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Offline Jaynek

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Trads and feminism
« on: July 02, 2018, 10:26:34 AM »
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  • There have been a whole bunch of threads about women and marriage lately and I am wondering if we are working from the same underlying assumptions.  I am going to put out a bunch of propositions to see whether people agree or not.

    1. Feminism is evil and pervasive throughout Western society.

    2. Feminism pits men and women against each other.

    3. Feminism promotes a false understanding of men's and women's roles in marriage and in society.

    4. Trads, even those who disagree with feminism, are subtly influenced by it.

    5. Women need to be alert to feminism within ourselves and constantly fighting against it.


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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 10:46:41 AM »
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  • There have been a whole bunch of threads about women and marriage lately and I am wondering if we are working from the same underlying assumptions.  I am going to put out a bunch of propositions to see whether people agree or not.

    1. Feminism is evil and pervasive throughout Western society.

    2. Feminism pits men and women against each other.

    3. Feminism promotes a false understanding of men's and women's roles in marriage and in society.

    4. Trads, even those who disagree with feminism, are subtly influenced by it.

    5. Women need to be alert to feminism within ourselves and constantly fighting against it.

    You're either very dense for finally coming around to see it, or you're trying to employ damage (reputation) control, because your comments on the apropos threads reveal the undercurrent of feminism within you and the other women.

    The fact is, with all of the LARP-ing by women at CathInfo about how they want "Catholic Monarchy" and "patriarchy", their deep essence is opposed to it.

    The same applies to many of the "men" on this forum.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 10:47:41 AM »
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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 10:48:09 AM »
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  • 2.  Feminism pits men and women against each other.


    No, feminism pits women against men ONLY!  It is the false idea that men are the problem, by blaming men for the authority, duty and governing role that God ordained.  Feminism is a corruption of the peace and stability of marriage/society just as Eve’s rebellion corrupted the peace and stability of Eden.

    Men are only corrupted by accepting the error that women can do that which God has not ordained.  Yet, men will only accept feminism when it comes from a woman, just like Adam wouldn’t have accepted the apple from Satan, but only from Eve.

    Feminism corrupts women first, then the women corrupt the men.  In the US, Feminism started in the 1800s with the rise of women and prohibition, then it continued with the roaring 20s, then to women’s sufferage, birth control, divorce, abortion, equality in the workplace and education, etc.  

    5. Women need to be alert to feminism within ourselves and constantly fighting against it.

    At this point in society, we’re way past the ALERT phase.  It’s in a full-blown warning mode.  Crisis mode.  Immediate danger mode.  

    Most all women are infected and have been for 2-3 generations.  THe more men that are infected, (which is growing), the more society is sunk.  

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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 11:05:04 AM »
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  • Per your comment about "working from the same underlying assumptions", I think the first thing to do would be to define "feminism", so that everyone who comments, agrees or disagrees, is working from the same underlying definition of "feminism". ..

    Good point.  The dictionary definition of feminism is usually something like "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes" and that is not what it really is.

    Feminism is a variation of Marxism which replaces class warfare between the bourgeois and proletariat with a war between men and women.  Judgments are based on what class people belong to rather than their actions as individuals.

    This is far more insidious than merely saying that the sexes are equal.  There are even some senses in which it is true to say that the sexes are equal, as in, men and women are equal in dignity or equal in their need for salvation through Christ. (Of course, husband and wife are NOT equal in authority within marriage.)


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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 11:11:55 AM »
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  • The fact is, with all of the LARP-ing by women at CathInfo about how they want "Catholic Monarchy" and "patriarchy", their deep essence is opposed to it.
    I have an intellectual understanding of the desirability of patriarchy.  Not only feminism, but original sin, are obstacles to living out what I know is right.

    I don't expect to ever obey and respect my husband as much I think I should, no matter how much I try.  This is just the human condition.

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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 11:18:31 AM »
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  • There have been a whole bunch of threads about women and marriage lately and I am wondering if we are working from the same underlying assumptions.  I am going to put out a bunch of propositions to see whether people agree or not.

    1. Feminism is evil and pervasive throughout Western society.

    2. Feminism pits men and women against each other.

    3. Feminism promotes a false understanding of men's and women's roles in marriage and in society.

    4. Trads, even those who disagree with feminism, are subtly influenced by it.

    5. Women need to be alert to feminism within ourselves and constantly fighting against it.
    In general yes to all, and most here would agree. 
    However but I don’t think that’s what is being argued here, it is the approach to, and/or solution to this error. 
    For example: a prenuptial agreement is a solution to men’s fears of losing their financial stability due to women’s feminist tendencies because most women at their core are gold diggers because they are infected with the disease of feminism-
    And those who don’t agree with this are called feminists, or enableing LARPS. 
    Honestly, how charitable is it to stand there and yell at people that it’s all your fault we are in this mess..stupid Hilary-worshipping females and there beloved feminism. 

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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 11:29:47 AM »
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  • In general yes to all, and most here would agree.
    However but I don’t think that’s what is being argued here, it is the approach to, and/or solution to this error.
    That's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread.  Is there are general agreement about feminism being evil, with disagreement only about specific solutions, or is there disagreement about feminism itself?

    There are posters who appear to take disagreement with their preferred solution as acceptance of feminism.  Perhaps it would be helpful to clarify that virtually all of us despise feminism.


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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 11:32:53 AM »
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    a prenuptial agreement is a solution to men’s fears of losing their financial stability due to women’s feminist tendencies because most women at their core are gold diggers
    A prenup protects a man from the freemasonic, anti-family, anti-catholic, anti-men COURT SYSTEMS!

