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Offline SeanJohnson

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Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
« on: April 15, 2023, 07:45:47 AM »
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  • Minneapolis OKs dawn Muslim prayer call, 1st for big US city
    Minneapolis will allow broadcast of the Muslim call to prayer in early mornings and late evenings, becoming the first major U.S. city to allow the announcement over speakers five times a day, year-round
    ByThe Associated Press
    April 14, 2023, 9:03 AM

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/dawn-muslim-call-prayer-broadcast-okd-minneapolis-98585679 


    MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. -- Minneapolis will allow broadcasts of the Muslim call to prayer at all hours, becoming the first major U.S. city to allow the announcement or “adhan” to be heard over speakers five times a day, year-round.
    The Minneapolis City Council unanimously agreed Thursday to amend the city's noise ordinance, which had prevented dawn and late evening calls at certain times of the year due to noise restrictions, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported. The vote came during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
    “The Constitution doesn’t sleep at night,” said Jaylani Hussein, executive director of the Minnesota chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, after the vote. He said the action in Minneapolis shows the world that a “nation founded on freedom of religion makes good on its promise.”
    Minneapolis has had a flourishing population of East African immigrants since at least the 1990s, and mosques now are common. Three of 13 members of the council identify as Muslim. The decision drew no organized community opposition. Mayor Jacob Frey is expected to sign the measure next week.
    “Minneapolis has become a city for all religions,” said Imam Mohammed Dukuly of Masjid An-Nur mosque in Minneapolis, who was among several Muslim leaders who witnessed the vote.
    Three years ago, city officials worked with the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque to allow the adhan to be broadcast outdoors five times daily during Ramadan. Prayers are said when light appears at dawn, at noon, at mid- to late afternoon, at sunset and when the night sky appears. In Minnesota, dawn arrives as early as before 5:30 a.m. in summer, while sunset at the solstice happens after 9 p.m.
    The city allowed year-round broadcasts last year, but only between 7 a.m. and 10 p.m. — typically excluding early morning prayer and sometimes night prayer.
    At a recent public hearing, Christian and Jєωιѕн leaders expressed support for extending the hours for the adhan.
    Council Member Lisa Goodman, who on Thursday was observing the final day of [color=var(--hyperlink-resting-color)]Passover[/url], said the Jєωιѕн call to prayer — which is generally spoken rather than broadcast — doesn’t face legal restrictions. Observers said church bells regularly toll for Christians.[/color]
    “It’s something I grew up with, but not my children,” council member Jamal Osman said, adding that hearing the call to prayer from local mosques brings him joy.


    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #1 on: April 15, 2023, 09:35:14 AM »
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  • Pace the assertions of Francis, Almighty God does not will any human person to be a Muslim, but to be fair, this appears to be more of a First Amendment issue of freedom of speech and religion.  So far as I can tell, no tax dollars are involved here, it is just changing of a noise ordinance to allow calls to prayer at various times of the day hitherto restricted.  In the secular nature of things, it seems no different than allowing Angelus bells and so on.

    Again, just trying to be fair.  Sadly, neither a Catholic monarchy "with teeth", nor for that matter a Catholic commonwealth, seem to be on the horizon anytime soon.  We simply don't have the numbers.


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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #2 on: April 15, 2023, 11:03:19 AM »
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  • I wonder if their fairness would permit the Divine Office to be blared over loudspeakers?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #3 on: April 15, 2023, 11:20:14 AM »
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  • The irony is that these same liberals now so supportive of Muslim religious freedom might think twice once said Muslims reach political critical mass and are able to enact their own moral strictures in the community. Goodbye Gomorrah, goodbye letting the good times roll. 
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #4 on: April 15, 2023, 12:11:11 PM »
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  • Well said SimpleMan.

    If one were to do their research they would find that there was a time when some U.S. municipalities, under the influence of a protestant majority and culture, would restrict or ban Angelus bells.  I recall a news article a few years ago about a very "high church" "Anglo Catholic" church which would ring their tower bells at the elevation (some research showed that this used to be a Catholic tradition also, and almost everything "high church" Anglicans do they kept from Rome, not Crammer).  The city tried to restrict this (neighbors complained of noise on Sunday morning), as I recall that church ultimately won.  Regardless of what anyone things the U.S. "should be", it has always been a predominately secular nation with a high degree of "general liberty", as compared to other countries.  In essence, what one group is allowed to do every group is allowed to do ... so if the Angelus and announcement of Mass bells are allowed then every "religions' call" tradition needs to be respected.

