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Title: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 04, 2020, 01:53:27 PM
So, I am not wearing a mask.  It is not mandatory yet (thankfully).  

Having said that, in the space of a couple of hours, I have heard that it is selfish to not wear a mask and I have been treated like a leper (ie. I had to move farther away from a woman entering the store...with a mask).  

Let me get this straight:  if you believe that the mask is necessary and keeps the virus from spreading and YOU wear a mask, why does it matter/bother you that I do not??? Seriously, am I missing something here? 

In case it isn't apparent, I'm rip roaring mad over this.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 04, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
No mask.

Just came from grocery store with no mask.

Was definitely in the 20% minority.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 04, 2020, 02:39:09 PM
I would never wear a mask in public because I do not believe this Covid19 is any worse than any other flu or virus that has come up in the USA since after the Spanish Flu. Where I live I'd say 30% of shoppers at the big food store wear a mask. No one has said anything to me about not wearing a mask. If they did, I'd tell them that if God wants to take anyone's life that a mask is not going to help them, that death means nothing to me, I just ask God to allow me to go to confession before I die. 

Maybe that'll convert the Catholics.

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Mithrandylan on May 04, 2020, 02:40:21 PM
So, I am not wearing a mask.  It is not mandatory yet (thankfully).  

Having said that, in the space of a couple of hours, I have heard that it is selfish to not wear a mask and I have been treated like a leper (ie. I had to move farther away from a woman entering the store...with a mask).  

Let me get this straight:  if you believe that the mask is necessary and keeps the virus from spreading and YOU wear a mask, why does it matter/bother you that I do not??? Seriously, am I missing something here?

In case it isn't apparent, I'm rip roaring mad over this.
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Well, the story is that wearing the mask prevents someone from spreading it moreso than it protects someone from getting it.  So, for people who believe that, it explains why they'd be upset.
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That's the story.  But remember that only three weeks ago the story was not to bother with the mask.
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We are playing a national game of Simon Says, right now-- in case you couldn't tell.  What makes a good citizen changes by the day.
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I'm not going to play the game, and I'm not going to wear a mask.  I might make an exception-- here or there, like for grocery shopping if there's a store that I need to go to that won't let me in without one-- but first I'll try to buy elsewhere and go without.
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No mask.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Kazimierz on May 04, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
I will be more than content to stay far away from sheeple who think wearing a mask is doing any good - which it has been proven not to be.

If I have to wear something on my face, it will be the following: (I have a large selection of these.Great for many outdoor activities!)


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(https://milworld.pl/eng_pl_SA-Co-Face-Shield-TM-Rebel-Skull-16900_1.jpg)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Bonaventure on May 04, 2020, 02:43:41 PM
Just print this out as a card and show it to anyone who asks:

(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/img_1981.png)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Pax Vobis on May 04, 2020, 03:01:11 PM
Yes, I've heard that saying "I have a medical condition" will allow you to avoid a mask.  The real problem, will be the fight over forced vaccinations.  Even the "conservative" heroes out there (Ben Shapiro types) are all accepting (i.e. promoting/indoctrinating the sheeple) that the vaccine will be the fix for our crisis.  This is the end game.  The NY public health dept already is on video saying they are pre-planning for the vaccine roll-out.  "We already have the syringes ready." 
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This will be the true battle for freedom.  If they can force vaccinations, then we're one hop-skip-and-a-jump away from a cashless society with chip implants.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Mithrandylan on May 04, 2020, 03:05:23 PM
Just print this out as a card and show it to anyone who asks:

(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/img_1981.png)
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Is this legit?
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Asking because there's lots of stuff out there like this... e.g., 'sovereign citizens' who will tell you that you can speed down the highway with a pound of weed in your trunk and if the cops stop you all you have to do is cite maritime law from 1788 and *poof!* the cop will disappear back into the matrix so you can keep on driving, I mean traveling.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 04, 2020, 03:06:11 PM
That's the story.  But remember that only three weeks ago the story was not to bother with the mask.
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We are playing a national game of Simon Says, right now-- in case you couldn't tell.  What makes a good citizen changes by the day.

“We have ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia!”
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 04, 2020, 03:06:30 PM
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Well, the story is that wearing the mask prevents someone from spreading it moreso than it protects someone from getting it.  So, for people who believe that, it explains why they'd be upset.
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That's the story.  But remember that only three weeks ago the story was not to bother with the mask.
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We are playing a national game of Simon Says, right now-- in case you couldn't tell.  What makes a good citizen changes by the day.
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I'm not going to play the game, and I'm not going to wear a mask.  I might make an exception-- here or there, like for grocery shopping if there's a store that I need to go to that won't let me in without one-- but first I'll try to buy elsewhere and go without.
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No mask.
According to my husband cloth masks are not going to help something airborne.  Ie.  We all would need to use N95s
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 04, 2020, 03:14:40 PM
That's the story.  But remember that only three weeks ago the story was not to bother with the mask.
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We are playing a national game of Simon Says, right now-- in case you couldn't tell.  What makes a good citizen changes by the day.

“Orwell's point in 1984 was that it's more than just government Though Police. The people themselves participate, willfully, in ‘double think.’

[Just like SSPXers who pretend the neo-SSPX isn’t contradicting Lefebvre, or Americans who choose not to remember face masks were ineffective 3 weeks ago; etc.  In all cases, doublethink is protective stupidity: You want to get along, you go along, and practice convincing yourself -like Winston in 1984 - that 2+2=5.  Then the torture will stop.]

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Consider the example in the book 1984 regarding the ongoing war between the three superstates of Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia (representing English, Russian, and Chinese empires respectively).

At the start of the book, Oceania is at war with Eurasia. They have always been at war with Eurasia. That's the political consensus, and all historic docuмents agree. However, Winston Smith (the protagonist) remembers a time five years ago when Oceania was instead at war with Eastasia. Winston Smith struggles with philosophical idea of "truth". Which is more true, what everyone knows and what's in the newspapers, or the memories within his head?

Then Oceania’s allegiance switched back again. On the sixth day of Hate Week, as crowds gathered to denounce Eurasia, the Party switched enemies to Eastasia. In a particularly rousing speech against their enemy, the speaker was handed a slip of paper, and in mid-sentence, without pause, without change in content or tone, he changed the name of the enemy he was speaking against to Eastasia. Eurasia was now their dearest friends. Those holding banners denouncing their enemy were suddenly embarrassed to discover they had unaccountably written the wrong name, and quickly trampled and destroyed them.”

https://blog.erratasec.com/2016/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia.html?m=1 (https://blog.erratasec.com/2016/02/weve-always-been-at-war-with-eastasia.html?m=1)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Bonaventure on May 04, 2020, 04:09:14 PM
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Is this legit?
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Asking because there's lots of stuff out there like this... e.g., 'sovereign citizens' who will tell you that you can speed down the highway with a pound of weed in your trunk and if the cops stop you all you have to do is cite maritime law from 1788 and *poof!* the cop will disappear back into the matrix so you can keep on driving, I mean traveling.

Um, there are a TON of Fed/State laws either outright prohibiting or highly regulating the use of marijuana.

I don't know of any law requiring anyone to wear a face mask out in public.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Pax Vobis on May 04, 2020, 04:23:06 PM
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I don't know of any law requiring anyone to wear a face mask out in public.
Ironically, many states, cities and towns have laws which ban you from "substantially covering" your face (i.e. criminals who wear ski masks). 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: songbird on May 04, 2020, 04:34:56 PM
No mask, no vaccines, no 6 ft. I  am just being me.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Nadir on May 04, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
No mask, no vaccines, no 6 ft. I  am just being me.
Me too, Songbird!
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 04, 2020, 05:38:54 PM
Yes, I've heard that saying "I have a medical condition" will allow you to avoid a mask.  The real problem, will be the fight over forced vaccinations.  Even the "conservative" heroes out there (Ben Shapiro types) are all accepting (i.e. promoting/indoctrinating the sheeple) that the vaccine will be the fix for our crisis.  This is the end game.  The NY public health dept already is on video saying they are pre-planning for the vaccine roll-out.  "We already have the syringes ready."
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This will be the true battle for freedom.  If they can force vaccinations, then we're one hop-skip-and-a-jump away from a cashless society with chip implants.
You raise a good point. They are testing compliance.
Will the public wear face masks (cotton allows 90% of viruses to enter.)
Will they avoid parks, beaches and other taxpayer-owned public spaces?
Will they give up their 1st amendment rights to:
religious services
assembly to petition the government for redress of griveances?
The more we comply, the sooner forced vaccines will arrive.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Kazimierz on May 04, 2020, 05:57:20 PM
If we must wear a mask this is another of my alternatives  ::)

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Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: B from A on May 04, 2020, 08:22:55 PM
If we must wear a mask this is another of my alternatives  ::)

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Some other options: 
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Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: jen51 on May 04, 2020, 09:14:51 PM
Pfft, no. 

I wish I had a mask while cleaning out the chicken brooder the other day. That is something that warrants mask wearing. 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Motorede on May 04, 2020, 09:20:27 PM
So, I am not wearing a mask.  It is not mandatory yet (thankfully).  

Having said that, in the space of a couple of hours, I have heard that it is selfish to not wear a mask and I have been treated like a leper (ie. I had to move farther away from a woman entering the store...with a mask).  

Let me get this straight:  if you believe that the mask is necessary and keeps the virus from spreading and YOU wear a mask, why does it matter/bother you that I do not??? Seriously, am I missing something here?

