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If these clothes are not appropriate for women to wear, then why is it appropriate to post pictures of women wearing these clothes?

Pretty simple question, with a simple answer :smile:.  

I specifically posted only two "conservative" examples because I think that the vast majority of trads believe that wearing a bikini is inappropiate, but I also think that a large group might think that the clothes that I posted are ok.

I'm saying that it is a mortal sin to wear the clothes that I posted. It is a sin for the women who wear them. For the men who have to see this, well, they see it in the word every, so they are practiced in not letting it sink in.

I replaced the picture for you. It's not much better, but there's not an actual person in the picture anymore. I hope it's equivalent enough.

Dear Bowler,

Yes, I agree with you.

A woman who wear a swimsuit or shorts or pants or any immodest clothing, is sinning.

God Bless you, Bowler.

There are guidelines for Catholic women with regard to modest clothing.

Essentially, it involves keeping to the standards of modesty that were the norm for Catholic women up until the twentieth century.

As well as the length, women need to make sure that skirts (and also other clothing) are not "figure-hugging".
In other words, the clothing should not highlight the woman's figure, but should obscure the woman's figure.

Alls this is explained in a very clear way in the link which I provided on another thread.

I advise women to print this out and take it with them when they are shopping for clothes.

Here it is again:

This link provides information for Catholic women who want to know how to dress properly:

                         http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Modesty.html

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1. "Marylike" means modesty without compromise -- "like Mary," Christ's pure and spotless Mother.
2. Marylike dresses have sleeves extending to the wrists; and skirts reaching the ankles.
3. Marylike dresses require full and loose coverage for the bodice, chest, shoulders, and back; the cut-out about the neck must not exceed "two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat" and a similar breadth around the back of the neck.
4. Marylike dresses also do not admit as modest coverage transparent fabrics -- laces, nets, organdy, nylons, etc. -- unless sufficient backing is added. Fabrics such as laces, nets, organdy may be moderately used as trimmings only.
5. Marylike dresses avoid the improper use of flesh-colored fabrics.
6. Marylike dresses conceal rather than reveal the figure of the wearer; they do not emphasize, unduly, parts of the body.
7. Marylike dresses provide full coverage, even after jacket, cape or stole are removed.
8. Marylike fashions are designed to conceal as much of the body as possible, rather than reveal. This would automatically eliminate such fashions as slacks, jeans, shorts, culottes, tight sweaters, sheer blouses, and sleeveless dresses; etc. The Marylike standards are a guide to instil a "sense of modesty." A girl or woman who follows these, and looks up to Mary as her ideal and model, will have no problem with modesty in dress. She will not be an occasion of sin or source of embarrassment or shame to others. The standard set by the Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI (quoted above) is meant to delineate between "decent" and indecent; it would be sinful to wear clothes which "cannot be called decent." We expect that members of the Fatima Crusade, who are resolved to make reparation for the sins of the world -- especially of immodest and impurity, will do far more than the minimum. They will truly strive to imitate the Blessed Virgin Mary in the virtue of modesty. Keep this guide with you when buying clothes. Make sure that you purchase or make only garments which meet the Marylike Standards.


"Be Marylike by being modest -- be modest by being Marylike."

There are places where you can buy entirely modest, yet also nice looking clothes.

I intend to post a list of these places on CathInfo.

Except for some elderly ladies, no women at our chapel abide by these standards.

Arguing whether or not it's a mortal sin really shouldn't matter.  Even if it were only a venial sin, they absolutely should be ashamed to dress that way.  

Arguing that it's a mortal sin very much matters, for if it is, which I believe it is, and the person dies in an sudden accident, they will not be saved. One mortal sin can damn a person. The discussion is very important and does matter.

I notice that the tight jeans picture was not also replaced, why not?

I once heard a recording of an elderly lady calling in to a radio station.

She said, "With today's dress standards, I can't tell who the hookers are."

Sad but true.  

Catholics need to become more active in the clothing industry.  That way, there would be choices for people.  

A lot of times, you'll see a young woman wearing tight jeans and a loose top.  If you watch, (and I'm not suggesting anything untoward) but you will notice many times her hands pull down on her short to cover her bottom.  Even though this activity generally achieves very little in modesty, I am inclined to believe at least subconsciously, that that young woman may buy more modest clothes if they were available.

I'm not excusing anything due to availability because modesty is mostly smirked at in the non-trad communities.

The next dress or two my wife buys will be made by Muslims.  I'm serious.  She found the site and showed me and asked what I thought.  I said I thought it looked great.  

Have you seen the modern muslims that still dress modest on top and even wear the head cover but wear jeans at the bottom?  What will one of these think when my wife walks buy in a muslim style dress?

I notice that the tight jeans picture was not also replaced, why not?

I couldn't quickly find an acceptable replacement. I found one, but it looked even tighter (on the non-person) than the one you posted! A bit like paint, actually. : ) Perhaps I'll look again and see what I can find...

 Scolding women about what we should wear is not going to do much good if you undermine it with your words and actions.

I said that wearing those clothes is a mortal sin. I said that if someone dies by accident, and has one mortal sin on their soul, that they will not be saved.

I think that what I said is analogous to be telling the lemmings that they are stampeding to the edge of a deadly cliff. Do you find that to be "scolding".