The premise is still the same.  Ideally true charity is unconditional.  

These emotional touchy-feely threads are hard to follow.  I don't know whether we're talking about schooling children, women wearing slacks "hiding" in Walmart isles who Matthew apparently mistakenly thought were ashamed (I still don't know why he thought that   ), what BTNYC thought Impy was talking about, or just simply about the pitiful single mom whose husband works 90 hrs/wk.  The OP couldn't even keep up with the tangents that she was responsible for.  I hope this thread is at least good to demonstrate that hard prudence should prevail in deciding where your children go to school and who they associate with rather than irrational touchy-feely emotion, as it isn't good for anything else.

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Thanks Mabel you hit the nail on the head.  Sometimes the truth hurts.  Yes Matthew I am a Traditional Catholic for almost 30 years now. I did misspeak when I said "single mom" what I should have said was a mom who single handedly home schools her children b/ c her husband works. I know this woman.  Sorry if you think her valiant and heroic attempt to raise her kids the best way she can is fictitious. Please say a prayer for her.

I've taken the pilgrimage to Mecca (St.Mary's) and saw "Catholic" kids being rude to each other in the schoolyard.   I've seen the moms come pick up their kids and observed the moms with pants waiting for the kids to run to  the car while moms in skirts got out of their cars and walked over to the sidewalk. Like it or not Traditional. Catholicism has a healthy share of phonys.

There are thousands, probably tens of thousands of good, loving, and kind teachers who teach in public schools.  Guess what there are three at our chapel alone.  That doesnt include the two men who are college professors. These good people do a great job!  Sure there are schools to be avoided and there are others to be embraced. There just is. Look at Dr. White, his influence at the Naval Academy was outstanding!  Believe me, the military academies are just prestigious public schools. The kids not to mention  Our Lord NEEDS good traditional Catholics to teach in these schools, to take them over, to restore them for His greater glory.  

We must work hard to RESTORE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST no matter how bleak it may seem.  All things are possible with faith in God and trust in His divine providence.  

There is SO much in this post I have to respond to.

1. Yes, "The truth hurts", but don't kid yourself -- uncharitable/unjust accusation and slander hurt just as much :)  So don't assume that just because you hurt someone it's "only the truth" that did it.

2. You don't have to take me to task for thinking a woman is "fictitious" after you admit you made a mistake which made her seem fictitious. Understand? If I thought she was fictitious it was *only* because you said something that made her seem impossible, like a square circle. A single mom with a husband is a contradiction in terms. Just apologize for your mistake and move on. You don't proceed to accuse someone of being "incredulous" when you practically forced them to be.

3. You don't address the point of WHY those pants-wearing women feel ashamed in their pants. It's like they know they're doing something less-than-ideal.

4. I found something I agree with you about: St. Mary's. I think there are a lot of phony people there. I know that for a fact. One of the families I mentioned (who moved there) told me that on the phone. Even though he and his wife are social butterflies, they had a hard time finding a few friends after 5 years. I have said for years that many Trads have issues (I mentioned that just a couple posts ago!) and I'm very upset with Trads that are rude, judgmental, etc.

5. You are still imprudent and naive. You say I don't trust in providence; I say you are tempting God.

6. To elaborate point #5, public schools are NOT to be embraced under ANY circuмstances. You are extremely naive. I don't care how many good teachers or good Catholics work there. We're not talking about private tutors, private schools, or One-Room Schoolhouses. Public school teachers have to teach Common Core, or whatever curriculum the National Education Association dictates in their State. They have to teach evolution, sex ed, and bad literature. And regardless of the teachers, it's the pagan culture all around them -- the students -- that are the problem. Plus the enforced materialism and atheism that pervades all subjects taught. You think that has no effect on vulnerable, growing minds?

7. In conclusion, I see why I disagree with you so much. You believe it's OK to send your kids to public school. That is something that would pretty much CROSS OFF a family from my list of potential friends. There is nothing a homeschooling family and a public school family could have in common. Both the kids and the parents would be worlds apart as far as lifestyle and attitudes.

