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Offline rum

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Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
« on: May 01, 2018, 10:40:31 PM »
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  • A thing I've never been able to get my head around is that traditional Catholics are small in number and they're the only Catholics who have an inkling of what's going on in the Church. They're dealing with problems for which there's no protocol. Most of the canonized never had to manage such dire straits. This should mark them as some of the most exceptional Catholics who have ever lived. Most of them should radiate holiness. A good portion of them should be canonization material. But most of them don't seem exceptional.

    I remember when JayneK was Judaizing on various forums and trying to get the non-Judaized banned (she doesn't seem to do it anymore, at least overtly). Hardly anyone on these forums had a problem with her for that. They usually disliked her for her anti-feminism or her mini-modding. On SuscipeDomine the most popular member is a guy named ggreg (he recently quit posting), a major Judaizer and all-around creep, assaulting you with minutia to bury the bigger picture. On Fisheaters (which still attracts people who view themselves as traditional Catholics) you have a degenerate owner promoting all sorts of perversions. 

    There's the SSPX. Three of the four men Archbishop Lefevbre consecrated bishops turned out to be duds.

    That such types could flourish among traditional Catholics is mind-boggling. It just makes me scratch my head. You'd hope that with such a small group of Catholics there'd be cohesion and such impenetrability that such types would not be able to make inroads.

    Any of you ever wonder the same thing?
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    Offline trad123

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    Re: Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
    « Reply #1 on: May 01, 2018, 10:58:05 PM »
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  • May God grant me the grace to be one of His holy duds. ;D

    At times, I can be an exceptional dishwasher.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
    « Reply #2 on: May 02, 2018, 12:20:38 AM »
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  • CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:

     

    They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

     

    They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
    « Reply #3 on: May 02, 2018, 08:51:04 AM »
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  • I remember when JayneK was Judaizing on various forums and trying to get the non-Judaized banned (she doesn't seem to do it anymore, at least overtly). Hardly anyone on these forums had a problem with her for that. They usually disliked her for her anti-feminism or her mini-modding. 
    Perhaps people were patiently making allowances for the sorts of errors that someone new to Tradition is prone to make.  After all, most trads are aware of how unlikely one is to have been exposed in the Novus Ordo to good teaching on Judaism.

    If people were charitably giving me a chance to grow out of it (as I did), then arguably that is an example of the exceptional behaviour you are looking for.

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    Re: Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
    « Reply #4 on: May 02, 2018, 09:11:43 AM »
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  • I found an old thread that illustrates what I was talking about.  It's got lots of me writing dumb things and people kindly and patiently instructing me.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/catholicism-and-antisemitism/


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    Re: Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
    « Reply #5 on: May 02, 2018, 05:58:33 PM »
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  • Let's hope that your conversion is sincere. People who are learning keep quiet and learn. They aren't aggressive towards those not teaching error on the Jєωs. I hope the reason you gave up is because you learned some things, and not just because you were failing to make inroads with your Judaizing.

    Have your Jєωιѕн family members disowned you? Have you told them they're going to Hell if they don't convert? Have you told them the h0Ɩ0cαųst is a fraud?

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    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND Jєωιѕн CONVERTS

    It was not many months ago that the public press carried a news release from Tel Aviv which stated that a certain Portuguese Jєω, by the name of Jacob Amalak, was currently visiting the state of Israel in order to hire rabbis whom he would bring back to the Jєωιѕн communities in Portugal. The article explained that in the last few years several thousands of Portuguese Marranos (Jєωs who have become Catholics) have reverted to Judaism. What is more, at least three thousand of these Marranos are from families which have been formally Catholic for the past four centuries, but have perpetuated, in secret, their Jєωιѕн doctrine and rituals.

    For nineteen hundred years, now, the Jєω has been to the Church a conscious and sustained cause of anxiety. And, ultimately considered, the worry has been less for the obstinate, тαℓмυdic, controllable-in-a-ghetto Jєω, than for the baptized one, the Jєω whom the Church has established as a Christian, and set free in the Christians’ world.

    Only by realizing that the Church has had, equivalently, to adopt a “fingers-crossed” attitude toward most Jєωιѕн converts, is it possible to understand her historic inertia in the matter of apostolate to the Jєωs. Indeed, our traditions have, in the past, led not merely to hesitancy in evangelizing the Jєωs, they have discouraged all but the most guarded contact with them. His Holiness, Pope Innocent III, was thus echoing the common sentiment of Christendom when, in speaking about the Jєωs, he warned, “They repay their hosts, as the proverb says, after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or the burning brand in one’s lap.”

    If the Portuguese Jєωs we mentioned at the outset are rather a remote illustration of what Pope Innocent meant, we propose to our readers the recent and devastatingly apropos case of the American Jєωιѕн convert, Leon Paul. Writing last month in Columbia, the official publication of the Knights of Columbus, Mr. Paul seems almost to have anticipated us and to have reasoned that the surest way to escape being called “a snake in the bosom” is to establish, ahead of time, that the bosom is a snake, too. To accomplish this, he proceeds to explain that the Blessed Virgin, the Mother of God, is a Jєωιѕн convert, just like Leon Paul!

    Mr. Paul leaves it to his readers to resolve the serpentine innuendoes in his statement. He fails to tell us, for example, at just which point in her life the Virginal Mother of God, chosen from all eternity as the bride of the Holy Ghost, immaculately conceived in the womb of Saint Ann, could be said to be without the Faith, and at just which point she received it.

    Ultimately, in any discussion of the Church’s astringent outlook on the Jєωs and their conversion, there are these two questions: Isn’t it possible for a Jєω to be sincerely converted and save his soul? Isn’t the Jєωιѕн nation going to be converted toward the end of the world?

    To neither question does the Church answer with a rousingly affirmative, “Of course!” To both questions, her answer is a deliberate, thoughtful, “Yes.”

    We have seen what gives the Church pause with regard to the individual Jєωιѕн convert, as she has known him down the centuries. Here, briefly, is why the Church has never been over-enthusiastic about the pending conversion of the Jєωιѕн nation. She has traditionally taught that (1) the conversion of the Jєωs will take place at the very end of the world; that (2) its primary purpose will be for a triumph over the Jєωs, the triumph of Christ, their rightful and long-rejected king; and that (3) to bring about this conversion, God will have to send Saint Elias, who will find it necessary to preach, die, and resurrect (to the accompaniment of some very persuasive earthquakes) before the Jєωs finally accept the Catholic Faith.


    --https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-point-september-1954/

    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
    « Reply #6 on: May 02, 2018, 08:56:01 PM »
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  • Let's hope that your conversion is sincere. People who are learning keep quiet and learn

    In hindsight, I now realize that this is what I should have been doing.  Unfortunately, when I first came to tradition I thought that my theology degree meant that I knew more than most trads.  I had no clue about how contaminated with modernism I had been.  I really regret how arrogant and opinionated I was in my earlier years on trad forums.  I hope I do better now.

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    Re: Traditional Catholics Should Be Exceptional
    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2018, 02:22:56 AM »
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