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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2012, 08:15:29 PM »
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    I believe that the Novus SSPX like the Novus Ordo, does not want to touch the subject. They are cowards.


    Maybe they are just liberals?

    Some are probably cowed by their superiors.

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    « Reply #46 on: October 19, 2012, 11:08:56 PM »
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  • Besides the priests, what happened to the grandmothers that had no problem throwing a shawl on their granddaughter or any of her friends before walking out the door or before walking into the church building. I used to think of them as "h***y shawls" because that is the word I would hear.  :laugh1:


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    « Reply #47 on: October 20, 2012, 12:16:36 AM »
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    I said that wearing those clothes is a mortal sin. I said that if someone dies by accident, and has one mortal sin on their soul, that they will not be saved.

    One of the conditions which make a sin mortal: it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense.

    That simple quote has been used for over 50 years to excuse everybody from practically every sin (except Adolph Hitler of course).

    bowler, I did not excuse anybody.

    What you said, is simply not true, and I told you so.

    Merely wearing tight jeans may not even be a grave sin.

    You have been corrected by some users, now get yourself a good, traditional Catechism, study the classifications of sin, and stop spreading false ideas about sin.

    It's a good idea to talk about the importance of modest clothing, but without distorting the teaching of the Church, please.

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    « Reply #48 on: October 20, 2012, 12:56:44 AM »
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    There are guidelines for Catholic women with regard to modest clothing.

    Essentially, it involves keeping to the standards of modesty that were the norm for Catholic women up until the twentieth century.

    As well as the length, women need to make sure that skirts (and also other clothing) are not "figure-hugging".
    In other words, the clothing should not highlight the woman's figure, but should obscure the woman's figure.

    Alls this is explained in a very clear way in the link which I provided on another thread.

    I advise women to print this out and take it with them when they are shopping for clothes.

    Here it is again:

    This link provides information for Catholic women who want to know how to dress properly:

                             http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html



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    1. "Marylike" means modesty without compromise -- "like Mary," Christ's pure and spotless Mother.
    2. Marylike dresses have sleeves extending to the wrists; and skirts reaching the ankles.
    3. Marylike dresses require full and loose coverage for the bodice, chest, shoulders, and back; the cut-out about the neck must not exceed "two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat" and a similar breadth around the back of the neck.
    4. Marylike dresses also do not admit as modest coverage transparent fabrics -- laces, nets, organdy, nylons, etc. -- unless sufficient backing is added. Fabrics such as laces, nets, organdy may be moderately used as trimmings only.
    5. Marylike dresses avoid the improper use of flesh-colored fabrics.
    6. Marylike dresses conceal rather than reveal the figure of the wearer; they do not emphasize, unduly, parts of the body.
    7. Marylike dresses provide full coverage, even after jacket, cape or stole are removed.
    8. Marylike fashions are designed to conceal as much of the body as possible, rather than reveal. This would automatically eliminate such fashions as slacks, jeans, shorts, culottes, tight sweaters, sheer blouses, and sleeveless dresses; etc. The Marylike standards are a guide to instil a "sense of modesty." A girl or woman who follows these, and looks up to Mary as her ideal and model, will have no problem with modesty in dress. She will not be an occasion of sin or source of embarrassment or shame to others. The standard set by the Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI (quoted above) is meant to delineate between "decent" and indecent; it would be sinful to wear clothes which "cannot be called decent." We expect that members of the Fatima Crusade, who are resolved to make reparation for the sins of the world -- especially of immodest and impurity, will do far more than the minimum. They will truly strive to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary in the virtue of modesty. Keep this guide with you when buying clothes. Make sure that you purchase or make only garments which meet the Marylike Standards.


    "Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike."



    There are places where you can buy entirely modest, yet also nice looking clothes.

    I intend to post a list of these places on CathInfo.


    Except for some elderly ladies, no women at our chapel abide by these standards.


    Yes,

    I understand that lamentable situation.

    If traditional Catholics who support these guidelines inform those who do not know about them, then hopefully traditional Catholic women will start to dress as they should.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #49 on: October 20, 2012, 02:07:03 AM »
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    Yes,

    I understand that lamentable situation.

    If traditional Catholics who support these guidelines inform those who do not know about them, then hopefully traditional Catholic women will start to dress as they should.


    Well here is a question. If there is a moral government cannot the State enforce the guidelines of dress on women?


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    « Reply #50 on: October 20, 2012, 02:34:20 AM »
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  • Yes, a moral government certainly should.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #51 on: October 20, 2012, 02:36:30 AM »
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  • But also in a proper Catholic country, the ordinary people would be so scandalized by immodest dress that it would not be tolerated anyway.