In case it isn't apparent, I'm rip roaring mad over this.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Stubborn on May 05, 2020, 05:31:06 AM
If the fake pandemic is real, it started in China. That's the country where the population have been wearing masks for at least the last 20 years due to pollution - which only serves to prove masks don't work. Why is this not obvious to everyone?  
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: sedevacantist3 on May 05, 2020, 07:34:37 AM
Yes, I've heard that saying "I have a medical condition" will allow you to avoid a mask.  The real problem, will be the fight over forced vaccinations.  Even the "conservative" heroes out there (Ben Shapiro types) are all accepting (i.e. promoting/indoctrinating the sheeple) that the vaccine will be the fix for our crisis.  This is the end game.  The NY public health dept already is on video saying they are pre-planning for the vaccine roll-out.  "We already have the syringes ready."
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This will be the true battle for freedom.  If they can force vaccinations, then we're one hop-skip-and-a-jump away from a cashless society with chip implants.
yup, I can see the anti vaxxers being ostracised, I doubt I will be allowed to work or travel, right now my wife although agrees with me and is anti vaccine,  has hinted that if push came to shove whereby she would not be able to work and travel etc that she would contemplate taking it. I fear that this will divide us down the road.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: josefamenendez on May 05, 2020, 07:55:35 AM
I thought the vaccine itself would contain the nanotechnology tracking mechanism equivalent to the "chip". It is the mark.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Pax Vobis on May 05, 2020, 08:32:52 AM
Well, a nano chip for tracking purposes would be probably kept secret and it would presumably be located in the arm/leg (wherever the vaccine occurred).  While a future chip for banking/purchases would have to be known, or it could not be used and would presumably be near the hand/wrist so it could be swiped.  I see these as 2 different stages.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Kazimierz on May 05, 2020, 09:43:52 AM
Some other options:
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Love those sheep! How true sadly though it is.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Kazimierz on May 05, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Pfft, no.

I wish I had a mask while cleaning out the chicken brooder the other day. That is something that warrants mask wearing.
Some of us would have to use a hazmat suit around all that poultry. :laugh1:
Not as bad as pigs though. Pungent memories how they linger ughhhhh
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 05, 2020, 12:49:51 PM
yup, I can see the anti vaxxers being ostracised, I doubt I will be allowed to work or travel, right now my wife although agrees with me and is anti vaccine,  has hinted that if push came to shove whereby she would not be able to work and travel etc that she would contemplate taking it. I fear that this will divide us down the road.
Their plans far exceed being ostracised. Government docuмents (some of which are here on Cath Info) show the plans for "re-education" camps with deliberate family separations.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: sedevacantist3 on May 05, 2020, 02:21:44 PM
Their plans far exceed being ostracised. Government docuмents (some of which are here on Cath Info) show the plans for "re-education" camps with deliberate family separations.
For not taking the vaccine? I’m aware of reeducation camps eventually but I think   Not being able to work and travel would come before that, ostracized I mean from family and friends 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: sedevacantist3 on May 05, 2020, 02:43:52 PM
Their plans far exceed being ostracised. Government docuмents (some of which are here on Cath Info) show the plans for "re-education" camps with deliberate family separations.
Just read this tweet after I posted, I live in province of Quebec btw
Former Quebec politician suggests that people who refuse a mandatory coronavirus vaccine should be arrested and confined in an abandoned mining town.
In other words, put in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ.
journaldemontreal.com/2020/05/01/rou…
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 05, 2020, 03:06:21 PM
Just read this tweet after I posted, I live in province of Quebec btw
Former Quebec politician suggests that people who refuse a mandatory coronavirus vaccine should be arrested and confined in an abandoned mining town.
In other words, put in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ.
journaldemontreal.com/2020/05/01/rou…
Link is incomplete. Is news item in French?
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SoldierofCtK on May 05, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
I work retail in NY, let's say Dome Hepot, and they made it "mandatory" to wear a mask while interacting with the public. I was sent home one day for not complying, but realized it may be imprudent to lose the extra hours. (They gave us some PTO, but it would be half of what I could earn by working.) Sticking to the "letter of the law" of needing to wear a face covering, I took my chainsaw helmet and made my own. The ASM who sent me home did not find it amusing, but all my co-workers did, haha.

I won't wear a mask when I'm off the clock and most stores don't say anything. I was kicked out of Autozone, but they only lost my business for life. This whole reaction by most people is utter nonsense...

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Meg on May 05, 2020, 03:36:25 PM
I too work in retail (grocery store, part-time) and I have to wear a mask, since it's required for all employees. I hate it because it makes me feel like I can hardly breathe, and it steams up my glasses. I take it off when I'm not on the sales floor, as do most of the employees. Interesting that most of the employees would not wear a mask if it were not required. Very few of us are worried about catching the virus. I never wear a mask outside of work.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 05, 2020, 03:42:20 PM
I think it's now mandatory for ALL New Yorkers to wear masks outside of their homes.  
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SoldierofCtK on May 05, 2020, 03:54:05 PM
I think it's now mandatory for ALL New Yorkers to wear masks outside of their homes.  
If you go by the wording of the Executive Disorder, it's only required when you can't "socially distance." Further, only those who are "medically able" must wear a face covering. Even at work, we can't enforce the state mandate, only ask that they wear one next time. It's all ridiculous.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 05, 2020, 04:08:06 PM
If you go by the wording of the Executive Disorder, it's only required when you can't "socially distance." Further, only those who are "medically able" must wear a face covering. Even at work, we can't enforce the state mandate, only ask that they wear one next time. It's all ridiculous.
LOL @ Executive Disorder.  Interesting wording though....good to know when my mother starts talking to me about wearing a mask.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SoldierofCtK on May 05, 2020, 04:13:10 PM
NY Executive Order No. 202.17 :)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Matto on May 05, 2020, 04:17:47 PM
I think wearing a mask is stupid and that they probably don't protect me or others from the virus. But I wear one when I go out to avoid causing trouble and to make other people happy, even though I think it is stupid.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 05, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
NY Executive Order No. 202.17 :)
Thanks!  Here is the pertinent section:


Effective at 8 p.m. on Friday, April 17, 2020 any individual who is over age two and able to medically tolerate a face-covering shall be required to cover their nose and mouth with a mask or cloth face-covering when in a public place and unable to maintain, or when not maintaining, social distance.  

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Pax Vobis on May 05, 2020, 04:24:35 PM
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I was kicked out of Autozone
I'm not defending big-brother corporations, however, (depending on the state) some are following the law which requires them to force customers to wear masks.  So really, the problem lies at the governor/mayor who imposed the anti-freedom law on the business.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 05, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
I think wearing a mask is stupid and that they probably don't protect me or others from the virus. But I wear one when I go out to avoid causing trouble and to make other people happy, even though I think it is stupid.
Again, if someone has an issue with no mask, then they can steer clear of me.  Don't make me move because of your irrational, overblown fear.

Then again Matto, I suspect that your way of handling this and the way I handle this is directly related to the differences in our personalities. ;-)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: songbird on May 05, 2020, 05:09:55 PM
wearing a mask can not be enforced.  BUT you could lose a job over it.

My family members, working in the hospital, was told vaccine for flu, mandatory or lose your job. That was 7 years ago.  The doctors fought the issue.  Finally the hospital was quieted, and said nothing more about it, 2 years later.  The hospital (Banner) also pushed the issue:  Vaccine for flu IF you are a first time employee.  The state of AZ continues to have in law,:  3 reasons not to have vaccines, religious, medical, and philosophical.

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Nadir on May 05, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
 The doctors fought the issue.  
I wonder why.  ;)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SoldierofCtK on May 05, 2020, 05:24:11 PM
I'm not defending big-brother corporations, however, (depending on the state) some are following the law which requires them to force customers to wear masks.  So really, the problem lies at the governor/mayor who imposed the anti-freedom law on the business.
I tried to explain it to them, how I would maintain social distancing, but they said it was due to company policy and not the law. Even the NY governor said he couldn't enforce his own mandate. I'm not even mad at the employees; I just found somewhere else to shop.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: TKGS on May 05, 2020, 08:26:08 PM
But remember that only three weeks ago the story was not to bother with the mask.
No.  Three weeks ago, we were being told NOT TO WEAR MASKS.  Overnight, the story changed, and I haven't seen any good reason for the change. 
 
I think it was a test to see how quickly the sheeple would change from one "truth" to another "truth".

Remember the passage in 1984 when, during Hate Week, Oceana went to war with Eastasia even though all the posters said they were at war with Eurasia.  It must have been Goldstein!  Maybe it was Goldstein who told us not to wear masks!
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on May 06, 2020, 12:01:07 AM
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Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: jvk on May 06, 2020, 02:49:48 AM
At my 9 yr old's dentist appointment today they told me "if it was ok" my son could go back to the exam room and be seen after a temp check--and I could  go wait in the car.  

CDC regulations.

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Nadir on May 06, 2020, 02:59:36 AM
Whaaaat??? And what did you say?
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: jvk on May 06, 2020, 03:10:01 AM
"Well, no, it's not okay...is there any way I can go back with him?!"

They let me "that time" because there were no other patients being seen.  Otherwise we would have left.  

I get that it's not the hygienist's fault but it really threw me off guard--we weren't notified of the new policy when they called to remind us of the appointment.

I don't usually get angry but that made me mad.  This is all so STUPID.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Nadir on May 06, 2020, 05:01:41 AM
OOO! I hate it when I get taken off-guard.

Some weeks back I had some scripts to fill. As I approached the pharmacy, one of the staff told me she would take my temperature before I entered. I complied, got the all-clear, dropped off the scripts, then departed to go to the next-door supermarket to pick up few things while the scripts we made up.

On my return after 1/2 hr, the same girl approached to take my temp. 'But you just took my temp', I said. Oh, we have to take it every time, she told me. Again I complied. All but one of my scripts was filled, but one I would have to come back for, as they were waiting for it to come in.