    I'm not saying this is "right" from a Catholic perspective, but it is what it is.

    When I was a child (I was born in 1951) my parents belonged to the Legion of Mary https://www.legionofmary.ie/.  They would go visit the homes of people to talk about the Catholic faith (sometimes they would go as a couple, sometimes dad would go with another man or mom with another woman).  I'm thinking who they visited may have been referrals from the parish pastor (priests can't be everywhere), but I don't know.  When I was in middle school the parish where I went to school (we had a farm and lived in a nearby mission parish) would have seminarians every summer (I don't know what year of formation).  Among other duties assigned by the pastor they would go 2 by 2 door to door around town ... black dress shoes, black slacks, white shirts, ties (no jacket, it would be in the 90's or 100's here in the summer).  The Knights of Columbus councils (there are 5 in the area now) would have a booth at the bi-county fair (like the Giddeon's handing out their bibles).  Today every August / early September they put ads in the local paper announcing the upcoming RCIA programs and in December they pay for area billboards to have the "Keep Christ in Christmas" message.

    My point is that throughout history Catholicism has never been a "cut and run" faith, and only rarely has a "semi gnostic" / secretive / bunker / catacomb mentality been considered appropriate or necessary.  Rather than having a "time to get the hell out of here" attitude I think Catholics should make sure that their Angelus bells are ringing and going out two by two to knock on the doors of their neighbors (especially if they are new immigrants) to hand them a Baltimore Catechism.


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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #5 on: April 15, 2023, 12:12:48 PM »
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    Sadly, neither a Catholic monarchy "with teeth", nor for that matter a Catholic commonwealth, seem to be on the horizon anytime soon.  We simply don't have the numbers.
    I know what you're saying (humanly speaking) but let me interject some positivity, if I may.  God has never needed "numbers" to win.  A plethora of examples in the Old Testament and even in modern history.  As for the prophecized catholic monarch and the Holy Pope, let us mediate on these consoling prophecies:


    St. Methodius (4th century). "'A day will come when the enemies of Christ will boast of having conquered the whole world. They will say: 'Christians cannot escape now!'  But a Great King will arise to fight the enemies of God. He will defeat then1, and peace will be given to the world, and the Church will be freed from her anxieties."

    St. Cataldus (5th century). "The Great King will wage war until the age of forty. He will assemble great armies, and hurl back the tyrants out of his empire."

    Rudolph Gekner (17th century). "A Great Prince of the North with a most powerful army will traverse all Europe, uproot all the republics, and defeat all the rebels. His sword moved by divine power will most valiantly defend the Church of Jesus Christ."

    St. Thomas a'Becket (12th century). "A knight shall come from the West. He shall capture Milan, Lombardy, and the three Crowns. He shall then sail to Cyrprus and Famagoste and land at Jaffa, and reach Christ's grave where he will fight. Wars and wonders shall befall till the people believe in Christ toward the end of the world."

    Monk Adso (10th century). "Some of our Teachers say that a King of the Franks will possess the entire Roman Empire. He will be the greatest and the last of all Monarchs. After having wisely governed his kingdom, he will go in the end to Jerusalem and will lay down his sceptre and his crown upon the Mount of Olives. Immediately afterwards, Antichrist will come."


    Abbot Joachin Merlin (13th century). "After many long sufferings endured by Christians, and after too great an effusion of innocent blood, the Lord shall give peace and happiness to the desolated nations. A remarkable Pope will be seated on the pontifical Throne under the special protection of the Angels. Holy and full of gentleness, he shall undo all wrong; he shall recover the Estate of the Church, and reunite the exiled temporal powers. He shall be revered by everybody,and shall recover the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

    He shall reunite the Eastern and the Western Churches. The sanctity of this beneficent Pontiff will be so great that the highest potentates shall bow down in his presence. All men will return to the primitive Church, and there shall be only one Pastor, one Law, one Master - humble, modest, and fearing God. "Before being firmly and solidly established in the Holy See, however, there will be countless wars and violent conflicts during which the sacred Throne will be shaken. But through the favour of divine mercy, moved by the prayers of the faithful, everything will succeed so well that they shall be able to sing hymns of thanksgiving to the glory of the Lord. In order to obtain these happy results, having need of a powerful temporal assistance, the Holy Pontiff will ask for the collaboration of the generous Monarch of France."


