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Offline tradlover

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« on: December 01, 2012, 12:45:33 PM »
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  • I know a few trad families that sends its sons AND DAUGHTERS to college and some are working already.  Is there anything wrong with sending your daughters to college and then to work while single?       Please explain.

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    « Reply #1 on: December 01, 2012, 12:50:50 PM »
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    I know a few trad families that sends its sons AND DAUGHTERS to college and some are working already.  Is there anything wrong with sending your daughters to college and then to work while single?       Please explain.


    They will see, soon enough, the bad results.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 12:57:06 PM »
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  • There are a lot of risks with both sons and daughters. Certainly the Church does not oppose higher education for women, as there have been plenty of Catholic women's colleges. However, I don't think that any really exist anymore where the average Catholic family of 5,6,7,etc. kids can afford to send their children, so risks must be weighed out. The world does need holy single people and they do have to earn a living in many cases. The end goal of the education, which is usually a career, would have to be weighed out. The world needs moral Catholic nurses, secretaries, midwives, and so on. The temperament of the child has to be weighed out, too. It is such a complex decision. One thing for sure, I don't think it should be assumed from birth that college is the only option after high school. Single daughters may need to work in order to help the family or support themselves. After they are legal adults, the control over these issues is mostly out of parental hands.


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    « Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 01:03:51 PM »
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  • Why does the world need female secretaries at all? It's an advantage to companies, not to society.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 04:17:20 PM »
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  • There's a risk with someone sending both their sons and daughters to college, as Mabel said. It places them in a liberal, un-Christian atmosphere. If someone wants a degree, they'd be better off taking courses online. Online courses tend to be cheaper anyway.

    I don't think college is at all necessary for women who intend to marry. Their role is to raise their children, they don't need a degree for that.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 01, 2012, 05:33:41 PM »
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  • Personally I don't know why people want to send their sons to college either, though it usually goes along with the extravagent lifestyle many Trad Catholics have, in that they want to make "scholars" out of "their boys" and not to send them to the "unworthy profession" of blue-collar work.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 01, 2012, 05:58:13 PM »
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  • Being a single woman who completed five years of college fairly recently, i'd like to offer my perspective.

    I think women going to college is a sure recipe for disaster. A woman serious about cultivating and maintaining a traditional lifestyle will not go if they've truly grasped what living as a traditional woman demands. If they've decided that they want to be traditional, and have given themselves that name, surely they would have taken a sincere and honest look into the traditional gender roles that God intended and recognize that college doesn't work in that equation.

    One may say, "well, in this day and age, college for women is a neccessary evil if they don't want to be destitute." NO. No no no. They've been fooled. That's fear and timidity speaking. You can't defeat a wrong with another wrong. It's folly. I whole heartedly believe that God will not forsake those who decide not to cut corners in regards to living traditionally. There is mercy and reward for those choosing to follow his will.

    I don't like to see traditionalists following societal changes. It's a bad sign. A lot of a womans desire to attend college is to be successul in this pagan society that has a messed up definition of success. It's easy to look at our circumstances in light of others and chalk our lack of material possesions up to God not showing favor. That's a worldly way of looking at it. As traditionalists, less face it, we may very well have far less material comforts. It's ok. If anything, we should take that suffering as an honour, and thank God for his providence. Didn't Our Lord warn us that a rich man getting to heaven is like a camel going through the eye of a needle? I'm not saying that I think all rich people are going to hell, but instead saying that mammon has the uncanny ability to corrupt a soul. It becomes an idol, working against our salvation. To strive in keeping up with society is not wise.

    After discovering tradition I've had to ammend my ways, right my wrongs, and be honest with myself. It has been no small task, as it has required some drastic changes. I would be having a lot easier time doing that if I hadn't gone to college. A womans mind set is most of her battle. I've had to pick through all my beliefs, convictions, etc, in an attempt to make sure I'm not living according to feministic thinking. After a brutal self evaluation of myself over the past year, it's humiliating to report that I have a ways to go to rid myself of all feministic inklings. 5 years of college did me no favors.

    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    « Reply #7 on: December 01, 2012, 05:58:16 PM »
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    the "unworthy profession" of blue-collar work.

    Yours is a sort of perverse reverse-snobbery. Not everyone can have the benefit of being a blue-collar worker.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 06:02:33 PM »
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    Yours is a sort of perverse reverse-snobbery. Not everyone can have the benefit of being a blue-collar worker.


    Not at all. I just realize the profound disgust that manual labor, especially factory work, has integrated towards our upper-class, hence their mocking of industry from the safety of their college classrooms.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 01, 2012, 06:26:48 PM »
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    Not everyone can have the benefit of being a blue-collar worker.


    I'll tell you a story. When I first started in the labor force about 1-1/2 years ago, I had no experience whatsoever, and was very 'intellectual' and 'introverted' along with not being good with my hands at all.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 01, 2012, 06:28:53 PM »
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    I've had to pick through all my beliefs, convictions, etc, in an attempt to make sure I'm not living according to feministic thinking.


    You're rather sparse on the details but I suppose that's understandable.

    Interesting post.  Too bad PW isn't here to comment.

    I do think the pressure to conform to this modern world can be overwhelming, especially when family and friends offer no support for a different path.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 01, 2012, 06:47:37 PM »
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  • Conformity wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, except in our modern world, conformity means to conform to the satanic values in America of handing out condoms to junior-high girls, aborting children, and allowing homosexuals to 'marry.'

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    « Reply #12 on: December 01, 2012, 06:59:59 PM »
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    Conformity wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, except in our modern world, conformity means to conform to the satanic values in America of handing out condoms to junior-high girls, aborting children, and allowing homosexuals to 'marry.'


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    « Reply #13 on: December 01, 2012, 07:11:29 PM »
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    What you say is true but also remember that freedom gave us many of the sins in today's world, which later became 'conformity' for modern man, for instance homosexuality, abortion, contraception, started out as freedoms for women and homosexual men to break away from society while today they are conformities.


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    « Reply #14 on: December 01, 2012, 07:13:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Personally I don't know why people want to send their sons to college either, though it usually goes along with the extravagent lifestyle many Trad Catholics have, in that they want to make "scholars" out of "their boys" and not to send them to the "unworthy profession" of blue-collar work.


    It's not bad to have ambition to be something other than a manual laborer. Isn't a big part of the traditional movement the attempt to restore Western culture? How are you supposed to do that if you make your children toil away with menial jobs like factory work and manual labor. That isn't to say that these professions are "despicable" (just look at Hobbledehoy! He's a construction worker!). But frankly, it's hard to see how these careers contribute to restoring traditional culture in this modern society. Of course, the modern world is so far gone that nothing is going to restore order to this chaos except for divine intervention.

    It's discouraging to see traditional Catholics push their children to be plumbers, manual laborers, etc just because they are "practical" jobs. Is that really what you want for yourself? For your children? There's nothing wrong with a comfortable lifestyle as long as it isn't too excessive!

    There always has been and always will be a divide between the roles of the intellectual and the physical occupations in society. But both are necessary. There's little need for any to despise the other.

    As an aside, there seems to be a theme in your posts that limits masculinity exclusively to the domain of "macho" stereotypes, like guns, boxing, and sports. A true man has to have an equally cultivated mind. Frankly, sometimes it seems like your ideal "man" is more akin to a knuckle-dragging gorilla than men that come to my mind when I think of "masculinity" - Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, and St. Joseph for example.







     

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