A few days later I awoke with the determination not to have my temp taken again. Off I went to pick up the late script. I was approached by another staff member who went to take my temp, but before she had a chance to, I asked her, has anyone ever refused her. She looked surprised then said, no, nobody has ever refused. Oh! What would you do if somebody refused, I asked. Ah, they would not be allowed to go in, she replied. Well, I am refusing, I responded. 

As I had already paid for the meds I told her she would need to have them brought out to me. As it turned out, although the meds were in, the script had not yet been made up. I got fed up with waiting and went off without them.

My dear husband, who can be just as stroppy as I can be on his day, willingly went through this demeaning process for me. We haven't been back, but now go the other pharmacy. Just as well we are a 2-pharma town!
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Stubborn on May 06, 2020, 05:48:57 AM
I like this....

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 06, 2020, 05:54:53 AM
I like this....
lol....I wouldn't be surprised if they're out there to be purchased online.  I heard there are masks with Disney characters out there.  Isn't that ..... charming?

Edit:  

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+2020+masks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcj4-Bi5_pAhUshOAKHcVfAOIQ_AUoAnoECAwQBA&biw=1067&bih=458 (https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+2020+masks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcj4-Bi5_pAhUshOAKHcVfAOIQ_AUoAnoECAwQBA&biw=1067&bih=458)

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Stubborn on May 06, 2020, 06:33:21 AM
lol....I wouldn't be surprised if they're out there to be purchased online.  I heard there are masks with Disney characters out there.  Isn't that ..... charming?

Edit:  

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+2020+masks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcj4-Bi5_pAhUshOAKHcVfAOIQ_AUoAnoECAwQBA&biw=1067&bih=458 (https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+2020+masks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcj4-Bi5_pAhUshOAKHcVfAOIQ_AUoAnoECAwQBA&biw=1067&bih=458)
Ha! Now I might actually wear that mask, but they want way too much money!
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Pax Vobis on May 06, 2020, 08:11:24 AM
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At my 9 yr old's dentist appointment today they told me "if it was ok" my son could go back to the exam room and be seen after a temp check--and I could  go wait in the car.
We gotta start fighting fire with fire.  So, if this happens again, respond with something like "Well, I don't leave my children alone with adults because how do I know if they'll be taken advantaged of?  In this day and age, you never know.  If priests can't be trusted, who can?"
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It probably won't work, but it's worth a try.  This is an extreme response, but we live in extreme times.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Mr G on May 06, 2020, 08:42:09 AM
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Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: jvk on May 06, 2020, 09:54:57 AM
The first mask is EXACTLY what my husband wants to wear when they call for mandatory masks at stores.   :laugh2:
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Crawdad on May 06, 2020, 11:04:39 AM
It's really about controlling people and instilling fear. The fact is any mask meets the criteria for mandatory wear, but 99% of the masks worn by the public don't filter viruses because they're not wearing at least N95s, so the masks they're wearing are practically ineffective, and the government knows it.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 06, 2020, 11:11:59 AM
A Doctor said on a radio program said that wearing masks may protect the person who at lease six feet away
from you but may cause serious health problems to the person wearing it. The trapped germs inside the mask
can cause eventual respiratory problems where non existed before.
A disposable mask has to be thrown away after one use and not worn again.   Others mask that are non
disposable  have to washed and sanitized after every use.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: B from A on May 06, 2020, 11:13:38 AM
"Well, no, it's not okay...is there any way I can go back with him?!"

They let me "that time" because there were no other patients being seen.  Otherwise we would have left.  

I get that it's not the hygienist's fault but it really threw me off guard--we weren't notified of the new policy when they called to remind us of the appointment.

I don't usually get angry but that made me mad.  This is all so STUPID.
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Absolutely!  
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NO WAY would I let my children go back there alone!  
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 06, 2020, 01:20:36 PM
Well wearing a mask for.a twelve hour shift I can attest to my sats dropping to 94-95 and waking up the next day hacking up a lung. Every time
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 06, 2020, 02:22:22 PM
A Doctor said on a radio program said that wearing masks may protect the person who at lease six feet away
from you but may cause serious health problems to the person wearing it. The trapped germs inside the mask
can cause eventual respiratory problems where non existed before.
A disposable mask has to be thrown away after one use and not worn again.   Others mask that are non
disposable  have to washed and sanitized after every use.
When I think of the germs inside the mask, it's disgusting.  Not to mention there are folks who literally have panic attacks from wearing masks.  
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: sedevacantist3 on May 06, 2020, 02:53:49 PM
Link is incomplete. Is news item in French?
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/05/01/rouvrez-gagnon

this should be good, in french though
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 07, 2020, 09:36:04 AM
I heard on a loud speaker at Walmart yesterday that the Governor of Colorado just signed an executive order
that is now mandatory that all people have to wear a face masks in Colorado.
AS I said in an earlier post that a doctor said that wearing a face mask may cause more harm to health and
is not designed to protect the person wearing it.
A disposable face mask can be worn one time and has to be disposed of.  Others that are washable must be
washed and sanitized after each use.
The people that are using this pandemic as a political motive to reduce the population where the population
can easily micromanaged. It they cannot get you by CV-19 than the face masks will finished the job.
I heard from a source that George Soros was on a conference call to all the democratic governors to keep the draconian lockdowns until January 2021 where they hope a  democratic majority will take power.
The following charts are from deagel.com and shows what the population in the U.S. may look like by 2025. 

http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Mr G on May 07, 2020, 10:16:15 AM
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/05/07/face-masks-are-genuinely-scientifically-useless-multiple-rns-check-in/ (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/05/07/face-masks-are-genuinely-scientifically-useless-multiple-rns-check-in/)


**UPDATED WITH TESTIMONY OF A FIREMAN** FACE MASKS ARE GENUINELY, SCIENTIFICALLY USELESS: Multiple RNs check in
Remember, folks: ONLY THE REAL COUNTS. ONLY THE REAL MATTERS.
This “magical thinking” crap has GOT to be confronted and defeated.
FACE MASKS LITERALLY DO NOTHING.
Here’s the deal, over the transom from multiple RNs.
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Hello Ann,
I listened to your Podcast Episode #110 (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/05/05/barnhardt-podcast-110-anns-predictions-5-will-astound-you/). Wonderful as always, and strengthens my resolve and fight. Thank you. One thing I don’t think people know about masking is that when we don a mask if we have any virus we breathe it back inside over and over again increasing viral load and weakening our own immunity, so we get sicker, which seems to be the point.
I’m an RN, graduated 2002 from (major, redacted) school of nursing. When i started my career as an ER nurse, one requirement was TB mask fitting. They fit a duck bill mask to your face and put a plastic cylinder with a vent opening over your head and sprayed a concentrated sucrose mist.  If you could taste just a bit of sweetness through mask, you were at risk for contracting TB. So again, what the hell are cloth or surgical masks gonna do?… umm make ourselves sick – that’s it. Any honest doctor/nurse/scientist/virologist knows this mask thing is b***it.
God bless Ann keep it up. Thank you.
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Yes, for a mask to protect you it HAS to be fit tested.
So this person is CORRECT.
So the fit test: you put on an N95, they stick a hood over your head with a hole in it. In the hole goes an inhaler type thing and they spray a sucrose solution. If the mask fits properly, you won’t be able to taste the sucrose. I had an N95 on that wasn’t fitting properly and I could totally taste that crap🤢. So I went thru some N95s til they found one that fit properly.
Bottom line – if it isn’t fit tested then there’s no guarantee that the “viral particles” are being filtered out. So this mask wearing that we are all “required” to do is…..wait for it….BEE ESS.

I laugh when I see the general public wearing N95s they bought a Homo Depot. Unless you fit test it (an N95), you have no idea if it’s actually “working”.🙄
It’s all a mind game.
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And remember, folks, this ONLY applies to N95-level masks.  Putting a few ridiculous layers of gauze, or even more ridiculously, FASHION FABRIC (I’ve even seen DENIM – that’s just going to give you elevated Carbon Dioxide levels – absolutely STUPID.  Carbon Dioxide inhalation is a common method of stunning hogs at slaughter) serves ABSOLUTELY NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER EXCEPT to signal TOTAL SUBMISSION TO THE LIE and to THE TOTALITARIAN REGIME.
It isn’t a “sanitary barrier.” It doesn’t block viruses, and certainly not this common cold virus.  COLD VIRUSES CANNOT BE CONTAINED ANY MORE THAN MANKIND CAN AFFECT THE GLOBAL WEATHER. Such a contention is PURE, HUBRISTIC, LYING ***** !![/font][/size][/color]
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 07, 2020, 03:08:54 PM
No mask, no vaccines, no 6 ft. I  am just being me.
Refusing to wear a mask is my signal to the PTB that I will NEVER take any mandatory, satanic, globalist, made from an electively aborted fetal cell line, Bill Gates vaccine. Come rack. Come rope.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Argentino on May 08, 2020, 12:33:22 PM
I like this....
Interesting concept!
I think it would only be good if you could actually arrange to only go with a crowd of people (say 10), and visit stores in your area one by one....and make sure the News media reports it!
I say about groups only out of fear of getting harmed if you look alone. Dying for a "Trump 2020" won't make you a martyr.

(Unfortunately, Trump appears to be owned since early April, and is only giving "token protests" about continuing this charade, so that he appears sort of "in character")
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Seraphina on May 08, 2020, 11:41:57 PM
Police officer's dilemma/Lawyer's delight --- Someone wears a mask with the Confederate flag or a swastika. Hate speech is illegal.  Oh, but so is not wearing a mask.  Be sure to wear it in the correct neighborhood for greatest effectiveness.