    John of the Cleft Rock (14th century). '"Towards the end of the world, tyrants and hostile mobs will rob the Church and the clergy of all their possessions and will afflict and martyr them. Those who heap the most abuse upon themwill be held in high esteem. '"The clergy cannot escape these persecutions, but, because of them, all the servants of the Church will be forced to lead an apostolic life.

    "At that time, the Pope with his cardinals will have to flee Rome in tragic circuмstances to a place where they will be unknown. The Pope will die a cruel death in his exile. The sufferings of the Church will be much greater than at any previous time in her history. But God will raise a holy Pope, and the Angels will rejoice. Enlightened by God, this man will rebuild almost the whole world through his holiness. He will lead everyone to the true Faith. Everywhere, the fear of God, virtue, and good morals will prevail. He will lead all erring sheep back to the fold, and there shall be one faith, one law, one rule of life, and one baptism on earth. All men will love each other and do good, and all quarrels and wars will cease."


    Telesphorus oj Cozensa (16th century). ""A powerful French Monarch and French Pope will regain the Holy Land after terrible wars in Europe. They will convert the World and bring universal peace. They will overcome the German ruler."

    Sf. Louis-Marie De Montfort (18th century)  "'The power of Mary over all devils will be particularly out standing in the last period of time. She will extend the Kingdom of C'hrist over the idolaters and Moslems, and there will come a glorious era when Mary is the Ruler and Queen of Hearts."

    St. Francis Of Paola (Born in Italy, 15th century.)  "By the grace of the Almighty, the Great Monarch will annihilate heretics and unbelievers. He will have a great army, and angels will fight at his side. He will be like the sun among the stars. His influence will spread over the whole earth. All in all, there will be on earth twelve Kings, one Emperor, one Pope and a few Princes. They will all lead holy lives."



    Venerable Bartholornew Holzhauser (Born in the 17th century, in Germany). "The fifth period of the Church, which began circa 1520, will end with the arrival of the Holy Pope and of the powerful Monarch who is called "Help From God" because he will restore everything [in ChristJ.

    "The sixth period of the Church will begin with the powerful Monarch and the Holy Pontiff, as mentioned previously, and it will last until the revelation of Antichrist. In this period, God will console His Holy Church for the affliction and great tribulation which she has endured during the fifth period. All nations will become Catholic. Vocations will be abundant as never before, and all men will seek only the Kingdom of God and His justice. Men will live in peace, and 
    this will be granted because people will make their peace with God. They will live under the protection of the Great Monarch and his successors.

    46. 10 "During the fifth period, we saw only calamities and devastation; oppression of Catholics by tyrants and heretics; executions of Kings, and cօռspιʀαcιҽs to set up republics. But, by the Hand of God Almighty, there occurs so wonderous a change during the sixth period that no one can humanly visualize it.

    46. I 1 ··The powerful Monarch, who will be sent by God, will uproot every republic. He will submit everything to his authority, and he will show great zeal for the true Church of Christ. The empire of the Mohammedans will be broken up,

    and this Monarch will reign in the East as well as in the West. All nations will come to worship Ciod in the true Catholic and Roman faith. There will be many Saints and Doctors (of the Church) on earth. Peace will reign over the whole earth because God will bind Satan for a number of years until the days of the Son of Perdition.

    No one will be able to pervert the word of God since, during the sixth period, there will be an ecuмenical council which will be the greatest of all councils. By the grace of God, by the power of the Great Monarch, by the authority of the Holy Pontiff, and by the union of all the most devout princes, atheism and every heresy will be banished from the earth. The Council will define the true sense of Holy Scripture, and this will be believed and accepted by everyone."

