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Offline WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat

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Re: Violence
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2024, 09:10:42 AM »
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  • The Lord is a man of war. ~ Exodus 15:3

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #31 on: November 29, 2024, 10:12:01 AM »
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  • The Lord is a man of war. ~ Exodus 15:3
    Yes to show us how to fight ourself, so we can be with God forever.  The biggest hinderence to Salvation is ourself.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine


    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #32 on: November 29, 2024, 11:15:13 AM »
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  • Have you ever fought a spiritual battle?  Guns don't work there.

    My husband and I didn't grow up with guns.  We don't have them.

    Physical violence is not a good answer.  I think guns give you false confidence in yourself.

    Every man is not the same some are farmers and some are intellectuals and some are soldiers. 

    STOP lumping all people into a certain ideology.

    Look don't think I am naive.  I have had experiences that have dealt with how messed up the police department, hospitals, and medical professionals can be.  Guns did not get me out of the situations.  God did!  My trust in God did.  Sharpen the right weapons people.  I think the devil has you extremely distracted.

    Excerpted from DISARMING GOYIM archived at: https://archive.is/YcZ2t


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    Christianity’s religious imperative:
    Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P.1225-1274 A.D.


    defense of innocent life
    If necessary, it is moral to kill an aggressor
    in defense of innocent life
    “…the act of self-defense may have two effects, one is the saving of one’s life, the other is the slaying of the aggressor. Therefore this act, since one’s intention is to save one’s own life, is not unlawful, seeing that it is natural to everything to keep itself in ‘being,’ as far as possible. And yet, though proceeding from a good intention, an act may be rendered unlawful, if it be out of proportion to the end. Wherefore if a man, in self-defense, uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repel force with moderation his defense will be lawful, because according to the jurists [Cap. Significasti, De Homicid. volunt. vel casual.], ‘it is lawful to repel force by force, provided one does not exceed the limits of a blameless defense.’ Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense in order to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.”
    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Q. 64 murder, Article 7
    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3064.htm

    The average gun fight lasts less than 3 seconds. I can't even make the Sign of the Cross in 3 seconds.

    The 21-Foot Rule: "An armed attacker can close 20 feet and kill you before a skilled shooter can clear leather"  Search: "The 21-Foot Rule" or "Tueller Drill"

    If you think you can reason or have time to reason with  a rapist or gang of home-invaders, you are seriously mistaken.

    There is a word for those who eschew self-defense… "victim."

    What if the victim is your child?



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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #33 on: November 29, 2024, 11:38:38 AM »
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  • The average gun fight lasts less than 3 seconds. I can't even make the Sign of the Cross in 3 seconds.

    The 21-Foot Rule: "An armed attacker can close 20 feet and kill you before a skilled shooter can clear leather"  Search: "The 21-Foot Rule" or "Tueller Drill"

    There is a word for those who eschew self-defense… "victim."

    What if the victim is your child?
    Have you ever seen a momma bear?  Trust me if anyone does anything to my children they would wish I had had a gun.

    And I know people do not seem to believe in the active presence of Guardian Angels, but I do and I have experienced many things that they have done for me.

    Fear powers the enemy and fear makes the victim easy to attack.  Guns do not change that.

    To be clear I am fine with people having guns and doing what they think they should do, I am just expressing that it might not be the same for all.



    Excerpted from DISARMING GOYIM archived at: https://archive.is/YcZ2t

    And as for this topic.  I really don't know what to do with it.  I personally think it is a trick of the devil to get people to justify their hatred for some group.  You can despise what people without Faith do and you can try to help them see the Truth, but these people are not people I can talk to face to face.  It presents like some kind of boogeyman.

    I know that my view on this topic does not fit the status quo here, so I just prefer to leave it to the people who understand it better and can do something about it, hopefully what they are inspired to do by God.  God has His reasons for everything.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #34 on: November 29, 2024, 12:54:26 PM »
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  • Have you ever seen a momma bear?  Trust me if anyone does anything to my children they would wish I had had a gun


    Momma bear (and poppa bear) attacks have been well-studied for a century. The data is in. Notwithstanding the very real ferocity of a defending mother, there are far more dead momma bears than dead armed defenders. The data is recycled every few months on gunnie websites. If you are interested, I will find and link one for you.


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    And I know people do not seem to believe in the active presence of Guardian Angels, but I do and I have experienced many things that they have done for me.

    I believe in Guardian Angels. I had an incident in which I believe Our Blessed Mother intervened to save me. Be sure that I do not deny or disparage the help of Heaven. I do choose to expand my options and take responsibility for my family and myself.


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    Fear powers the enemy and fear makes the victim easy to attack.  Guns do not change that.

    Predators do try to choose fearful victims, but fearlessness does not make anyone invincible.

    Maybe I grew up and lived and worked in worse cities than you. As a white man living and working in violent black cities (e.g., Oakland) I have had 3 instances in which having and reaching for a gun saved me from death or serious injury from multiple attackers. In those 3 instances I did not need to even fire the gun. Draw stroke body language convinced the predators that they had chosen their intended victim poorly. In one instance the three attackers had turned and were running away before I could even "break leather." In retrospect the sight of three ghetto assholes running away with their baggy pants around their knees making it hard for them to run fast was quite amusing. So, I reject your gratuitous claim that guns do not change outcomes. If you dispute that, I can adduce 15 studies that refute you. I am as well published and familiar with this subject as I am on the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.