On second thought, I'll just stay home or in the woods.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: ByzCat3000 on May 09, 2020, 12:38:52 AM
Police officer's dilemma/Lawyer's delight --- Someone wears a mask with the Confederate flag or a swastika. Hate speech is illegal.  Oh, but so is not wearing a mask.  Be sure to wear it in the correct neighborhood for greatest effectiveness.

On second thought, I'll just stay home or in the woods.
Swastika is a bit much for me but you do you :D 

I could be sold on doing the rebel flag tho haha
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: apollo on May 09, 2020, 02:05:50 AM
Surgeon general: Data doesn't back up wearing masks in public amid coronavirus pandemic



https://www.foxnews.com/media/surgeon-general-explains-masks-public-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/surgeon-general-explains-masks-public-coronavirus)

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: alaric on May 09, 2020, 06:55:24 AM
Swastika is a bit much for me but you do you :D

I could be sold on doing the rebel flag tho haha
I believe this image would be more appropriate on your mask to protect you from the commie flu.....
(https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/flag-red-star-sickle-hammer-260nw-136780757.jpg)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: alaric on May 09, 2020, 07:21:17 AM
Police officer's dilemma/Lawyer's delight --- Someone wears a mask with the Confederate flag or a swastika. Hate speech is illegal.  Oh, but so is not wearing a mask.  Be sure to wear it in the correct neighborhood for greatest effectiveness.

On second thought, I'll just stay home or in the woods.
I guess the klan was ahead of the curve a long time ago. Matter of fact, facecoverings were a family affair;
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Children_with_Dr._Samuel_Green%2C_Ku_Klux_Klan_Grand_Dragon%2C_July_24%2C_1948.jpg/220px-Children_with_Dr._Samuel_Green%2C_Ku_Klux_Klan_Grand_Dragon%2C_July_24%2C_1948.jpg)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Argentino on May 09, 2020, 07:22:48 AM
Surgeon general: Data doesn't back up wearing masks in public amid coronavirus pandemic



https://www.foxnews.com/media/surgeon-general-explains-masks-public-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/surgeon-general-explains-masks-public-coronavirus)
That was March 31st. What is to prevent someone from saying that they didn't have the data in March, but since know better?
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 2Vermont on May 09, 2020, 07:23:40 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/surgeon-general-explains-masks-public-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/surgeon-general-explains-masks-public-coronavirus)
OK, so the SG states back at the end of March that we should not wear masks "unless we are sick".  He also said that this recommendation could change as the data changes.  

Do we have an updated interview/statement by the SG that discusses the change that obviously happened at a later date?
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: alaric on May 09, 2020, 07:27:49 AM
All the masks are is a symbol of compliance or should I say.........submission.

Funny how we will spend trillions of dollars and willing to sacrifice millions of lives in a never ending "war against terrorism", which is basically a war against radical islam which is basically a war against Islam in general.


We will fight to the death against Islam. Islam means submission.


Yet we SUBMIT to the all powerful State in wearing these masks, which is not even a law and against the Constitution without so much as firing a shot or protest on a mass scale. Simply incredible.

We have become a nation of sheeple. Enjoy your face-coverings; ::)

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Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: apollo on May 09, 2020, 09:09:30 AM
Masks do not protect the wearer. Medical masks are ineffective against
viruses, and cloth masks provide breeding grounds for them. A [ 2015 study ]
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http://r.mail.cellphonetaskforce.org/mk/cl/f/Jw1Hg_REGNAnPRyoTkfyRqD9T8A1SqcO71tr_XIgFt5m3N6qOKhX8RClDd2mW7gYbac5XZu5ql652e7LZZExcdZq35cUuqZYfF0VCdBAo10PPKyXxD68V6Dn268MCfhJ0oXRh4S7Cd2FG8w5I_iX8W1EDR1pPS1vmVbZLjdmFCop3RS3VgA-gPZ7y13gmrS0kCj_3cEiOWaj6xoaeuN9UGK752MHqp3OFftGhqKsGJwrvG7XZ4uAf0y5Y5n3Q3OR
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in the British Medical Journal found that healthcare workers caught
viruses from their patients 13 times more often if they wore a cloth mask
than if they wore a medical mask, and a [ Chinese study ]
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http://r.mail.cellphonetaskforce.org/mk/cl/f/HXuIr8X4iLi9kI915gwlJyqZib1KfBY9Om8sh0xzD4z9EoNzJvojI5c6E8lQa-Rr6cnzVKHC3NzmCK_xiZltxAMLaqaCxnT2tTaTAOfH6U8Zm6jBdg_kJ7qyhmFwmFsyM1knM9eRdR1maoBgemyC5DQJnd0kHBUHypH_SYSSq7DwjZSNq4UaxpjEEaZVUfUSyHqJa-stIYBHd5cwl0MvLG0riRccRvhkmmWVc8ApjaVVFDMoEdIb
)
found that a medical mask was no more protective against viruses than
wearing no mask at all.

The [ աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ warns ]
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http://r.mail.cellphonetaskforce.org/mk/cl/f/O_87wf9F9sO-7fRZN2OK5TXOyrKENgmNQqZiZHIXtqeP8Hj462nyjaaniCdzIxntTDcr_2IwzpVLxNI9l4TkIPAHUp7OzdXkTmmGi7EhvDgd4ymK0XNFYKqfZDKKPIpB8LlukZ2zbLInHaT1GjgFsZ8rADkTynsUZlD-Eubbj-h7HQiOkTnyx6r76qyVZDOM4qC8v30PFgfpA6w5awdbpFpEtuhYFcPgAFP-8tXwwP_tUS1YM1d6ILHNxQt8OsWTqgxuJNxp
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that wearing a medical mask “may create a false sense of security” against
COVID-19 and that “no evidence is available on its usefulness to protect
non-sick persons.”

The N95 respirator, recommended for medical workers, requires training to
use properly and “without training, the masks could not only expose workers
to the virus but also lull them into thinking they are protected,” [
according to doctors at the Harvard School of Public Health ]
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http://r.mail.cellphonetaskforce.org/mk/cl/f/uRBAKxuI-vGseqUc4PXNgQvaXVR6tC7azBqEIs7OhKI4r6VI1hbYXdpSCaUL_n6Glr7B80YnWxXjLIdRCSt5kxAXpxCren5X729p3ZhmrW4wluUBICYG0ZPv6FK435sz8eog1AOd-aEsm74KEwxjYvhEt14HDgH4fqE-bRFATee_GMUVwAW0badrd4fmF6luaf5cNVHuU8A9ao6zFYd4ZyPxwIgvW6FzKUAzz4FeOV5Tb-V1eh_GjW5MAi0n22WtG7VvTR_9VA
).

In practice, even the N95 mask has been found to be ineffective in
preventing the transmission of viruses. A [ review of six clinical studies ]
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http://r.mail.cellphonetaskforce.org/mk/cl/f/uxCRPFUAsZSrPkljGXQo3P2XIi-NoW-VS-oF5GByURs_nWfIpd-ZFFGDTW5tqfUTQ8IWbq5dQOMOD9KLxoeliebkm4iGivjB248HMt0sAvuR8NLo9HwKdZYvE-Zak56-YyYE7-0KYjzBtiYwOIREo7E2M0Slc8nW8a152tk5asZvzhgQDSo7u2aXB_2x722sXeN95CqjZ81H4uXmUtIWWGBmxQ
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published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, found that medical
workers caught viruses from their patients just as often when they used N95
respirators as when they used ordinary medical masks.

Masks are harmful to the wearer. COVID-19 kills by causing severe hypoxia
(low levels of oxygen in the blood). People wearing masks rebreathe some of
their exhaled air, lowering the amount of oxygen they are breathing.

Wearing respirators come with a host of physiological and psychological
burdens. These can interfere with task performances and reduce work
efficiency. These burdens can even be severe enough to cause
life-threatening conditions if not ameliorated,” wrote the author of a [
2016 article ]
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http://r.mail.cellphonetaskforce.org/mk/cl/f/i0fqcNsmiRRJ3yGyTSyAS7mRicrbfefYWcp-UWTCUbpEbLzPQuIrX7GvnumEfxyx3eloK5xpD_oCWk-5TzADPWVoH5OU_HuBWWwtQwyEkKBa1RdLzVHMo4PLw2w5wnNFhB-V1gUzvOqiTAMk8zOkKkq2bbk38BBCUOVVn3zyUFtMcAW2pUnhZv4Lf4pjF3h5v9RATDhRvdvZFXAfBLYyJSgZrBkPJhARYOKehxpPvM6k_xoFIQ_vc9usZgEW0w-cJLA
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in the Journal of Biological Engineering. When the N95 respirator [ was
tested in use in 2010 ](
http://r.mail.cellphonetaskforce.org/mk/cl/f/lRsXgHT17u0Dts2fduapxPyry_uOcF_W35a3av2ZF-CKbSfF7seNtvl8sxeCAf6ujxc62IM5W_vKfgZ23M44HjixM_n3YNlSnGGEWTKQDbD-bTRlcj7jhR_e-AThuvx6sL20cdXbHFcbkXQhYoYJBlAaMUObUzxKqPv2D5Ui62RHH8J7J-vnps_rGmoL--q7cgrVa5wc0nfTyAuDfxLXZw
),
the dead-space oxygen and carbon dioxide levels did not meet the
Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s ambient workplace
standards.”

