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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2018, 08:13:35 AM »

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How does voting make a woman non-dependent on her husband? I personally don’t vote, but I have never been able to just vote for the lesser of two evils. If I did vote I’d still look to my husband for guidance, and a good political debate.
I know you're talking about a fun debate regarding politics, but for many couples, politics can be quite divisive.  There should be 1 vote per family because anything else is a potential dividing factor.  The family should be a unit, all in agreement, all in unison.  If it's not, the husband has the final say.

It used to be that ONLY men who owned property could vote.  The reason being that one who owns property has a vested interest in how politics, taxes, etc affected society.  All the others who didn't own property could be easily manipulated (like they are today) because they don't understand how life really works.  

Take for example, the common socialist theme seen by hollywood and heard by the media - the evil, corrupt businessman.  Ok, now there ARE many corrupt businessmen, so it's not a bad character to show in movies, but the "avg joe" who owns a plumbing business, or an insurance office is NOT the same thing as a CEO of a Fortune 500 company.  A typical small business owner only has a business because he sacrificed many, many things to build that business and then the media lumps him into 'corp corruption' when businesses get tax breaks.  Meanwhile, most people have NO IDEA the dedication, time, energy, RISKS, STRESS, and non-stop work it takes to build and run a business.  If they did, they'd have more appreciation for a small business.

Aside from that, it could still be argued that only those who own businesses/property should vote.  All others don't have a real-life concept of economics, health insurance, etc.
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Offline Vintagewife3

Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2018, 08:25:56 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 03, 2018, 08:13:35 AM
I know you're talking about a fun debate regarding politics, but for many couples, politics can be quite divisive.  There should be 1 vote per family because anything else is a potential dividing factor.  The family should be a unit, all in agreement, all in unison.  If it's not, the husband has the final say.

It used to be that ONLY men who owned property could vote.  The reason being that one who owns property has a vested interest in how politics, taxes, etc affected society.  All the others who didn't own property could be easily manipulated (like they are today) because they don't understand how life really works.  

Take for example, the common socialist theme seen by hollywood and heard by the media - the evil, corrupt businessman.  Ok, now there ARE many corrupt businessmen, so it's not a bad character to show in movies, but the "avg joe" who owns a plumbing business, or an insurance office is NOT the same thing as a CEO of a Fortune 500 company.  A typical small business owner only has a business because he sacrificed many, many things to build that business and then the media lumps him into 'corp corruption' when businesses get tax breaks.  Meanwhile, most people have NO IDEA the dedication, time, energy, RISKS, STRESS, and non-stop work it takes to build and run a business.  If they did, they'd have more appreciation for a small business.

Aside from that, it could still be argued that only those who own businesses/property should vote.  All others don't have a real-life concept of economics, health insurance, etc.
Oh trust me! My husband and I have had our fair share of divisive debates. We hardly agree on anything political. I still consider a heated debate a good one. 
The reasons you mention are another reason I don’t vote. I’m a productive member of society by raising wholesome kids, and being there for my husband. Plus, the things I do for community, but I don’t pay taxes. My husband is the business owner, and head of house. I may not agree with his political stances at times, but he does actually get the finally say.
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Offline SusanneT

Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2018, 12:29:28 PM »
I am so glad to read other women having the courage to say what they think and what is right in direct contravention of feminist ideology. 

The family is a unit and the head of that unit is the husband / father. Whatever goes on in terms of debate inside the family, he represents it to the wider world and that includes in my view voting. I would give the head of every family a vote for himself and another for his wife and any other adult daughters. 

I am torn on education because whilst I generally support the idea that girls education should be focused on the home, the nursery and on Christ I think we do need highly educated women in some specific roles - most especially medicine. But I strongly disagree with girls living outside of parental control and would not allow my daughters to go away to college. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2018, 12:46:22 PM »
Nursing and teaching (but not high school and maybe not middle school) is a natural area for women to be.  Or accounting, librarian, gardening.  Or other health areas.  ...not trying to make an exhaustive list, but most other professions are contrary to women’s natural talents and are better performed by men. 

Also, women, even if they have a natural talent, shouldn’t be in men dominant fields.  *Ideally*
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Offline jvk

Re: Trads and feminism
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2018, 10:00:49 AM »
Nursing USED to be a natural area for women to be.  Having been there, though, I can tell you it's a very feminist field now. 

Example: RN's used to wear white dress uniforms and be expected to stand for the doctors.  If such a thing happened today...I think the other RN's would have heart attacks! 

We were told in nursing school that the doctors (implied men) were NOT better.  We do NOT have to give our seats up.  Scrubs (pants) are ok.  Wearing skirts is bad.  And so on and so forth. 

And then of course, there's the big push for "murses" (male nurses).  Which in a crisis area--ICU, ER, flight truama, etc--may not be such a bad idea.  But for the empathy of floor nursing?  Creepy.  If I had to go back and do it again I'd stick to being a nurses aide.

And the reason I went to college?  My dad insisted on it.  I HAD to have a college education.  Even though I told him all through high-school I didn't really want to; he demanded it.  His mother would have been considered a feminist; it's amazing how one woman can affect subsequent generations so much!  The high importance of eradicating feminism in our homes and hearts!
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