately and I am wondering if we are working from the same underlying assumptions.  I am going to put out a bunch of propositions to see whether people agree or not.

1. Feminism is evil and pervasive throughout Western society.

2. Feminism pits men and women against each other.

3. Feminism promotes a false understanding of men's and women's roles in marriage and in society.

4. Trads, even those who disagree with feminism, are subtly influenced by it.

5. Women need to be alert to feminism within ourselves and constantly fighting against it.
So, I’ve always thought there was a difference between today’s feminist, and the first suffragettes. Today’s feminist are just... well, they aren’t even women anymore. That being said I’ve always agreed with past suffragette thinking on equality. But are they one in the same? It came across that suffragettes wanted the same equal rights, while keeping the men at the head. 


Todays feminist definitely out men against women, and women against women. If you don’t agree even on small factors with them you are the enemy.


That being said the pre-nup thing is making more sense now. But what would protect a woman if the man decides to leave her with his pre-nup? 



Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 01:39:59 PM »
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Practicing virtue is the solutuion to all this fem nonsense. Feminism would all but disappear if we women were more diligent growing in virtue and improving our states. We do need to take it seriously and work on ourselves while we learn and grow. It would help a wife very much to have a husband that encourages while she learns to overcome her errors, but many of us do not have that so it is more difficult and sometimes takes a little longer. 
Practicing virtue is only PART of the solution.  Feminism is a religious AND SOCIAL problem.  The fact that many good, traditional wives/women are still feminist proves the fact that it is more than just a spiritual error, it is a philosophy, a lifestyle, an attitude.  Some of this can be fixed by prayer, some of it must be fixed by a REORDERING OF SOCIETY.  

Here is a (short) list of things that women do, that are feminist.  Many won't change these practices because they argue that "technically, they aren't sinful", so these practices persist.  But they are highly feminist and destructive to society.  And they are born of a feminist/rebellious attitude, which is hard to change.

1.  Wearing pants/mens clothes.  This is a sign the woman hates her nature and wants to be a man/independent/free.  
2.  Living alone or outside of the parents house, if not married (assuming your parents are alive).  This just isn't natural, has never been and never will be.  It is a sign of independence and a wanting to be free of authority, which women are not designed to have, nor are they able to handle.
3.  Instructing, correcting, arguing with men (who are not their children).  Women are not designed for this role in life.  A debate such as those on this forum is often friendly and worthwhile for all genders (but many women can't even handle these discussions, or at least they are practically worthless, because they miss many of the teaching points as they internalize most things and cannot grasp abstract arguments and philosophical principles).  A woman who is too interested in intellectual matters (in general, not always) is a sign they are feminized and want to be a man.  At least, if they are of an intellectual bent, they should study/learn from a wise man, so their studies won't be wasted or corrupted.

I can't wait for the downvotes!!

p.s. I've noticed that, for these topics, the only time I get any upvotes is when I mention a man's failings ALONG WITH a woman's failings.  Of course men have many failings and we could create AN ENTIRE WEBSITE to deal with those, but we're SPECIFICALLY talking about feminism here, and women particularly.  It's another proof that women can't have unemotional, rational discussions on this topic, since they can't admit they are wrong UNLESS someone else admits they're also wrong.  Very immature and very feminist.  

Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 01:48:10 PM »
So, I’ve always thought there was a difference between today’s feminist, and the first suffragettes. Today’s feminist are just... well, they aren’t even women anymore. That being said I’ve always agreed with past suffragette thinking on equality. But are they one in the same? It came across that suffragettes wanted the same equal rights, while keeping the men at the head.
There were problems with the suffragettes too, although not as bad as today's feminists.  

Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 01:54:44 PM »
Here is a (short) list of things that women do, that are feminist.  Many won't change these practices because they argue that "technically, they aren't sinful", so these practices persist.  But they are highly feminist and destructive to society.  And they are born of a feminist/rebellious attitude, which is hard to change.

1.  Wearing pants/mens clothes.  This is a sign the woman hates her nature and wants to be a man/independent/free.  
2.  Living alone or outside of the parents house, if not married (assuming your parents are alive).  This just isn't natural, has never been and never will be.  It is a sign of independence and a wanting to be free of authority, which women are not designed to have, nor are they able to handle.
3.  Instructing, correcting, arguing with men (who are not their children).  Women are not designed for this role in life.  A debate such as those on this forum is often friendly and worthwhile for all genders (but many women can't even handle these discussions, or at least they are practically worthless, because they miss many of the teaching points as they internalize most things and cannot grasp abstract arguments and philosophical principles).  A woman who is too interested in intellectual matters (in general, not always) is a sign they are feminized and want to be a man.  At least, if they are of an intellectual bent, they should study/learn from a wise man, so their studies won't be wasted or corrupted.
I really appreciate this kind of practical specific advise.  It helps me to figure out what actions I can take in my own life when I see things like this.  This is more useful than dealing with abstractions and theories all the time.

I especially like point number 3 because this is an area that I struggle with.  I am naturally argumentative and also inclined to be interested in intellectual matters.

Thank you.