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: CatholicInAmerica on May 10, 2020, 02:42:17 AM
Yes, I've heard that saying "I have a medical condition" will allow you to avoid a mask.  The real problem, will be the fight over forced vaccinations.  Even the "conservative" heroes out there (Ben Shapiro types) are all accepting (i.e. promoting/indoctrinating the sheeple) that the vaccine will be the fix for our crisis.  This is the end game.  The NY public health dept already is on video saying they are pre-planning for the vaccine roll-out.  "We already have the syringes ready."
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This will be the true battle for freedom.  If they can force vaccinations, then we're one hop-skip-and-a-jump away from a cashless society with chip implants.
I’m nervous for this “forced vaccination”. If colleges force students to take it then I’m going to have to drop out. I’m just graduating high school right now and I have a strong feeling that the college I am going to attend will force students to get the vaccine and I’m not worried for my future without college so much as I am for my parents response if I would have to leave college. Hopefully it’s not forced though 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on May 10, 2020, 07:41:13 PM
They are mandated to go to our grocery store.  They would not allow a man inside the grocery store because he didn’t have a mask.  He said that in Florida no one had to wear a mask. 

Title: Individualism/Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: AlligatorDicax on May 11, 2020, 01:00:46 AM

They are mandated to go for going to our grocery store.  They would not allow a man inside the grocery store because he didn’t have a mask.

Really? Who is "mandated to go to your grocery store"?  Lawyers have argued before the U.S. Supreme Court that a government mandate that requires people to buy specific goods or services from a specific source is unConstitutional.

A grocery is a private business.  The grocery is private property.  They are allowed to place restrictions on entry to their own property.  There's no illegal discrimination involved.  So it's entirely proper.  You're plenty senior enough to remember widespread posting of signs saying "No shirt, no shoes, no service".


He said that in Florida no one had to wear a mask.

That decision seems to have been left to individuals in Florida.

But such accomodation of individualism exacts a price: The State of Florida also continued to allow passenger aircraft that was known to be flying directly from New York and New Jersey, filled with New Yorkers and New Jerseyites fleeing widespread CoVID-19 in their own states, to land and release all their passengers with practically  no restrictions whatsoever.   Do you really believe that there's absolutely no connection between the 3 counties notorious for being infested with retirees from New York & New Jersey: Broward, Palm Beach, and Miami-Dade, and their grim distinction as the counties with the greatest number of confirmed cases--and probably also deaths--in the state?
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 11, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
Like many others. I have health issues which preclude my being able to wear a face mask.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Marys Anawim on May 11, 2020, 03:49:35 PM
Ugh I am so annoyed...here it is a state ordinance to wear a mask when in any store (that is the few that are open) I can't stand it...It is unhealthy to do it and I so just want to be normal not give into this tyranny. I printed out that card and am thinking of using it. Also thinking of going to the store when the least amount of people are shopping. I have been trying to order online as much as possible but its such a hassle.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 11, 2020, 04:35:59 PM
I just went to a Cabela’s store (hunting/guns/fishing) where there was a long line outside I had to stand in.

I was happy to see only 10-20% of the people were wearing masks.

Behind me, a couple sheeple start talking about COVID, and I told the guy not to worry: If he gets it, he will just have a runny nose for 3 days and be fine.

Then they started talking about vaccines, and I told him Bill Gates wants him to get one, but he won’t give one to his kids.

Then he thought there should be a special line for all the hero nurses, and I asked him why?  All the hospitals are empty, so what have they done to deserve special honor?

Then the whole section of the line I was in started arguing, evenly split on both sides.

Meanwhile, the line continues to progress, and as I get into the store, I see the employees are arguing between themselves in front of the customers:

One kid was complaining that everyone should have to wear a mask, while another gal was mad those kinds of measures are turning our country socialist.

Things are getting hot!  

I was just relieved to see some few people outside CI at least semi-aware of what’s happening.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: alaric on May 11, 2020, 04:45:59 PM
I just went to a Cabela’s store (hunting/guns/fishing) where there was a long line outside I had to stand in.

I was happy to see only 10-20% of the people were wearing masks.

Behind me, a couple sheeple start talking about COVID, and I told the guy not to worry: If he gets it, he will just have a runny nose for 3 days and be fine.

Then they started talking about vaccines, and I told him Bill Gates wants him to get one, but he won’t give one to his kids.

Then he thought there should be a special line for all the hero nurses, and I asked him why?  All the hospitals are empty, so what have they done to deserve special honor?

Then the whole section of the line I was in started arguing, evenly split on both sides.

Meanwhile, the line continues to progress, and as I get into the store, I see the employees are arguing between themselves in front of the customers:

One kid was complaining that everyone should have to wear a mask, while another gal was mad those kinds of measures are turning our country socialist.

Things are getting hot!  

I was just relieved to see some few people outside CI at least semi-aware of what’s happening.
This whole situation about wearing the masks in public reminded me of how all the fαɢs used to "shame" people about wearing the AIDS ribbon. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Lol!

And this is from a Jєω sitcom. so true! Wear you're damn mask! Lol!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iV8X8ubGCc
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 11, 2020, 05:04:37 PM
I just went to a Cabela’s store (hunting/guns/fishing) where there was a long line outside I had to stand in.

I was happy to see only 10-20% of the people were wearing masks.

Behind me, a couple sheeple start talking about COVID, and I told the guy not to worry: If he gets it, he will just have a runny nose for 3 days and be fine.

Then they started talking about vaccines, and I told him Bill Gates wants him to get one, but he won’t give one to his kids.

Then he thought there should be a special line for all the hero nurses, and I asked him why?  All the hospitals are empty, so what have they done to deserve special honor?

Then the whole section of the line I was in started arguing, evenly split on both sides.

Meanwhile, the line continues to progress, and as I get into the store, I see the employees are arguing between themselves in front of the customers:

One kid was complaining that everyone should have to wear a mask, while another gal was mad those kinds of measures are turning our country socialist.

Things are getting hot!  

I was just relieved to see some few people outside CI at least semi-aware of what’s happening.
Yes, it's good to see that some people are aware. Also we see how thorough they are with their "divide and conquer" technique.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: AlligatorDicax on May 15, 2020, 08:00:02 PM

Ugh I am so annoyed ... here it is a state ordinance to wear a mask when in any store[...] I can't stand it ...


I was happy to see only 10-20% of the people were wearing masks. [....] I was just relieved to see some few people outside CI at least semi-aware of what’s happening.

"No!  Those 10-20% are not aware at all: I'm very disappointed to see that here in CathInfo, the prevailing opinion is expressed by what might be called "inverse sheeple": Otherwise intelligent members who accept any & all conspiracy hypotheses that someone is able to articulate.  Such hypotheses ought not be adopted without applying a rational sense of discrimination.


It is unhealthy to do it and I so just want to be normal not give into this tyranny.

Let's be clear on this: When I wear a face-mask, I'm not protecting myself; there is truth in conclusions about that the protection provided by face-masks is imperfect to various degrees.  Anyone without a well-fitted face-mask would be foolish to wade repeatedly into a CoVID-19-infested environment, and expect  to be made invulnerable to catching CoVID-19.  But for medical care-givers working 12-hour shifts, it's the best option they have.  And the presumed protection can be even more imperfect for people or institutions that fail to make even simple efforts at maintaining those masks.  For ordinary folks in the near future, it seems likely that it'll be far easier, e.g., to sanitize such masks with a soaking spray of high-strength rubbing alcohol, than to buy new masks in bulk.

So instead, when I wear a face-mask, I understand that I'm protecting my neighbors.  It's less than "perfect" to varying degrees, but it's the best opportunity we got.

Plenty of cօռspιʀαcιҽs are real, including some related to CoVID-19, but wearing face-masks to reduce the spread of CoVID-19 among your neighbors, much more as a matter of slowing it than any rational hopes of preventing it, is not among them.  It's an issue of public health, not an exercise in gov't oppression, but there's little chance of success unless local populations coöperate, instead of rebelling irrationally to the minor physical burden involved.


I told the guy not to worry: If he gets it, he will just have a runny nose for 3 days and be fine.

Holy [expletive]!  Are you really that ignorant?  For the sake of people who've survived into their senior years, and might wander into your smugly ignorant and inappropriately rebellious path, please, go read or review, then ponder, a March 22 reposting by "Clemens Maria": "‘S***, this Is Not The Flu’".  Reply #53, March 22, 2020, 20:07:52): <https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/the-coronavirus-hoax-by-ron-paul/msg691933/#msg691933 (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/the-coronavirus-hoax-by-ron-paul/msg691933/#msg691933)> [×].  And keep in mind that the younger a person is, the more likely that he will be asymptomatic despite being infected and contagious.

I'm very glad that I found a reliable forum for factual info on CoVID-19.  It's outside CathInfo, and its participants collectively understand not only medicine, biochemistry, and other sciences, but also can recognize evidence of international & national cօռspιʀαcιҽs.  Of which there are plenty in modern times.

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Note ×: Originally appearing as "Coronavirus [:] A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 — Even in His Young Patients".  “It first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy [manure], this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube.”  By Lizzie Presser, March 21, 5 a.m. EDT.  <https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients (https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients)>.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 16, 2020, 01:05:18 PM
Mr. Alligator I have seen all kinds of things being hacked up this COVID time including some happy black blood clots.
Good times 
Very happy they were sick for weeks because it only lasts three days.

Twice I had to hold on to railings at work to keep from passing out.  O2 sats running 90- 91. Needed to use a lung exercise machine for two weeks after I felt better. Used Zinc massive doses of Vitamin c, Selenium, Myrrh, and tonic with quinine. All in February before we knew it was here. 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
when I wear a face-mask, I understand that I'm protecting my neighbors.
Why? Do you think you have Covid19? You aren't protecting anyone by wearing a mask and that mask is more likely to hurt you.

For your own health and that of others, you'd be better off keeping away from old folks homes, doctors, and hospitals. I've done that all of my life, nothing new to me.