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    To be clear I am fine with people having guns and doing what they think they should do, I am just expressing that it might not be the same for all.


    I am pro-choice on self-defense. You are welcome to make your own choice. You are not welcome to your own facts.


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    And as for this topic.  I really don't know what to do with it.  I personally think it is a trick of the devil to get people to justify their hatred for some group.  You can despise what people without Faith do and you can try to help them see the Truth, but these people are not people I can talk to face to face.  It presents like some kind of boogeyman.

    Please consult the Catholic Encyclopedia entry on "hatred." Speaking for myself, I have made no accusation against the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan that God Himself has not made first.







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    I know that my view on this topic does not fit the status quo here, so I just prefer to leave it to the people who understand it better and can do something about it, hopefully what they are inspired to do by God.  God has His reasons for everything.


    …and God has been as clear about the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan as He has been clear about the defense of innocent life.


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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #35 on: November 29, 2024, 01:27:27 PM »
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  • Maybe I grew up and lived and worked in worse cities than you. As a white man living and working in violent black cities (e.g., Oakland) I have had 3 instances in which having and reaching for a gun saved me from death or serious injury from multiple attackers. In those 3 instances I did not need to even fire the gun. Draw stroke body language convinced the predators that they had chosen their intended victim poorly. In one instance the three attackers had turned and were running away before I could even "break leather." In retrospect the sight of three ghetto assholes running away with their baggy pants around their knees making it hard for them to run fast was quite amusing. So, I reject your gratuitous claim that guns do not change outcomes. If you dispute that, I can adduce 15 studies that refute you. I am as well published and familiar with this subject as I am on the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.
    Points taken and respected.

    I only comment on this.  I do know what dangers are out there.  I did try to teach in the intercity of Oakland. I did not last long, only 2 months, what children know and see at the age of 7 is heartbreaking.  My grandma was almost mugged in front of me in San Francisco, but my dad scared them so bad, that they went running for the hills, no guns were involved.  I live near Baltimore.  My point is that some are very much equipped to be ready for fighting with guns and others not so much. Sometimes, it is implied that if you don't have and use guns then you are just prepping yourself to be a "victim", I am just saying that expectation isn't always true.

    To be honest, I am just afraid of myself, which I am coming to find was a prison that something kept me in (maybe demons, maybe my own insecurities), that keep me from learning how to use a gun or having any in the house.  I could explain better, but I am not sure people really want to hear it.

    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #36 on: November 30, 2024, 03:02:02 AM »
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  • Yes to show us how to fight ourself, so we can be with God forever.  The biggest hinderence to Salvation is ourself.
    You're either a liar or ignorant. The aforementioned verses are not about fighting ourselves, rather, it's about taking up arms and physically defending yourself, and wiping out God's enemies with His command and approbation. Read the chapters apropos to those verses. There are other verses in the Bible that refer to fighting ourselves and guarding against the flesh in order to save our souls, but that's not the context of the verses that I posted. You're deceitfully or ignorantly conflating both.

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #37 on: November 30, 2024, 03:05:57 AM »
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  • Have you ever seen a momma bear?  Trust me if anyone does anything to my children they would wish I had had a gun.

    Wow ! LOOK OUT !! WE GOT A TOUGHY, HERE !! No, I don't think so. This would be you in reality, Momma Bear, without a firearm.



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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #38 on: November 30, 2024, 03:53:33 AM »
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  • If the bad guys come to my door, the guns come out first, if they want to reason when it's aimed at their head, fine; if not,  I will pray for them as they bleed out.  My order is the opposite of yours. It is gun first, reason second (maybe), and pray third.  Hopefully your husband's order is the same as mine.
    The guns will make sure they calm down real quick or run away 
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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #39 on: November 30, 2024, 01:42:11 PM »
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  • The guns will make sure they calm down real quick or run away
    Perfect. So succinct!

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #40 on: November 30, 2024, 08:36:55 PM »
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  • You're either a liar or ignorant. The aforementioned verses are not about fighting ourselves, rather, it's about taking up arms and physically defending yourself, and wiping out God's enemies with His command and approbation. Read the chapters apropos to those verses. There are other verses in the Bible that refer to fighting ourselves and guarding against the flesh in order to save our souls, but that's not the context of the verses that I posted. You're deceitfully or ignorantly conflating both.
    I wasn't trying to be a liar or ignorant.  I was just trying to redirect your quote back to the OP which was about violence to self.

    Why does it seem that people really do not want to talk about violence to self and it is so easy to talk about violence to others?

    How do these thoughts of violence to others mesh with Jesus's teaching on Charity?

    When we come to our judgement, we won't be asked about how many people we forcibly changed with violence, but we will be asked how many people we converted by Charity.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine


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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #41 on: December 01, 2024, 10:18:38 PM »
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  • If only!