8. I would have to leave final judgment to God and the advice of your traditional priest, but I would have serious misgivings about the state of soul of a person who could send their children to public school in a city like Sodom. And that's where we live, remember. The world is not just a bit flawed, in need of a bit of leaven -- no, it's hopelessly lost. This is 2014, not 1950. The world today is worse than before the Great Flood. A bit of Catholic influence is not going to turn things around. People aren't just supernaturally "insane", they have lost even the NATURAL LAW in many cases. Satan hasn't just blown up the edifice of Faith; even the foundations have been damaged!

When my parents went to school (in the 1960's) there was still a lot of natural sanity and decency left in the World. Just read that famous e-mail forward about the 1950's vs. Today and you'll see what I mean. Today we have co-ed sex education, scantily clad teenage girls, and every other evil. And it's about to get worse with Common Core.

Nice post.

I'm of the opinion that all Lobster tastes like rubber, but I've never eaten one.

Well your opinion isn't worth much then, is it?

I on the other hand, went to public school for 12 years and I know plenty of other people in my family and friends who did. I have been interested in this issue for decades, to the point that I've talked about it every chance I got, plus read every article about it I could get my hands on. I'm an unofficial expert.

Schools vary by a small percentage. You might have an above-average teacher here, a smaller class size there, a slightly more conservative school there.

But some criticisms apply to all of them (100%):

* non-denominational/atheist.
* Teach evolution and Science rather than God as creator
* enforced relativism, liberalism, feminism, multiculturalism throughout all subjects taught
* are co-ed far beyond age 6 or 7, when boys & girls need to split up for the sake of academics as well as morality
* girls wear shorts and short skirts, especially the cheerleaders. Great way to tempt boys and distract them from their studies
* co-ed, graphic sex education is mandatory in 100% of schools, and parents CAN'T opt out.
* One of the COUNTLESS errors taught: overpopulation myth and the need to limit children for the sake of the earth. You are *not* allowed to dissent from this. High School freshmen are all shown a video of a woman giving birth, which (naturally) scares all the girls present. About half of them decide right then and there they won't ever have kids -- and the funny thing is, MANY of them seem to stick to their decision!
* aforementioned sex ed is not allowed to condemn abortion, birth control, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, or any other perverted sɛҳuąƖity.
* In most schools, condoms are distributed to boys at the same time pads/tampons to girls -- let's see... one of those is necessary, the other is mortally sinful.
* Since they are co-ed, they can only cater to the female brain OR the male brain. They are different. (What, did you think the only difference was "plumbing"?) Well, it turns out that a long time ago the public schools went with "female". That's why girls do better in school and college.
* schools are now institutions of propaganda, to teach students to not stick out. No child will go through school today without several "terror drills" and possibly, if they're real unlucky, they might get a loaded gun pointed at them and be traumatized for life by a real SWAT team.
* Now all the pagan kids have cell phones. These are used to arrange dates/relationships as young as 8, bullying, etc. Even if your child doesn't have one, if he has JUST ONE FRIEND that means he can be "reached" by the girls in his class. Oh, and 99% of his classmates have cell phones with unlocked Internet access. That includes porn sites. Don't think your child's innocence is safe for a minute.

In conclusion, this isn't your (or your mom's) public school experience. It's much worse in 2014.

We had a member here who always called public schools "Government schools". It has a much more accurate sound to it -- it conveys the communistic, propaganda-infused, evil nature they possess.

The "pagan culture" around us is *much worse* than it was in the 1980's or the 1950's. We've sunk much lower, and at the same time we have more technology thrown into the mix to throw parents off-balance (cell phones, cell phone Internet service) and so forth.

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I'm of the opinion that all Lobster tastes like rubber, but I've never eaten one.

Well your opinion isn't worth much then, is it?

I on the other hand, went to public school for 12 years and I know plenty of other people in my family and friends who did. I have been interested in this issue for decades, to the point that I've talked about it every chance I got, plus read every article about it I could get my hands on. I'm an unofficial expert.

