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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Last Tradhican on March 20, 2018, 12:02:46 PM
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There are two worlds out there, the City of Man and the City of God (I will refer here to the City of Man as the world). As a traditional Catholic it is a great blunder, the most hazardous mistake, to mix the two worlds. Yet this is exactly what I see the young people (some parents as old under 45) undertaking, mixing the two worlds. This is what I call brackish waters, the place where the fresh waters of a river meet with the salt waters of oceans and they mix. The water becomes undrinkable. You can't mix the two worlds!
Here are some examples of young trads mixing worlds, playing in the brackish waters:
- A young "trad" girl outside of mass, dresses like all the girls of the world, in short shorts, spandex leggings as pants, tight blue jeans, tight tank tops with exposed belly, bikini.... She has always been allowed to play with boys. She flirts with the boys, and eventually kisses, and everything else that slowly happens and one day she becomes pregnant because she was taught not to use contraceptives. There's the mixing of the two worlds, the parents allowed her to play with boys like the world does. The parents allowed her to dress provocatively like the world does. The parents allowed her to flirt like the world does. The young girl kissed and hugged and everything else slowly lead to pregnancy. All, just like the world does, except she omitted the one thing that makes what the world does possible, contraceptives. There she did as God commands.
- Now the young girl is pregnant, and the parents will act as Catholics for this event and tell her not to abort the child (the world would just abort the child), kill the baby). Now she is a single mother. Some trad girls I've known have gone through this having 2 or more children!
- More mixing takes place: The parents convince the boy that he must marry their daughter and the boy obliges. The girl has two more children with him, and he divorces her and she is left single for the rest of her life if she acts as a Catholic, or she re-marries outside the church (like the world). One day she dies in an accident while still living in a "happy" adulterous second marriage and she goes to hell.
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Now she is a single mother, but what brought this about?
1) What brought it about was that their mother taught them that it is OK to mix the two worlds. Their mother dressed the same way as they allowed their daughters to dress. Their mother did the same things their daughter did when they were themselves single (played in the brackish waters), except they did not get pregnant and they found a husband (They dodged the bullet).
2) They allowed her to play with boys.
Had the parents been completely of the world they would have taught their daughter how to play the game. You can't play the game without contraceptives and abortions.
Had the parents been completely of the City of God they would not have allowed their daughter to play with boys, not allowed their daughter to dress like the world, and not allowed their daughter to flirt and attract boys like the world.
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The German soldiers who were stationed on U-boats sometimes had to make do with sea water for drinking.
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This is what I call brackish waters, the place where the fresh waters of a river meet with the salt waters of oceans and they mix. The water becomes undrinkable. You can't mix the two worlds!
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The few that survived (two-thirds of them died at sea) reported that the coffee was so terrible they could hardly drink it.
But that was all they had to drink, so sometimes drink it they must.
Plus, coffee removes some of the ill effects of sea water. Something to keep in mind! (Sailors' secrets)
The early U-boats only had one head for the entire crew, and when submerged they could not flush it.
The air inside the submarine became worse than in an out-house, so seawater coffee wasn't so terrible as breathing.
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The German soldiers who were stationed on U-boats sometimes had to make do with sea water for drinking.
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The few that survived (two-thirds of them died at sea) reported that the coffee was so terrible they could hardly drink it.
But that was all they had to drink, so sometimes drink it they must.
Plus, coffee removes some of the ill effects of sea water. Something to keep in mind! (Sailors' secrets)
The early U-boats only had one head for the entire crew, and when submerged they could not flush it.
The air inside the submarine became worse than in an out-house, so seawater coffee wasn't so terrible as breathing.
People who came over from Cuba on rafts sometimes had to drink their urine. One man, in WWII, jumped from his plane at 20,000 feet with no parachute and he survived. Your example is inline with the fact that some people can dodge the bullet, but that does not mean it is fine to drink saltwater and urine and jumping off planes parachuteless.
What brought it about was that their mother taught them that it is OK to mix the two worlds. Their mother dressed the same way as they allowed their daughters to dress. Their mother did the same things their daughter did when they were themselves single (played in the brackish waters), except they did not get pregnant and they found a husband (They dodged the bullet).
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You have the World, and you have Catholics living the faith 100%, and everything in between. Some people in the world are heading toward the Catholic Faith lived, and you have some people in the Catholic Church heading toward the world.
The people who come from the world and ultimately become Traditional Catholics living the faith, become the most serious Catholics. They have lived in the world, "they have been there and done that" and are no longer fooled by the siren songs, the allures of the world. It is these people who are the most fervent in the faith, it is these people who would rather die than give up their faith, or even commit one sin.
The people who are born into traditional Catholicism or by way of having received it from their parents when they were young, are the ones that will be the most susceptible to mixing with the world (becoming Novus Ordo) or totally becoming of the world (becoming fallen away Catholics). This is because they know nothing of the bad side of the world, they fall for the siren songs and the allures.
Of the young people in my SSPX parish, some of whom are even parents of teenagers, I do not see many that will last as "traditionalist" for very long (and you can forget about their children). We are living in 1965 all over again, in every respect. The traditionalists of the future will come from the world.
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Of the young people in my SSPX parish, some of whom are even parents of teenagers, I do not see many that will last as "traditionalist" for very long (and you can forget about their children). We are living in 1965 all over again, in every respect. The traditionalists of the future will come from the world.
There are so many people also converting to Orthodoxy that maybe traditionalism as we know it will all but disappear and we will be replaced with traditionalism of the Eastern Christian beliefs. My contact with the Orthodox culture convinces me that they are growing at rapid rates and they shall out number us in no time at all. Even the parish my Orthodox friend goes to is made up almost entirely of ex-Roman Catholics, even all their priests are from the Novus Ordo, and it's a large parish.