See the CI thread Neurosurgeon Says Face Masks Pose Serious Risk To Healthy People (https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people/msg699445/#msg699445)  https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people/msg699445/?topicseen#msg699445 (https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people/msg699445/?topicseen#msg699445)
 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: fatimarevelation23 on May 16, 2020, 01:40:55 PM
I agree with AlligatorDicax, My sister is a full time nurse and she wears a mask full time. We need masks for the medical field. Coronavirus is being used as a political tool for taking away people's freedoms for the future which is sad and we have to watch out for that. But, this is a global health issue. I believe in many cօռspιʀαcιҽs about freemasons, the illuminati, NWO, etc. But, the coronavirus is a terrible thing that is killing people. I hope for a cure and I have a view on vaccines that would probably be controversial on this forum. After reading more into the issue of vaccines, I believe we do need a coronavirus vaccine especially to protect the elderly. I myself have been vaccinated throughout my life and I have been pretty healthy myself. I have bad Plaque  Psoriasis and I am only 19. I am proud that I have been vaccinated since I was a baby because I wouldn't want to have more health problems. 

If it weren't for vaccines, Many of us would have polio and be in iron lung machines. Back when I was a Missouri-Synod Lutheran, I had a lutheran pastor who had polio when he was a kid and it crippled him, he learned how to walk again. Vaccines made smallpox disappear completely. It has saved the U.S. government $1.34 trillion in societal costs. I don't care if the argument is that a chickenpox vaccine has ingredients that are considered "immoral" or that vaccines cause autism because of a mercury compound (which is literally based off one surgeon's study in 1997). In response to the mercury argument, we still have americans with asbestos in their houses. We used to have led paint-thinner. We used to drink and smoke when we were pregnant. I don't care because the good outweighs the bad with the issue of vaccines and if us Catholics become anti-vaxxers, we just contribute to a bigger global health issue and make things harder than it is. Let's as catholics push for better health of all people and also leave it to Jesus because the bible does not condemn vaccinations. I do agree that babies can't handle so many vaccines at once and that is why it is good to wait a while. It is all the parent's decision and leave it at that. Leave it to the individual. If you have a problem with this then take it up with the CDC, FDA, IOM, AMA, WHO, etc. God Bless.  :pray:
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 16, 2020, 01:57:28 PM
if us Catholics become anti-vaxxers, we just contribute to a bigger global health issue and make things harder than it is.
Have you opened your mind to the possibility that people exist who have a larger knowledge base than you do? If you do a little research, you will learn that the term "anti-vaxxer" (like the term "conspiracy theorist" or the term "anti-choice") is a term that originated as a psy-op (psychological operation) in order to discredit the opposition.
Repeated use of these pejorative slurs is calculated to end intellectual discourse and replace it with the shaming and silencing of those who have knowledge of facts threatening to the PTB (powers that be -- i.e. the "mystery of iniquity" spoken of in Holy Scripture.)
A good place to start expanding your own knowledge base is here:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
It is run by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the son of the αssαssιnαtҽd Robert F. Kennedy and the nephew of the αssαssιnαtҽd John F. Kennedy. I think you will enjoy learning new information.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2020, 02:09:33 PM
I myself have been vaccinated throughout my life and I have been pretty healthy myself. I have bad Plaque  Psoriasis and I am only 19. I am proud that I have been vaccinated since I was a baby because I wouldn't want to have more health problems.
I'm in my late 60's and my wife is 20+ years younger than me and all of my children are younger than you. I am in perfect health and have never had a flu vaccine in my life. Let me know how your health turns in another 30 years.

When I was 25 (40+ years ago) I took my 11 year old dog to the vet for a fishing lure hook stuck in his lip and the vet said that there was a bad flu/virus (??) that was killing dogs that I should have the dog get the shot for it. The dog was in perfect health, he ran around and looked like he was 5 years old. Three months after the shot the dog had aged 10 years, his face fur turned white, he became blind and developed a tumor on his anus. I had to put him down.  Since then I do not listen to doctors advise about flu vaccines.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Struthio on May 16, 2020, 02:47:56 PM
I have bad Plaque  Psoriasis and I am only 19. I am proud that I have been vaccinated since I was a baby because I wouldn't want to have more health problems.

That's a so called "immunesystem problem". Probably caused by vaccines.


A 19 year old with a bad Plaque Psoriasis calling himself "pretty healthy" is a bad joke.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2020, 03:47:00 PM
When I was a teen I had the normal acne teens get in humid sweaty tropical climates and my mother took me a dermatologist. For three years he gave me antibiotics to take every day and I had to go through three different antibiotics through the years because the acne became immune to them. Before I took the antibiotics,  I never missed a day of school. After the antibiotics my great immune system was compromised and I would catch colds like 3x a year. One of the treatments the doctor gave me was a 14 session radiation treatments to shrink the oil glands in my face. Luckily my mother stopped it after three sessions or I would be a wrinkled prune face today. All the time my aunt kept telling my mother to stop all of that garbage and to just take me to get facial cleanings by her old dermatologist's nurse (the nurse was like 75). My mom finally listened after three years and from then on my acne was taken care of. Had my mom listened to my aunt's age old natural solution  from the beginning, I would not have had to go through that ordeal of being a test mouse for "modern" up to date" dermatologist. It took me 10 +years to bring my immune system back closer to  what it was when I was young. I do not take antibiotics for anything except for severe infections, maybe three times in the last 30+ years.

After I was like 20, we found a real good doctor that was close to my family, almost like an uncle. Most of the time he would tell us to just tolerate the problem, and let your body take care of it. If another doctor said I needed to take something or do something, I'd call my doctor to ask him and always he would tell me to just ignore the advise. After having been cut up in a boating accident, I was diagnosed as having a heart attack at the emergency room of a famous hospital. I was 32 years old. I called my doctor and he came right over. They had me all wired up with monitors. He walked and said what's happening young man. He looked at the clipboard at the foot of the bed for 3 seconds and asked the nurse where on the clipboard does he sign to release me. The nurse said that the floor heart specialist wanted me to stay overnight for observation, that I had had a heart attack. My doctor said, yeah, yeah, but where do I sign to release him. She showed him, he signed it and said to me, "rise and walk", then he said he'd be right back that as long as he was there he'd go see another patient and come back to walk out with me. I got dressed and was ready to go when the floor heart specialist walked in and said what are you doing getting dressed? I told him my doctor had released me. He then called and asked her what doctor released me, that I had had a heart attack and that he said I must stay overnight for observation. The nurse said it was Dr. X that had released me, and the floor heart specialist hunched over like a dog tucking his tail between his legs. He said, Dr.X is his doctor? Then that second Dr. X walked in and the floor doctor greeted him like a child greets the pope. That day I learned that  my family friend doctor, Dr.X, was a renowned heart specialist. The man had no pretensions about him, I always though he was just my family doctor. Anyhow, the floor doctor takes the chart and asks Dr.X how he could just release me just like that with what the chart was showing that I had had a heart attack. Dr. X told him, yes, yes, it can indicate a heart attack, however, you see this and that, it can also indicate that it is a vasalvagal response. You see, I've known this young man since he was a boy and he is a bull  and his grandfather is the same, he is 95 years old and is in better shape than a 60 year old. The problem is that they both pass out from sharp pains, thy are vasalvagal's. That chart can also mean they had a vasalvagal reponse to pain. 

Had my doctor not been there, I would have been diagnosed as having a heart attack at 32! I would not have been able to get insurance from anyone and who knows what else.

Dr.X passed away 17 years ago and since then stories like that heart attack diagnoses have multiplied through the years. I can't go to a doctor without them diagnosing fathom illnesses and always proven totally wacked out wrong over the years. I never listened to one of them. I think to myself, OK, thanks for the warning, now I know to look for another doctor. Reminds of the time I went to a chiropractor (yes I know they are not MD's) because someone gave me a free visit pass. I had injured my hand playing football. I was like 26. He said my back was out of wack that I should come in to be adjusted. I told him, yesterday was bench pressing 350lbs, over two times my body weight, if my back is out of wack, I'll just leave it that way.

From experience I do not listen blindly to doctors. When I find another Dr.X I'll let everyone know. 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 16, 2020, 05:13:46 PM
Cute video mocking face masks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDXG-dHugc
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 16, 2020, 07:16:27 PM
Radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967

A boating accident so you were kept overnight for a heart attack? With no tests done? Charts talk?  Vasovagal response is a response to pain or stress not the other way around.

Many people have heart attacks and never know that they happened. I've seen it.

I managed to play football baseball soccer and run 25 miles and still have a vertebrae that's 3/4 missing. It doesn't stop me from getting an adjustment. Chiropractics are fine when they stick to the basics of their field.

You must have had some truly incompetent Drs. 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 16, 2020, 07:27:58 PM
Individual anecdotal accounts are not acceptable as proof of anything.
We don't accept one person's account in  even a legal setting. 

Let's not become enamored of our isolation as Catholics to imagine that everything is out to get us.
The command not to 🐻 false witness is much further down the command chain than obedience to those in authority. Further everything is not always a conspiracy. People are quite bad enough on their own and do stupid things. Not every Doctor is trying to kill you and most nurses didn't go to school because they want to kill you
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2020, 08:14:59 PM
Radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967

A boating accident so you were kept overnight for a heart attack? With no tests done? Charts talk?  Vasovagal response is a response to pain or stress not the other way around.

Many people have heart attacks and never know that they happened. I've seen it.

I managed to play football baseball soccer and run 25 miles and still have a vertebrae that's 3/4 missing. It doesn't stop me from getting an adjustment. Chiropractics are fine when they stick to the basics of their field.

You must have had some truly incompetent Drs.
Your response is of one that does not read well. No tests done? I was kept all night? Just a boating accident? 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2020, 08:19:17 PM
Individual anecdotal accounts are not acceptable as proof of anything.
We don't accept one person's account in  even a legal setting.