Schools vary by a small percentage. You might have an above-average teacher here, a smaller class size there, a slightly more conservative school there.

But some criticisms apply to all of them (100%):

* non-denominational/atheist.
* Teach evolution and Science rather than God as creator
* enforced relativism, liberalism, feminism, multiculturalism throughout all subjects taught
* are co-ed far beyond age 6 or 7, when boys & girls need to split up for the sake of academics as well as morality
* girls wear shorts and short skirts, especially the cheerleaders. Great way to tempt boys and distract them from their studies
* co-ed, graphic sex education is mandatory in 100% of schools, and parents CAN'T opt out.
* One of the COUNTLESS errors taught: overpopulation myth and the need to limit children for the sake of the earth. You are *not* allowed to dissent from this. High School freshmen are all shown a video of a woman giving birth, which (naturally) scares all the girls present. About half of them decide right then and there they won't ever have kids -- and the funny thing is, MANY of them seem to stick to their decision!
* aforementioned sex ed is not allowed to condemn abortion, birth control, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, or any other perverted sɛҳuąƖity.
* In most schools, condoms are distributed to boys at the same time pads/tampons to girls -- let's see... one of those is necessary, the other is mortally sinful.
* Since they are co-ed, they can only cater to the female brain OR the male brain. They are different. (What, did you think the only difference was "plumbing"?) Well, it turns out that a long time ago the public schools went with "female". That's why girls do better in school and college.
* schools are now institutions of propaganda, to teach students to not stick out. No child will go through school today without several "terror drills" and possibly, if they're real unlucky, they might get a loaded gun pointed at them and be traumatized for life by a real SWAT team.
* Now all the pagan kids have cell phones. These are used to arrange dates/relationships as young as 8, bullying, etc. Even if your child doesn't have one, if he has JUST ONE FRIEND that means he can be "reached" by the girls in his class. Oh, and 99% of his classmates have cell phones with unlocked Internet access. That includes porn sites. Don't think your child's innocence is safe for a minute.

In conclusion, this isn't your (or your mom's) public school experience. It's much worse in 2014.

We had a member here who always called public schools "Government schools". It has a much more accurate sound to it -- it conveys the communistic, propaganda-infused, evil nature they possess.

The "pagan culture" around us is *much worse* than it was in the 1980's or the 1950's. We've sunk much lower, and at the same time we have more technology thrown into the mix to throw parents off-balance (cell phones, cell phone Internet service) and so forth.

Wow!   :applause:

Quote from: Ekim

They claim it's because they are protecting and growing a strong Catholic faith when in reality they are hiding and sheltering themselves from the very world that God created for them.  They lack trust in divine providence and really have very little faith at all, leaving no room at their table for a tax collector or prostitute.

When you've arrived at the point where you can't see the myriad of reasons people have to do what they do and presume the one and only reason is something lacking in that person, you are being very judgemental.

I was thinking about this and I often find that people shun me because I am more conservative and not as liberal as they are in my own Trad Chapel.

Absent very special graces, in my practical experience a "good" person is much more likely to degrade his habits by associating with "bad" people than for the revers to happen.

   
St. Paul agrees with you.

1 Corinthians 15:33
Be not seduced: Evil communications corrupt good manners.

ALL public schools are going to tolerate OR promote interracial "dating," tolerate OR promote fαɢɢօtry, prohibit self-defense, teach evolution, encourage children to tell the least little thing that may bring the state (CPS) into their home life (i.e., I have my own gun, I know where daddy's guns are, I have my own bugout bag, I still have a tiny little red mark on my behind from my spanking last night, etc.).  I could go on with many more evils, but I am back from vacation this morning and have work to do.

But if you're into sex, drugs, & rock-n-roll, you'll find plenty of that in public schools.  Being only slightly flippid with that statement.  But sex will definitely be on the agenda.

Look online at the student/parent handbook for whatever public school that you think is so great or at least tolerable.  Then you should see the systematic evil that I am speaking of.