    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #52 on: October 20, 2012, 05:21:31 AM »
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  • A sense of modesty in our girls (and boys) should be instilled in them long before they know about things like lust and the birds and the bees.

    This is one thing I don't understood with all the "modesty talk"and  teen girls they seem to focus so much on telling them about men I think some of that is inappropriate and it's definitely wrong to have them dwelling on it so much. I think it's silly too, if a beautiful woman is in a paper bag, she is going to turn heads. A woman could be covered from head to toe in surgical garb with only her eyes showing and men will hit on her.


    There is a movie called Cranford and the spinster older sister, she is a good example of a character that has a high standard of modesty while never mentioning things like men's lust but still having an awareness and high standard.


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    « Reply #53 on: October 20, 2012, 08:09:50 AM »
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  • I usually wear dresses that are mid-calf length rather than reaching my ankles.  In the summer, I sometimes wear tops that expose my elbows.  Am I understanding correctly that some here are saying that I am going to hell for this?

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    « Reply #54 on: October 20, 2012, 08:18:35 AM »
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    I usually wear dresses that are mid-calf length rather than reaching my ankles.  In the summer, I sometimes wear tops that expose my elbows.  Am I understanding correctly that some here are saying that I am going to hell for this?


    Do you have quotes to support that accusation Jayne?  I think you shouldn't argue  someone is making such a claim without supporting quotations.

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    « Reply #55 on: October 20, 2012, 09:05:52 AM »
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    I usually wear dresses that are mid-calf length rather than reaching my ankles.  In the summer, I sometimes wear tops that expose my elbows.  Am I understanding correctly that some here are saying that I am going to hell for this?


    Do you have quotes to support that accusation Jayne?  I think you shouldn't argue  someone is making such a claim without supporting quotations.


    At least one person is saying that wearing immodest clothes is a mortal sin.  Others are saying that the standard for modesty includes long sleeves and ankle-length skirts.   Putting it together, I would be going to hell for the way I dress.  I'm not accusing anyone.  I'm just asking if anyone actually believes that.


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    « Reply #56 on: October 20, 2012, 09:10:56 AM »
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    At least one person is saying that wearing immodest clothes is a mortal sin.


    It certainly can be.

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    Others are saying that the standard for modesty includes long sleeves and ankle-length skirts.


    That's what he considers ideal.

     
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    Putting it together, I would be going to hell for the way I dress.  I'm not accusing anyone.  I'm just asking if anyone actually believes that.


    You shouldn't claim someone is saying you'll go to hell for the way you dress based on the "deduction" you made from those two statements.


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    « Reply #57 on: October 20, 2012, 09:18:36 AM »
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  • Sede often speaks of Victorian style of modesty, Victoria reigned for a long time, but he speaks of covering to the neck, ankles and wrists. What inspired that dress? Did she convert to Catholicism? I do cover to my wrists when outside the home, except while swimming, I'm just curious how the  styles then = Catholic modesty. I'm ignorant of that period of dress except for movies (and we know how accurate Hollywood is  :laugh1: ) and it seems like at least the formal dresses were tight in the upper body.

     

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    « Reply #58 on: October 20, 2012, 09:19:43 AM »
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    Putting it together, I would be going to hell for the way I dress.  I'm not accusing anyone.  I'm just asking if anyone actually believes that.


    You shouldn't claim someone is saying you'll go to hell for the way you dress based on the "deduction" you made from those two statements.


    I'm not claiming it.  I'm asking for clarification.

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    « Reply #59 on: October 20, 2012, 09:53:45 AM »
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    Sede often speaks of Victorian style of modesty, Victoria reigned for a long time, but he speaks of covering to the neck, ankles and wrists. What inspired that dress? Did she convert to Catholicism? I do cover to my wrists when outside the home, except while swimming, I'm just curious how the  styles then = Catholic modesty. I'm ignorant of that period of dress except for movies (and we know how accurate Hollywood is  :laugh1: ) and it seems like at least the formal dresses were tight in the upper body.


    It's not the fact that Queen Victoria that defines the time period, though she was given credit for good manners.

    Public morality was in high regard at that time, compared to other times.

    I recommend you read the pertinent parts of Robert Mackenzie's The Nineteenth Century.

    The Nineteenth Century

    He doesn't mention clothing because changes in clothing were perhaps less noticeable and drastic.

    Tolstoy, however, did make a point of the immodesty of Empire style dress.