Let's not become enamored of our isolation as Catholics to imagine that everything is out to get us.
The command not to 🐻 false witness is much further down the command chain than obedience to those in authority. Further everything is not always a conspiracy. People are quite bad enough on their own and do stupid things. Not every Doctor is trying to kill you and most nurses didn't go to school because they want to kill you
Your response has no connection with what I wrote, except maybe in your mind.

The experiences I posted were all of doctors inventing or conveniently diagnosing illnesses and afflictions that were proved to be non-existent,  to make big money.

It is ALL about money. My Dr. X  could care less about money, he was a real doctor, all of the bad examples I gave involved big money cures, except the dog vaccine and it killed him.  
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Nadir on May 16, 2020, 08:52:30 PM
Maccabeansoft said:


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I don't care if the argument is that a chickenpox vaccine has ingredients that are considered "immoral"...

What is you take on cannibalism, Macca?
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 17, 2020, 12:26:25 AM
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One of the treatments the doctor gave me was a 14 session radiation treatments to shrink the oil glands in my face.
Radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967

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After having been cut up in a boating accident

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I was kept all night? Just a boating accident?

You seem to be confused about your story
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 17, 2020, 12:53:53 AM
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I can't go to a doctor without them diagnosing fathom illnesses and always proven totally wacked out wrong over the years. I never listened to one of them.
Did you grow the antibiotics in your garage?

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I do not take antibiotics for anything except for severe infections, maybe three times in the last 30+ years.
You do instead trust a Dr who

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He looked at the clipboard at the foot of the bed for 3 seconds
A chiropractic adjustment is not a big ticket item. Chiropractors avg 70,000$ a year.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: fatimarevelation23 on May 17, 2020, 01:57:35 AM
I have been reading people's responses to my post earlier. I have learned some things. To Last Tradhican, I am very sorry for what happened to your dog. I think what that vet did to your dog was a disgrace and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. I will pray for you. In the past, I've heard a few success stories with vaccines like smallpox or polio. But, what happened to Last Tradhican was horrible. I am sorry for what you had to do to your dog. As for Cera, thank you for teaching me some things on the term Anti-Vaxxers. I found that very interesting. Thank you to Last Tradhican and Cera, my view on vaccines kind of changed after more research and the responses I've received. I don't think we should get rid of vaccines altogether. But, I see the other side more now. Nadir asked what I thought of cannibalism. That sounded a little too extreme and I wish he would have explained more what he was asking me but I understand what he was getting at. I think it is stupid some of the ingredients people had trouble with in vaccines. But, then I dug deeper. I found out that some vaccines actually have aborted fetus tissue in them. That is horrible and I think catholics need to definitely look into some of these vaccines and study them before even considering taking them. Whoever put aborted fetal tissue in some of these vaccines aren't gonna do good on Judgement Day, that I can tell you. I believe Abortion is America's h0Ɩ0cαųst. 

Thank you all for your responses, I loved them. I also think it is terrible how the government is trying to force people to vaccinate. I think that should be the person's decision. This is why I am a libertarian traditionalist catholic. I believe the individual should decide their own life and their own fate without the government trying to be their mom. But, that is another subject for another day. All in all, God bless you all and thank you. I am proud to be a part of this forum. Every life has a story. God bless you all again.

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: fatimarevelation23 on May 17, 2020, 02:08:50 AM
That's a so called "immunesystem problem". Probably caused by vaccines.


A 19 year old with a bad Plaque Psoriasis calling himself "pretty healthy" is a bad joke.
To Struthio, My Plaque Psoriasis was not caused by a vaccine. It was caused by genetics. My mother has Plaque Psoriasis and Lupus. When she gave birth to me, I had Lupus antibodies. I have a whole history of immune system problems in my family. My brother has a rare immune system disease where his body doesn't produce enough plasma and he has horrible muscle problems. My dad's mom had an immune system problem and a skin condition and she wasn't the most healthy woman. She definitely did not get it from vaccines and she was born in the early 1940's. MS also runs in my family. I could go on and on. I am sorry Struthio. But, you were wrong on this. my whole family history of immune system problems likely did not come from a vaccination because many were just born with these problems. I forgot to tell people that I myself refused a vaccination a year ago because it was for me if I was sɛҳuąƖly active which I wasn't. I recommend you read my last post before this one too. I clear some things up. I forgive you though Struthio. God Bless.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 17, 2020, 04:52:49 AM
Radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967

You seem to be confused about your story
I described something I lived, and the mind of the  writer above takes it as a personal insult and  starts to turn it into hundreds of a debates about every word that I wrote. I can see where this is going.  But, I am not going there, except for this one posting.

The writer says  "Radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967". Was he even born in 1967? I was treated with the radiation in 1970 to 1971, I remember the years because I was in 10th grade when I had the treatments, yet I never studied the subject any further, for I wasn't going to get anymore treatments. The writer above likely looked up radiation treatments for acne on wiki and responded that  "Radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967". Who knows what that means to him? What exactly does posting that "radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967" have to do with my story? The point of my story is as clear as day to anyone that reads everything I wrote, and yet the writer does not want to see it because he is insulted. In fact, his response proves my point, "radiation for acne was disproved as a treatment in 1967", and yet doctors were using it as a treatment for years before and after it was disproven. The writer proves my point that we are just guinea pigs for these doctors to "disprove" while we get harmed instead of cured.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Nadir on May 17, 2020, 06:09:54 AM
Maccabeansoft said:
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Nadir asked what I thought of cannibalism. That sounded a little too extreme and I wish he would have explained more what he was asking me but I understand what he was getting at.
Macca, you sound humble and willing to learn. You had said that you did not care that the ingredients of vaccine were immoral. You also made light of the seriousness of dangerous ingredient (mercury) in vaccines. I decided to let that one pass for the moment.

I had previously (on another thread) encouraged you to learn more about vaccines and told you how to access more information. Maybe you did not read that post. But you cannot deny knowing the immorality of the vaccine, because You say you understand what I was getting at - which is of course the killing of babies and benefitting through (cashing in on) their deaths by the making of vaccines for profit and for killing, sterilizing and disabling other of God's creatures by injecting these ill-gotten materials into our bodies which are temples of the Holy Ghost. This is not a trivial thing. It really is akin to cannibalism. 

If I sounded extreme it was because I wished to get through to you. Sometimes it is necessary to shock in order to get through.

By the way that little pink symbol under my name denotes that I am female!

Anyway, if I haven't said so yet, welcome. I wish you many blessings here on CathInfo.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 17, 2020, 07:06:13 AM
It means that your doctor was doing something that required his license be taken away.
You think that your disjointed personal story of three personal incidents over your seventy years of life is somehow relevant to how all Drs are. 
This is patently false because not all Drs are in it for the money.

How am I insulted because I point out fallacies in your story?
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The writer proves my point that we are just guinea pigs for these doctors to "disprove" while we get harmed instead of cured

You state that your Dr saved you from a false diagnosis of a heart attack. Were you his guinea pig? Were you a victim of a money grubbing Dr trying to kill you when you took antibiotics three times for infections? Were these Doctors the evil doctors or are there super secret evil doctor levels that you know about using your decoder ring?


Fortunately you are the only man on the face of the Earth who is able to know the hearts and minds of Gods creatures. 

FYI Men go into the medical field for many reasons, some to heal, some to make money, some think they can better mankind. Some are aholes some are saints but few are out to get you.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: alaric on May 17, 2020, 07:07:05 AM
Cute video mocking face masks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDXG-dHugc
I'm seeing all kinds of idiots here in NY driving around by themselves with a mask on.

It seems especially popular with the black community.

A real fashion statement. ::)
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/CCD9/production/_112314425_52ce24ee-3db1-421f-8bf2-db590184680b.jpg)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: 54rosary on May 17, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
Mrs. 54 Rosary story as follows:

April 23, 2020 I walked into a Whole Foods store maskless.

I was chased down by a slubglob customer service clerk and verbally chastised.

A masked man customer started screaming at me "You should be ashamed of yourself"
over, and over, and over and over . . .

The so called manager comes after me following my placing two cucuмbers and a bag
of lettuce in my cart.

Tells me I must wear a mask.  So I ask her to provide one.

She says no and calls the police on me.

I await them, continue to shop, as masked man follows me around the store.
I provide him with some comments and very choice words.
He finally stops and goes away.

Two police cruisers pull up, two police officers, come to discuss the matter with me.

One of the officers was decent, the other was not. (Is this good cop, bad cop or what!)

I was told that I must leave the store as it is a privately owned store and they have the
right to do so.  (what about the florists and bakers, etc. that were put out of business
and other evils for so called choosing as private businesses to decline to serve certain groups of people?)

I asked the officer if I could be arrested, and he said I could for disorderly conduct.

I wanted to buy the two cukes and bag of lettuce, but the police said I was not allowed to.

The two officers escorted me to put back the items, following which I was blindsided from behind by a "possible male" employee with panicked loud tone who said that I could not put them back.  ( I was wearing rubber gloves the whole time).

THE two police officers then escorted me out the door.

Just soze ya know, I did leave out some minor details.

All in all, it was . . .  

I'll let you fill in the blank.  


Mr. and Mrs, Rosary are not wearing masks, and we are
referring the concerned others to the fact that we are not required to do so according
to the laws pertaining to the American Disabilities Act.

See the form to carry with you that has been provided by others
in this topic above.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: confederate catholic on May 17, 2020, 03:33:04 PM
Fortunately I have not yet encountered mask police, then again I am in the deep South in a big red area. Most here don't wear masks
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: AlligatorDicax on May 19, 2020, 01:00:11 AM

Do you think you have Covid19?   You aren't protecting anyone by wearing a mask and that mask is more likely to hurt you.

Nonsense!  You're putting your ignorance of really basic facts about CoVID-19 on display here in CathInfo.