    "When everything has been ruined by war, when Catholics are hard-pressed by traitorous co-religionists and heretics, when the Church and her servants are denied their rights, when the monarchies have been overthrown and their rulers murdered, then the hand of Almighty God will work a marvelous change, something seemingly impossible according to human reason ...

    "There will rise a valiant king anointed by God. He will be a Catholic and a descendant of Louis IX, yet a descendant also of an old imperial German family, born in exile. He will rule supreme in temporal matters. The Pope will rule supreme in spiritual matters at the same time. Persecution will cease and justice shall reign. He will root out false doctrines. His dominion will extend from East to West. All nations will adore God their Lord according to Catholic teaching. There will be many wise and just men. People will love justice, and peace will reign over the whole earth, for Divine Power will bind Satan for many years until the coming of the Son of Perdition ...

    After desolation has reached its peak in England, peace will be restored and England will return to the Catholic faith with greater fervour than ever before. . ."The Great Monarch will have the special help of God and be unconquerable ... "

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #6 on: April 15, 2023, 04:52:53 PM »
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  • Western Europe walk the same path, France is ahead. France seems that will be the first western country to become Islamic.

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #7 on: April 15, 2023, 06:28:51 PM »
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  • I know what you're saying (humanly speaking) but let me interject some positivity, if I may.  God has never needed "numbers" to win.  A plethora of examples in the Old Testament and even in modern history.  As for the prophecized catholic monarch and the Holy Pope, let us mediate on these consoling prophecies:
    I honestly wonder how this could happen and how anti Christ would even come if the world was in such a good state...


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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #8 on: April 15, 2023, 07:35:04 PM »
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  • I honestly wonder how this could happen and how anti Christ would even come if the world was in such a good state...



    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/bergoglian-anti-consecration/msg816649/#msg816649



    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-and-counter-enlightenment-philosophy/msg142893/#msg142893




    Quote from: Raoul76 on August 31, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
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    I believe the devil will take this resurgence of Catholic zeal and twist it into a sort of crazed nαzι-like statism.  When this hit me, it instantly rang true.  I had always wondered how the Great Monarch's kingdom could collapse so rapidly.  I see no other way it could happen except this.  I'm not saying I know for sure, but it makes sense.  The devil can use rigor just as he uses laxism, puffing up pride and creating monsters.

    Just as Vatican II is a far-left error, perhaps Antichrist will be a far-rightist as well -- gathering together the influence of the Jansenists and Gallicans and merging it with religious indifferentism.







    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-and-counter-enlightenment-philosophy/msg142904/#msg142904



    Quote from: PereJoseph on September 01, 2011, 01:18:05 AM
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    Continuing from my last post, three points :

    [. . .]

    As for the Monarch, I don't believe the prophecies that say his reign will be short.  They are contradicted by other prophecies and, besides, it would be inconsistent with a good ruler.  If religion triumphs and there are many holy Doctors and saintly, wise men on earth, how could they raise a succeeding generation that is wicked.  Moral theology tells us that parents share the guilt for every sin of their children which they could have in ay way prevented; thus, saintly parents will most likely have ecent children, uprooting wicked tendencies and faults from infancy.  And the Church's sacramental power needs to ...




    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-and-counter-enlightenment-philosophy/msg142908/#msg142908





    Quote from: PereJoseph on September 01, 2011, 02:13:33 AM
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    ... have a real effect on restraining mens' wicked nature and lifting their hearts to God.  The Monarch, furthermore, and the Holy Pope, will destroy these heresies of Gallicanism and Jansenism and their artifice, Orléanism, thus enabling a true renewal of the Church in a unified spirit.  Therefore, I think we can be morally confident in the glory of the Church lasting at least until the fourth generation, the generation of the Restoration inclusive.  Think of the psychological power of the stories of the deeds of the Holy Pope and Holy King alone, their associates, their words, the wisdom of their judments and laws, the impression of the buildings and art they foster, the camaraderie of the traditions and institutions they establish.  Not only that, but think of the nations as yet unreached by the Gospel and whose lands still need to be permeated with grace and holy knowledge. It does not seem natural that the Restoration's influence would be so short-lived and unstable, since that would almost be a mark of its own disorder and the inefficacy of its authors.  So, while relatively brief, I don't see how it is unreasonable to suppose that two hundred years will pass from the Monarch until the Antichrist, the period when the foundations for the Antichrist are set beginning upon the death of the Monarch.  But nature must take its course -- men must forget.  Therefore, four good generations will hold out, each less excellent than its predecessor, before the rot finally sets in, and over several generations society becomes even more wicked and lax than it is today.  It was two hundred years from the Council of Trent until the French Revolution, after all.  Anyway, that's what I've got for a theory for now; I am interested in what you think of it.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #9 on: April 15, 2023, 07:43:25 PM »
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  • Western Europe walk the same path, France is ahead. France seems that will be the first western country to become Islamic.