So, don't dispare, while all of what you see is going the way of the world, so many others in greater numbers are finding piety in the light of orthodoxy.
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So, don't dispare, while all of what you see is going the way of the world, so many others in greater numbers are finding the light of orthodoxy.
Eastern Orthodoxy is like the Vatican II religion, just another gate of hell.
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In short, this is the age old problem, Catholics choosing not to drink exclusively from pure sweet fresh water but allowing themselves to mix in different degrees of saltwater all the way to drinking almost all salt water. One must only live in fresh water, and avoiding any degree of salt intrusion into their water, their lives.
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In short, this is the age old problem, Catholics choosing not to drink exclusively from pure sweet fresh water but allowing themselves to mix in different degrees of saltwater all the way to drinking almost all salt water. One must only live in fresh water, and avoiding any degree of salt intrusion into their water, their lives.
Obsess much?
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Traditional Catholicism of today isn’t the Traditional Catholicism of pre Vatican II.
Traditional Catholics of today have poor work ethics. Many parents are clueless on how to raise a family because many Traditional Catholic children are spoiled with many clothes and junk food. In the past, Catholic parents were strict and were more family oriented with grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins living near by and helping one another. Today, families are often isolated moving far away from families for various reasons. We had Catholic parishes nearby. 50 years later, not many chapels around as should be. And there 6-8 priests living in one location instead of having one priest to serve as a regular parish to save on fuel, time, tolls. It is impossible to serve the sick and other needs of a traditional Catholic community. Traditionally, on community had a priest to baptize until extreme unctions.
Priests and hierarchy of the past would be leading the way against nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr tyranny and poisonous jab instead of going along with it.
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Traditional Catholicism of today isn’t the Traditional Catholicism of pre Vatican II.
Traditional Catholics of today have poor work ethics. Many parents are clueless on how to raise a family because many Traditional Catholic children are spoiled with many clothes and junk food. In the past, Catholic parents were strict and were more family oriented with grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins living near by and helping one another. Today, families are often isolated moving far away from families for various reasons. We had Catholic parishes nearby. 50 years later, not many chapels around as should be. And there 6-8 priests living in one location instead of having one priest to serve as a regular parish to save on fuel, time, tolls. It is impossible to serve the sick and other needs of a traditional Catholic community. Traditionally, on community had a priest to baptize until extreme unctions.
Priests and hierarchy of the past would be leading the way against nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr tyranny and poisonous jab instead of going along with it.
Good point, back then we still had the safety net of churches on every corner manned by validly ordained old priest and Catholic schools and grandparents and relatives all around us. Nevertheless, unfortunately, the majority of Catholics fell away despite that safety net.. Today, we have no such safety net as you point out, so imagine what is going to happen if we do not take the matter into our own hands, home school and teach the children the faith and how to live a Catholic life?
Sister Lucy also said to me: “Father, we should not wait for an appeal to the world to come from Rome on the part of the Holy Father, to do penance. Nor should we wait for the call to penance to come from our bishops in our diocese, nor from the religious congregations. No! Our Lord has already very often used these means, and the world has not paid attention. That is why now, it is necessary for each one of us to begin to reform himself spiritually. Each person must not only save his own soul but also help to save all the souls that God has placed on our path.” (Lucia of Fatima 1957 interview with Fr. Augustin Fuentes)
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Of the young people in my SSPX parish, some of whom are even parents of teenagers, I do not see many that will last as "traditionalist" for very long (and you can forget about their children). We are living in 1965 all over again, in every respect. The traditionalists of the future will come from the world.
I can relate, LT...
When I grew up (born in 1975), we were fighting for truth and resisting all the changes in our novus ordo church. My folks were always intent on letting us know WHY we left the NO, and WHY we could never go back. It was discussed at length, on many occasions. There were many Sundays, and Holy Days we had no access to the sacraments, but Dad always told us it was part of the greater sacrifice. On those days we could not attend Mass, we read the Mass and prayed a rosary. It was tough at times, but I always understood WHY we were doing what we were doing.
I've had the same discussion with our 12 children for over 26 years now. I don't see those conversations happening anymore...the teenagers at our local SSPX chapel have NO idea why they attend mass at the SSPX chapel versus the local NO chapel. The fight for truth and sacrifice is fading, and sadly it will continue to be passed on to the next generation of "traditionalists".
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I've had the same discussion with our 12 children for over 26 years now. I don't see those conversations happening anymore...the teenagers at our local SSPX chapel have NO idea why they attend mass at the SSPX chapel versus the local NO chapel. The fight for truth and sacrifice is fading, and sadly it will continue to be passed on to the next generation of "traditionalists".
That's really sad to hear and see... I myself was brought to the Church in a search for truth and then I jumped out of the Novus Ordo once I saw it for what it was. Only to find some who still have their foot in both Tradition and the Novus Ordo. LT is right in saying trads will come from the world, although, right now, it seems like most are being snared into Eastern Orthodoxy...
I honestly really had to fight the temptation myself when I was getting out of the Novus Ordo. The pull is very strong, especially since it has all the outward trappings of traditional piety, even the sacraments, but it doesn't have the true Faith.
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Good point, back then we still had the safety net of churches on every corner manned by validly ordained old priest and Catholic schools and grandparents and relatives all around us. …
So safe that the "safety net" kept you from the "life before 40" about which you boast? …meanwhile resurrecting a moldy thread to virtue signal.