It doesn't matter whether I  "think" I have CoVID-19.  I can transmit the infection to other people regardless of whether I--or anyone else--correctly diagnose my symptoms.  The latter aspect is called being "asymptomatic".  In several countries, credible front-line emergency or i.c.u. doctors, plus nurses (the latter spending more time with patients than the 5--15-min. of e.r. doctors), figured that out a few months ago.  No thanks to arguably criminal foot-dragging by the WHO and CDC.  That overall devious characteristic of the virus has already been shown to spread undiagnosed infections to hospitals, long-term nursing facilities, and the general population.  And that was established before a few foolish state-governors, all Democrats, arguably criminally decreed that long-term nursing facilities must accept any & all CoVID-19 patients.  Notably in New York, which leads our nation in confirmed cases of CoVID-19 by a huge margin, but also in New Jersey, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, where comparable decrees were issued.  As if densely-populated public-transportation-intensive, and widely elevator-dependent New York City needed additional vulnerabilities.


For your own health and that of others, you'd be better off keeping away from old folks homes [....]

Hey-ell!  I am an old folk.  Should I conclude that my repeated mentions of receiving First Communion before Vatican II passed right over your head?  I live in a community populated by such residents.  But we're all ambulatory, and no medical care is provided, so it's definitely not a "nursing home".


For your own health and that of others, you'd be better off keeping away from [...] doctors, and hospitals.  

Ummm, no.  Thanks to a hereditary noncontagious ailment that surfaced quite late in my life, I need to present myself frequently at a local hospital for chemical therapy.  Alas, it's really only a mitigation, because there's no cure.  As I was taught in my parochial school, "we all have our crosses to bear".  So that's among the most significant of mine.


I've done that all of my life, nothing new to me.

So you and your family have been specially blessed during "all of [your] life" not to have older relatives who needed monitoring of their care, whether in an "old folks home" or a "hospital", or at least would welcome visits from your family?  I'm envious, as I have no doubt that many other CathInfo readers must be.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Stubborn on May 19, 2020, 05:40:56 AM
Nonsense!  You're putting your ignorance of really basic facts about CoVID-19 on display here in CathInfo.
AD, surely you know that *something* crooked with this whole thing is going on. I mean, yes, the first week or two we were all pretty much believing this so called pandemic was a danger to at least some extent, but by now we should all see the thing has been blown so far out of proportion to scare people to the point that many idiots are wearing masks while driving in the car alone with the windows up.

There is more than enough information and verified accounts exposing the whole thing as a giant fraud, that whoever still falls for the lying media's narrative as the whole truth is in actuality, part of the problem. 
 
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on May 19, 2020, 07:06:28 AM
AD, surely you know that *something* crooked with this whole thing is going on. I mean, yes, the first week or two we were all pretty much believing this so called pandemic was a danger to at least some extent, but by now we should all see the thing has been blown so far out of proportion to scare people to the point that many idiots are wearing masks while driving in the car alone with the windows up.

There is more than enough information and verified accounts exposing the whole thing as a giant fraud, that whoever still falls for the lying media's narrative as the whole truth is in actuality, part of the problem.  
 
Stubborn, I’m liking your posts more and more! 😀
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: MyrnaM on May 19, 2020, 07:38:19 AM
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Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: TKGS on May 19, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
Nonsense!  You're putting your ignorance of really basic facts about CoVID-19 on display here in CathInfo.

The way the official change by the CDC and the "medical experts" from don't wear a mask to always wear a mask overnight is very reminicent of how the people found out on the sixth day of Hate Week that "Oceania was not after all at war with Eurasia. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally."  The banners and posters all around the square were suddenly wrong!  And AlligatorDicax is right there with the crowd saying, "It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work!"
Title: Goldstein/Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask.
Post by: AlligatorDicax on May 19, 2020, 10:00:32 PM
"It was sabotage!  The agents of Goldstein had been at work!"

"A saboteur say you?  Ummm, hmmm.
Goldstein his name?  Ummm, hmmm.

Help you, I can.  Ummm, hmmm.
Youuu seek ‘Incredulous’.  Ummm, hmmm."
Title: Keep wearing those masks!
Post by: Bonaventure on May 20, 2020, 10:18:13 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/cLVJ17P/Mask.jpg)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Stanley N on May 20, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
Why? Do you think you have Covid19? You aren't protecting anyone by wearing a mask and that mask is more likely to hurt you.

See the CI thread Neurosurgeon Says Face Masks Pose Serious Risk To Healthy People (https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people/msg699445/#msg699445)  https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people/msg699445/?topicseen#msg699445 (https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people/msg699445/?topicseen#msg699445)
 
A mask may not help much for various reasons, but do you genuinely think that using a mask for a few minutes poses a serious risk or is likely to hurt you?

The link in the other thread concerns people wearing a mask for hours, which differs a lot from 15 minutes inside a grocery store.

Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: jvk on May 20, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
I think it's more the priniciple of the idea.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 20, 2020, 12:27:14 PM
A mask may not help much for various reasons, but do you genuinely think that using a mask for a few minutes poses a serious risk or is likely to hurt you?

The link in the other thread concerns people wearing a mask for hours, which differs a lot from 15 minutes inside a grocery store.
The article itself says that wearing a mask a few minutes is not harmful. I've used N95 disposable masks for years for mowing, sanding, burning. They are useless for chemical smells, there are other filtration devices for the different chemicals, like chlorine, spray paints, pesticides.....

I see people now wearing masks while riding in their cars, bicycling, working outdoors (and I would not doubt if they wear them in their homes and even when they sleep) . That is the problem. That is what the article is about.
Title: Re: To Wear a Mask or Not to Wear a Mask
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 20, 2020, 12:45:30 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/cLVJ17P/Mask.jpg)
The N95 disposable mask filters, just like the picture shows, allows air to get around the edges because it is not sealed. When I sand fiberglass or pressure treated wood I use the N95 disposable ONLY because it is easy to put on and take off. I really should use a seal mask, but since I only do those jobs like once a year, the amount of fiberglass or PT dust that gets to my nose and throat only does minimal damage. I'll get some throat tickle coughing and sneezing. If I did work like that more frequently, I would have to use my sealed respirator filter. If I am spray painting with 2 part paints, I do not even trust a sealed respirator filter, I would use a supplied air respirator, which is like using an aqua lung, a dive tank. An N95 disposable filter mask is useless for chemicals. Bottom Line is that for avoiding other peoples germs, the N95 disposable filter is just a placebo.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: fatimarevelation23 on May 20, 2020, 10:23:16 PM
The media is lying about Coronavirus 24/7. The government is feeding everyone a false narrative and people are eating it up. I mean just today, Apple and Google unveiled technology for COVID-19 Exposure Alerts. People need to be warned that if we keep this up, the government will just control us more.

FOLLOW THIS!
(https://www.archives.gov/files/founding-docs/constitution_1_of_4_630.jpg)

NOT THIS!

(https://miro.medium.com/max/692/0*HBOhK1I0DiyuhD5v.png)
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Last Tradhican on May 21, 2020, 12:32:46 PM
Nonsense!  You're putting your ignorance of really basic facts about CoVID-19 on display here in CathInfo.

It doesn't matter whether I  "think" I have CoVID-19.  I can transmit the infection to other people regardless of whether I--or anyone else--correctly diagnose my symptoms.  The latter aspect is called being "asymptomatic".  …..
Your "basic facts", what you believe, are based on faith in the news people that you listen to. EVERYTHING that you believe about Covid19 comes from your faith in your information sources. I do not possess your faith. It is as simple as that.

It is like if you believe in the moon landings or global warming or that 9/11 was done by two planes and a few Arabs, your belief in those things would be  based on a faith which I do not have. All of those groups would also  say as you have said to me here: "You're putting your ignorance of really basic facts …. on display".
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: jvk on May 22, 2020, 03:28:29 PM
Just print this out as a card and show it to anyone who asks:

(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/img_1981.png)
I printed this out for my husband, and when he went to Costco, he didn't say anything--just showed it to them.  It actually worked! He was the only one in the store without a mask.  
Thanks for posting this.  
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 22, 2020, 04:54:20 PM
Um, there are a TON of Fed/State laws either outright prohibiting or highly regulating the use of marijuana.

I don't know of any law requiring anyone to wear a face mask out in public.
I was just asked to leave a grocery store for not wearing a mask. I explained that two of my doctors have told me NOT to wear a mask. She said I had to leave.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 22, 2020, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: Stanley N on May 20, 2020, 10:58:11 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/to-wear-a-mask-or-not-to-wear-a-mask/msg700037/#msg700037)
A mask may not help much for various reasons, but do you genuinely think that using a mask for a few minutes poses a serious risk or is likely to hurt you?

The link in the other thread concerns people wearing a mask for hours, which differs a lot from 15 minutes inside a grocery store


Talk to any pulmonologist or cardiologist. Some of us are unable to breathe if wearing a mask AT ALL. When I am forced to do so, I have to use oxygen, which is  much too heavy to carry and therefore must use a walker -- which I do not need without a mask.

I will bring the ADA form with me next time.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Bonaventure on May 22, 2020, 05:26:03 PM
I was just asked to leave a grocery store for not wearing a mask. I explained that two of my doctors have told me NOT to wear a mask. She said I had to leave.

You ask her what statute you were violating?
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: Cera on May 22, 2020, 05:40:32 PM
You ask her what statute you were violating?
Store policy. She acted like a mind-controlled zombie, capable only of repeating her orders.
Title: Re: To wear a mask or Not to wear a mask....
Post by: jvk on May 22, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
That's why my husband didn't say anything.  He just held out the card and let her read it.  As he says, you can't argue with dumb people (or zombies, in this case).