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Offline solemnitysunday

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« on: March 31, 2013, 10:44:19 PM »
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  • So my wife and I are very conservative, but I wanted to see what other people on this board thought of this subject. In a lot of ways, we are a reversal of the usual Traditionalist family: she is an attorney who makes more than $150,000 per year, while I make around $40,000 doing a job that I love (and at this point with no way of moving to a more lucrative career, for what it's worth). We have always planned on having a family, and I have always planned on staying home and homeschooling the kids. It's just what I have always wanted to do, especially having been home-schooled myself (my wife was not). Also, for what it's worth, we met in college, and my wife has always been interested in a career outside the home, and has no interest staying at home. On the other hand, I have always really wanted to stay at home in order to raise our children with our core values, and especially to be able to focus on their academic development from an early age. I might also add that I most enjoy spending time at home, cooking is my favorite hobby, and I would find great personal fulfillment in this.

    We have never really talked about this with other Traditionalists. One day, though, we realized that such a situation had never occurred within our community (NY state)-- there are only stay-at-home moms, which of course I realize is the norm, and which I appreciated from my own childhood. But I really just want to see what people view as the Traditionalist perspective on this hypothetical family arrangement (we don't have children yet!).


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    « Reply #1 on: March 31, 2013, 11:08:07 PM »
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  • Your staying home isn't ideal, but it's much better if a dad stays home than no one at all.  Your family will benefit a great deal.  A big thing to consider is if YOU can handle it ego wise.  If you are secure enough in your manhood, then I don't see anything wrong.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 31, 2013, 11:11:53 PM »
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  • I worry for your future as a traditional catholic family if your wife 'isn't interested in staying home.'  

    In theory, there's probably a defense that could be made for this but the effort going about it seems to be better put into reversing your inversion.  

    Not to mention the example it sets for the kids when, at least practically speaking, your family is benefiting and living off of feminism.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #3 on: March 31, 2013, 11:13:48 PM »
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  • The reversed marriage roles in your marriage contradict what the Catechism of the Council of Trent teaches:

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    Duties Of A Husband:
     
    “It is the duty of the husband to treat his wife generously and honourably. It should not be forgotten that Eve was called by Adam his companion. The woman, he says, whom thou gavest me as a companion. Hence it was, according to the opinion of some of the holy Fathers, that she was  formed not from the feet but from the side of man; as, on the other hand, she was not formed from his head, in order to give her to understand that it was not hers to command but to obey her husband.

    The husband should also be constantly occupied in some honest pursuit with a view to provide necessaries for the support of his family and to avoid idleness, the root of almost every vice.
     
    He is also to keep all his family in order, to correct their morals, and see that they faithfully discharge their duties.”
     
    Duties of a Wife:
     
    “On the other hand, the duties of a wife are thus summed up by the Prince of the Apostles: Let wives be subject to their husbands. That if any believe not the word, they may be one without the word by the conversation of the wives, considering your chaste conversation with fear. Let not their adorning be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel: but the hidden man of the heart in the incorruptibility of a quiet and meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God. For after this manner heretofore the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands, as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling hint lord.
     
    To train their children in the practice of virtue and to pay particular attention to their domestic concerns should also be especial objects of their attention. The wife should love to remain at home, unless compelled by necessity to go out; and she should never presume to leave home without her husband’s consent.
     
    Again, and in this the conjugal union chiefly consists, let wives never forget that next to God they are to love their husbands, to esteem them above all others, yielding to them in all things not inconsistent with Christian piety, a willing and ready obedience.”


    Also, Pope Pius XI said that the notion of the mother working outside the home without necessity is Communistic in origin:

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    “Communism is particularly characterized by the rejection of any link that binds the woman to the family and the home, and her emancipation is proclaimed as a basic principle.”- Pope Pius XI


    Your wife needs to forget about her career and stay home with her children. As the man, it is your duty to bring home the money, as the Catholic Church has clearly taught.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 01, 2013, 01:19:49 AM »
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  • Talk to a priest.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 01, 2013, 06:27:18 AM »
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  • Among the reasons already posted, your situation will be regretted by all involved - just give it a little time.

    As a past employer myself, be assured that the first to regret it will be your employer for losing a worker, the next will be her employer for losing a worker, not only every time she become pregnant, but during her pregnancy she will have sick days she would not normally have and poor performance issues that are directly due to her condition - so her clients regret it too - and all this will place additional burdens on the everyone else in the office - then there's the 12 weeks after the birth she can be off. No matter how nice the boss may be, the list of regrets for the employer is a long one I assure you.
     
    Nothing major in all of this but as a past employer myself, it was such a burden that I stopped hiring women of child bearing age altogether for that reason. It is nothing but a total and gigantic pain in the neck for any employer to deal with who is just trying to run a business. All this is really miniscule in the scheme of things, just the tip of the iceberg if you will.

    Next, one of the reasons divorce is so prevalent is because of women in the workplace. Stuff happens.

    Live on your salary, do your job as husband and father, not husband and mother for the sake of money.




       
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    « Reply #6 on: April 01, 2013, 10:26:05 AM »
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  • The same question, rephrased:  Should I rent my wife out to work for another man for money?
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed

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    « Reply #7 on: April 01, 2013, 10:40:31 AM »
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  • The good advice here (from Mythrandylan and Stubborn) is probably going to sound harsh, but you have to remember:

    God always forgives.
    Man sometimes forgives.
    Nature never forgives.

