Ideally that is correct but in reality there are plenty of 50 somethings who have been victims of Natural Family Planning and contraception from their previous Novus Ordo parishes that do have empty nests.  Yes in my 30 years of Traditional Catholicism I've met quite a few.

After 40 years of Vatican II some are no longer new to tradition, just victims.  One couple I know use to give NFP classes at their local church back in the late 80's.  Now they teach the dangers of NFP.  They say not having more children is their biggest regret, duped by their NO priest.

After 40 years of Vatican II some are no longer new to tradition, just victims.  One couple I know use to give NFP classes at their local church back in the late 80's.  Now they teach the dangers of NFP.  They say not having more children is their biggest regret, duped by their NO priest.

What do you consider "new"? You can't go back 40 years because then they'd have children at home at age 50. A 50-y-o would have to be trad for less than 10-15 years in order to have an empty nest.

I do know *plenty* who have empty nests b/c they were victims as you say, but they're either relatively new to Tradition (<10yrs) or they're in their 60s and 70s (and older). Still others were abandoned by their spouse years ago. These are the people that keep our chapel humming along because they have the time to do so. I don't see them keeping to themselves, quite the contrary. They shuttle people to Mass whereas I don't have a single seat empty in my vehicle; they welcome newcomers; they keep the coffee, donuts, and lemonade stocked and ready. : ) Oh, and they ARE our Legion of Mary chapter with very little exception.

I don't know what sort of private schools you and Matthew are speaking of.  I strongly suspect Ekim is speaking of protestant schools as he hasn't clarified for me yet.  Schools are either going to be devoid of religion which isn't acceptable for Catholics, or they're going to engage in some form of religion practicing.  For Catholics, any sort of blended non-denominational crap is unacceptable.  Thus, I don't see how any private school that isn't Catholic can be acceptable to Catholic parents.

I'm not speaking for Ekim's example here as he said it was a public school and hasn't mentioned private school AFAIK. (The confusion being that one doesn't normally have the liberty to "shop" through 15 different public schools and would almost certainly end up with children in 3 different schools, not one.)

However, I don't believe a non-denominational private school is nearly as bad as the other options. There's a family here who I hope to become increasingly better friends with. The children will be enrolled this year in a classical academy. They so far seem to me to have an above-average understanding of the Faith which I presume will continue to be taught at home. While I'd much prefer to see another homeschooling family in the area, I'm certainly not going to shun them for choosing this school and hope that it works out for them. The school is new, so its reputation is a blank slate except that it's a spin-off from another state. Time will tell what sort of students populate this school, but even in the best of situations, our hypothetical friendship will forever be limited b/c (1) we don't live very close to each other and (2) our flexible time is mostly during the day while they are in school.

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I don't know what sort of private schools you and Matthew are speaking of.  I strongly suspect Ekim is speaking of protestant schools as he hasn't clarified for me yet.  Schools are either going to be devoid of religion which isn't acceptable for Catholics, or they're going to engage in some form of religion practicing.  For Catholics, any sort of blended non-denominational crap is unacceptable.  Thus, I don't see how any private school that isn't Catholic can be acceptable to Catholic parents.

I'm not speaking for Ekim's example here as he said it was a public school and hasn't mentioned private school AFAIK. (The confusion being that one doesn't normally have the liberty to "shop" through 15 different public schools and would almost certainly end up with children in 3 different schools, not one.)

However, I don't believe a non-denominational private school is nearly as bad as the other options. There's a family here who I hope to become increasingly better friends with. The children will be enrolled this year in a classical academy. They so far seem to me to have an above-average understanding of the Faith which I presume will continue to be taught at home. While I'd much prefer to see another homeschooling family in the area, I'm certainly not going to shun them for choosing this school and hope that it works out for them. The school is new, so its reputation is a blank slate except that it's a spin-off from another state. Time will tell what sort of students populate this school, but even in the best of situations, our hypothetical friendship will forever be limited b/c (1) we don't live very close to each other and (2) our flexible time is mostly during the day while they are in school.

One of my close friends had the misfortune of being entangled with CPS and being very poor. She opted to move to the closest school district that was small and rural. I'd never tell her we couldn't be friends because of this, and I know that given the option she would love to stay home take care of the family and homeschool. I truly feel awful for anyone unfortunate to get caught in the web of the state.

Two charter Schools w/in a 20 mile radius were started in the last five years from homeschool co-operative's.  One in particular has the unique feature of classroom education Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and home assignments Tuesday and Thursday.

Still not quite sure what this has to do with the threads topic though.

I'm of the opinion that all Lobster tastes like rubber, but I've never eaten one.

I understand. Thanks.