    https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/



    The Great Catholic Monarch and Angelic Pontiff Prophecies Through the Ages




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    (*)  The cινιℓ ωαr in France will entail THREE CRISIS Periods: the Apostate state religion will be put into force 1) the cινιℓ ωαr and bloodbath will start in Paris with the attack and suppression of the true church- this will happen for three months  2) the invasion of the 'dust of the foreigner' will happen and the bƖσσdshɛd will spread through the country - this phase will last four weeks  3) the continuing invasion with the attempt to place a pretender on the throne of France.  The contender will not succeed.  The ARMIES OF THE GREAT MONARCH will be called in the Third Crisis period- all this according to  Marie-Julie Jahenny *** St. John Bosco (also agrees France will be struck gravely three times)  *** (???) Abbé Mattay (agrees a contender to the French throne will ascend but his reign will be very short during this turbulent period of this republic.) *** (??) Sr. Marie of Christ the King / APPARITIONS OF CHRIST THE KING: (visions suggest there are different phases to the war, and, a contender to the throne will be put up, but will be set aside).
    (*) Rise of an HERETIC / APOSTATE RELIGION - (??) Bernard Rembold 'Spielbahn' saw that a corrupt group of heretics of small minds who claim they know God and His will are going to try to make a 'new kingdom of Christ', i.e. a new religion.  People will consider these people holy like angels, but they will have the devil in them. This religion or 'new kingdom' will fulfill wordly, fleshly appetites and be a breeding ground for vice.  Multiple wives will be allowed, up to three he saw.  (Note: Islam allows for more than one wife.  Compare with the next prophecies below.)



    (*) The FAITH WILL DIE IN FRANCE: three quarters of France will not practise or hardly practise religion, and those who do will practise it without really doing so: Maximin / APPARITION OF OUR LADY OF LA SALETTE

    (!!!)  The APOSTATE Religion - it will RESEMBLE ISLAM.
    Details from Marie-Julie Jahenny: when this religion is imposed by the evil government in France, the evil law will be passed IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, another eil law will be planned in JULY on Bastille Day and later signed.  The bishops and apostles will be permitted to practise the true Faith at first.  Then, there will be a crackdown.  There will be a call to stop religious funerals and the ringing of church bells.  Eventually, a 'Second Book' of worship rites will be introduced, a 'New Mass' that will be sealed with the 'Words of the Abyss'.  It will resemble Islam.  They will attempt to erase everything of the True Faith and invent new baptisms, new sacraments, new confraternities.  It will be a 'merry' religion that will not preach the Cross, or the necessity of baptism, etc.  The bishops will give the order for the religious to flee.  Religious orders will be suppressed, the Jesuits will suffer in particular.  True priests will go into hiding, but eventually the evil government will pass a law requiring bishops to turn them in.  The bishops will hold a meeting to figure out what to do, but the bishops WILL BE WEAK - only three will remain faithful.  The rest will fall and enter into the false religion to save themselves from the persecutions. THOSE WHO DO WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN BY GOD.  Many priests will also give up the true faith to save their lives-these Judas priests will also be lost.  Many souls will be lead to Hell due to these weak bishops and priests.  The persecution will be bloody - the homes of the faithful will be searched to find the hiding priests.  Religious houses will not be safe, traps will be set.  The Church we know we disappear for a time.  There will be no priests, no Blessed Sacrament, no confession.  It will be a horrific.  This apostasy and persecution will also spread to surrounding countries.  Few souls will remain faithful.  MARIE-JULIE JAHENNY ***
    (*)  When the evil law is passed against the congregations in France, then the schism will start and the chastisements on France will start: (??) Marie Martel / APPARITIONS OF TILLY
    (*) There will be firing squads and the guillotine will be brought back:  Marie-Julie Jahenny ***