    A woman’s “gold digging” is a secondary issue.  She could care less about money, but once she divorces her husband THE COURTS follow THEIR PROCESS, regardless of her views on money.  In many area of divorce, it’s THEIR DECISION, not hers.    

    If you ignore the control, will and decision-making POWER of the COURTS, you are either dishonest or supremely naive.

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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 11:44:58 AM »
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  • I have an intellectual understanding of the desirability of patriarchy.  Not only feminism, but original sin, are obstacles to living out what I know is right.

    I don't expect to ever obey and respect my husband as much I think I should, no matter how much I try.  This is just the human condition.
    I believe modernism is our problem. For both men and women it is an inward as well as outward struggle and it manifests itself within marriage too. 
    It is still not be charitable for men and women to call each other feminist and chauvinistic pigs though (Yes I’ve heard ‘pig’ used towards women here) there seams to be a double standard here because some are trying to tip scales hoping to correct something that can only be corrected by prayer. 


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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 11:59:34 AM »
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  • A prenup protects a man from the freemasonic, anti-family, anti-catholic, anti-men COURT SYSTEMS!

    A woman’s “gold digging” is a secondary issue.  She could care less about money, but once she divorces her husband THE COURTS follow THEIR PROCESS, regardless of her views on money.  In many area of divorce, it’s THEIR DECISION, not hers.    

    If you ignore the control, will and decision-making POWER of the COURTS, you are either dishonest or supremely naive.
    Yes I see where most of your concern is. 
    Civil authorities as well as Church authorities have been corrupted and we must be prudent in our daily decisions. These days are evil and disaster is looming around the corner for all of us. 
    However, I don’t reject all authority based on my fear of authority’s abuses. That is where I think we differ. 
    For example: Some choose to live off grid, grow there own food and govern their own kingdoms on their land. 
    I however am a semi-modernist suburbian that still shops at a grocer and washes their clothes in a machine.  
    I am no where near the ideal you have presented. 

    I pray every day for the protection from the hand of wrongful authority. We all would do well to. 


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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 12:08:52 PM »
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  • I believe modernism is our problem. For both men and women it is an inward as well as outward struggle and it manifests itself within marriage too.
    Because modernism is a rejection of objective truth known through Divine Revelation and Church authority, it is closely connected to the errors of feminism.  The more I can restore my mind to traditional Catholic thinking, the more I can free myself from feminist influence.  And it works the other way round.  The more I escape from feminism, the better I can avoid modernist ways of thinking.

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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 12:19:24 PM »
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  • A prenup protects a man from the freemasonic, anti-family, anti-catholic, anti-men COURT SYSTEMS!

     THE COURTS follow THEIR PROCESS, regardless of her views on money.  In many area of divorce, it’s THEIR DECISION, not hers.    


    I know four couples personally who have either separated or divorced. They are all Catholic too. 
    Each was a different situation but none of them involved courts taking money from the husband. 
    One couple divorced and both moved on to new spouses and started new families. He kept his money and she kept the kids. He has new wife and kids now too. 
    Another couple the wife left and only took her own stuff to start a new life with someone else. 
    Another wife wanted a career so she separated from her husband and they share the kids while both work and live in seperate homes. 
    Another couple had difference of Faith Novus Ordo vs Tradition so they ended up divorced but both have careers and share the kids. 
    Not saying what I’ve seen is all that exists, just really do have a hard time seeing courts waiting to pounce on husbands money. 

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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 12:41:51 PM »
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  • Because modernism is a rejection of objective truth known through Divine Revelation and Church authority, it is closely connected to the errors of feminism.  The more I can restore my mind to traditional Catholic thinking, the more I can free myself from feminist influence.  And it works the other way round.  The more I escape from feminism, the better I can avoid modernist ways of thinking.
    Practicing virtue is the solutuion to all this fem nonsense. Feminism would all but disappear if we women were more diligent growing in virtue and improving our states. We do need to take it seriously and work on ourselves while we learn and grow. It would help a wife very much to have a husband that encourages while she learns to overcome her errors, but many of us do not have that so it is more difficult and sometimes takes a little longer. 

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    Re: Trads and feminism
    « Reply #14 on: July 02, 2018, 12:57:15 PM »
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  • 2.  Feminism pits men and women against each other.


    No, feminism pits women against men ONLY!  It is the false idea that men are the problem, by blaming men for the authority, duty and governing role that God ordained.  Feminism is a corruption of the peace and stability of marriage/society just as Eve’s rebellion corrupted the peace and stability of Eden.

    Men are only corrupted by accepting the error that women can do that which God has not ordained.  Yet, men will only accept feminism when it comes from a woman, just like Adam wouldn’t have accepted the apple from Satan, but only from Eve.

    Feminism corrupts women first, then the women corrupt the men.  In the US, Feminism started in the 1800s with the rise of women and prohibition, then it continued with the roaring 20s, then to women’s sufferage, birth control, divorce, abortion, equality in the workplace and education, etc.  

    5. Women need to be alert to feminism within ourselves and constantly fighting against it.

    At this point in society, we’re way past the ALERT phase.  It’s in a full-blown warning mode.  Crisis mode.  Immediate danger mode.  

    Most all women are infected and have been for 2-3 generations.  THe more men that are infected, (which is growing), the more society is sunk.  
    I disagree, respectfully! with your response to point #2.  While feminism may have started out as primarily women against men, the natural response of men has been to oppose women.  In fact, in some ways, feminism is more harmful to men over the long run.  Men are intended by God to be the leaders, but feminism has emasculated them.  

     

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