    The concept of the MAN doing the breadwinning and the woman keeping the house and raising children is not just

    My opinion
    The custom of those "rad-trads"
    The opinion of the Catholic Church or the Pope
    etc.

    but rather a fundamental element of human nature, which can only be manipulated at your peril. Nature fights back. Messing with Nature involves consequences, which some men can see, while others cannot.

    As was mentioned, the enemies of God that invented Communism know just how to destroy the current order, so they can create their own "order" in its place. One of those tenets (which you can read in books or online -- their aims and goals are hardly secret) is to "emancipate" women, so they no longer need a man for anything. Ultimately they want to break up the family, and thereby destroy the current (capitalist, private ownership) society.

    They want to make women dissatisfied with a life spent at home with the children. Mission accomplished in many cases, including your wife. Sorry to say, but I assume you're interested in the truth here.

    I recommend you meditate on those 3 sentences:

    God always forgives - You could theoretically be a stay-at-home Dad without sin, though it would be much more difficult and God probably doesn't will that for you.

    Man sometimes forgives - There would probably be consequences from various human elements. But some would be OK with it.

    Nature never forgives - Here is where the real hit would take place. Your children would get a bad example of proper family life, your male talents/tendencies would ultimately rebel from your position of "mother", and your wife would have similar problems.

    So even if God (by avoiding sin) and society (man) gave your plan a stamp of approval, you could never hope for Nature to go easy on you.
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    « Reply #8 on: April 01, 2013, 10:46:02 AM »
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  • Don't let the Bad Guys (who write most movies and TV shows) fool you --

    You can't *totally* reconfigure men and women with zero consequences.

    You can only twist and change the fundamental reality of human nature so far. Nature eventually strikes back.

    For example, it's in women's NATURE to be nurturing and to want to take care of their babies. Those who make themselves attain a "career" and ignore/demote being a mother probably treat their career like a baby, on a psychological level.
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    « Reply #9 on: April 01, 2013, 10:49:01 AM »
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  • I would also advise that you not fall into the trap of

    Money = happiness

    and its corollary:

    More money = more happiness


    It's more important to live according to nature and God's design -- that will bring much more happiness than a much of stuff imported from China, some vacations, nice cars, and a bigger house than you need.

    Those things are highly overrated.

    Going to Disneyland once a year with your 1 or 2 children is no substitute for daily life with your (hopefully larger) family. Look at the statistics for young people in America today. Despression, ѕυιcιdє, rebellion, etc. -- they would rather have less money and have their mother at home, acting like they are important and loved. Children instinctively know what true love is -- and isn't.

    When the mom stays at home, it's not just a matter of having less money. When she's at home, there is no added cost whenever a new child is added to the family:

    increased daycare costs
    more lost work
    etc.

    Why do you think most couples today stop at 2 children?

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    « Reply #10 on: April 01, 2013, 10:59:20 AM »
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  • Thanks so much to everyone for taking the time to respond! I just wanted to chime in to let people know I am eagerly checking the thread for responses. I think I'm going to wait a little bit longer before I begin to respond to people as I want to just hear what people have to say without leading them in any way!


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    « Reply #11 on: April 01, 2013, 11:05:01 AM »
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  • My wife and I married long before finding tradition.  We were your typical Novus Ordo couple--and attending Mass was important, but on those rare occasions when it was just simply too inconvenient, you can imagine what gave way.  Our plans were to do as all good red-blooded Americans do:  We were both going to have our careers and let the daycare and the publics schools raise the children (though, at the time, we wouldn't have quite put it that way).

    Through a coincidental series of circuмstances in our lives, the fall in which my eldest daughter would begin "compulsory education" (as if she hadn't ever learned anything before), I found my self without gainful employment while my wife had an income.  For the past 14 years I have homeschooled children.  My eldest is now a postulant in the CMRI in Spokane, Washington, I have another child graduating in May and several more on down the line.

    Is it the ideal situation?  No.  My wife would much rather be home.  Is it an acceptable situation?  Yes.  It has worked.  Additionally, I know of at least three other families in virtually the same situation.  None of us actually intended that this would be a way of life, but all of us have made it work.  (One familiy in a similar situation has a son in the SSPX seminary in Winona).

    I can't say that your situation will work.  But I can say that most of us (but not all) who have made it work were Novus Ordo when we began our individual situation and found tradition later.  If your wife fully embraces tradition, I believe it can absolutely work.  This, in any event, is my personal experience.  I wish you success in your spiritual and temporal lives.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 01, 2013, 11:15:21 AM »
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  • How will her career as a lawyer be affected by having 5-8 children?  

    What type of law does she practice?

    How long have you been married?

    Are you both equally committed to living as traditionalists every day?

    Are you the head of the family or does your wife make the decisions because of her economic power over you?

    Do you lead your wife in the daily Rosary?

    Just questions that I think help to flesh out the picture.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 01, 2013, 02:14:28 PM »
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  • The OP "planned" on having a family?

    Am I misreading or misinterpreting this?


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    « Reply #14 on: April 01, 2013, 02:20:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    How will her career as a lawyer be affected by having 5-8 children?  



    That's the one I would think would be the most difficult. You don't usually make $150,000+ because you have a low-stress, low-time-consuming career. How do you keep up with that when you're pregnant about 50% of your life below age 40? Although, perhaps she's pretty far along in age already and they aren't expecting many children to even be a possibility.
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