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    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #10 on: April 15, 2023, 07:49:59 PM »
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    I honestly wonder how this could happen and how anti Christ would even come if the world was in such a good state...
    Similar to what Trad123 said, the period of "peace" will be short (but this "peace" describes holy living), but the unraveling and rot of this peace will take a few generations.  The Middle Ages was a few hundred years but the height of Christendom was just 1 century (13th) and even that period wasn't a utopia.  Also, look at how quickly things went corrupt in just 70 years post V2.  It doesn't take long.

    In this period of peace, the whole world (generally speaking, from a govt-sponsored aspect) will be catholic.  God will give "good and plenty" to the Church and the people will get lazy and lukewarm.  Then the Great Monarch dies and his Empire is divided into 10 kingdoms.  Then, eventually, there are wars among the kings.  (A sign of social/moral culture, as war is a punishment for sin). 

    When the anti-christ comes onto the scene (at a young age), there will be the prophets who will push his "new age" corruption and the vast majority of the Catholic world will "fall away" (as St Paul foretold).  Antichrist only reigns for 3.5 years at the age of 30-33 (to mock Our Lord) but he is known as a great youthful military leader at a young age (teens?).  So the buildup from his youth til 30 is a good 10 years.  Add the period of corruption after the Great Monarch dies til the 10 kings fight and this post-peace/pre-antichrist period could easily be 30 years til antichrist comes onto the scene and his prophets prepare the world for his reign.

    So, just a guess, but 40 years of true, holy peace under a Holy Pope and a Holy Emperor.  Then 30 years of corruption/war, post death of Emperor.  10 years of young antichrist til he assumes power.  All this could easily happen in 80 years.  Maybe a bit more.


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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
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  • I wonder if their fairness would permit the Divine Office to be blared over loudspeakers?
     If I'm understanding it correctly, what is broadcast is simply a call to prayer, not the prayers themselves.  The Muslims are alerted as to the time, and they take it from there.  Same basic idea as Angelus bells.

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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
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  • If I'm understanding it correctly, what is broadcast is simply a call to prayer, not the prayers themselves.  The Muslims are alerted as to the time, and they take it from there.  Same basic idea as Angelus bells.

    The Adhan is a 5-minute long chant, in which Muslims declare their belief in the false god.

    So the equivalent would not be Angelus bells, but blaring the Angelus from loudspeakers (and then perhaps the Athanasian Creed to take up the other 3.5 minutes).
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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #13 on: April 16, 2023, 10:34:47 AM »
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  • Maybe I just know my history, but for me, Muslims are just too "different" and they always refuse assimilation into American culture. Therefore, I don't believe they should be here, they don't belong here, and should find SOME Muslim country to go live in.

    America can't embrace that kind of variety; it just doesn't work. Know your history. Muslims want to conquer the world with their religion.

    And remember, there's more than one way to conquer a people. You can do it with guns/conquest, or with wombs/birthrate.
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    Re: Time to Get the Hell Out of Here
    « Reply #14 on: April 16, 2023, 11:05:27 AM »
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  • The Adhan is a 5-minute long chant, in which Muslims declare their belief in the false god.

    So the equivalent would not be Angelus bells, but blaring the Angelus from loudspeakers (and then perhaps the Athanasian Creed to take up the other 3.5 minutes).

    Then I don't know what to tell you.  Looking solely to the Constitution, this might fall under First Amendment protections of free speech and free exercise of religion, I don't know how far that goes when you have prayers specific to one religion, for a duration of several minutes.  The FA might protect the Angelus/Creed scenario you describe as well.  What about playing religious Christmas carols with singing of lyrics on your front yard display?  How loud could it be?  For how long could it last?  (I refer both to duration at any one time, and to permanence.  Christmas carols would only be for about a month, for a few hours in the evening, whereas the Muslim call to prayer, like the hypothetical Angelus/Creed scenario, wouldn't be specific to one time of year.)

    The scenario you describe has all the hallmarks of a Supreme Court landmark case.