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Time magazine - Those who have kids are crazy
« on: March 04, 2011, 11:00:51 PM »
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    All parents know that having kids is a blessing — except when it's a nightmare of screaming fits, diapers, runny noses, wars over bedtimes and homework and clothes. To say nothing of bills too numerous to list. Some economists have argued that having kids is an economically silly investment; after all, it's cheaper to hire end-of-life care than to raise a child. Now comes new research showing that having kids is not only financially foolish but that kids literally make parents delusional.

    Researchers have known for some time that parents with minors who live at home report feeling calm significantly less often than than people who don't live with young children. Parents are also angrier and more depressed than nonparents — and each additional child makes them even angrier. Couples who choose not to have kids also have better, more satisfying marriages than couples who have kids. (More on Time.com: Charlie Sheen's Twins Are Taken Away from Him. What Happens Now?)

    To be sure, all such evidence will never outweigh the desire to procreate, which is one of the most powerfully encoded urges built into our DNA. But a new paper shows that parents fool themselves into believing that having kids is more rewarding than it actually is. It turns out parents are in the grip of a giant illusion.

    The paper, which appears in the journal Psychological Science, presents the results of two studies conducted by Richard Eibach and Steven Mock, psychologists at the University of Waterloo in Ontario. The studies tested the hypothesis that “idealizing the emotional rewards of parenting helps parents to rationalize the financial costs of raising children.”

    Their hypothesis comes out of cognitive-dissonance theory, which suggests that people are highly motivated to justify, deny or rationalize to reduce the cognitive discomfort of holding conflicting ideas. Cognitive dissonance explains why our feelings can sometimes be paradoxically worse when something good happens or paradoxically better when something bad happens. For example, in one experiment conducted by a team led by psychologist Joel Cooper of Princeton, participants were asked to write heartless essays opposing funding for the disabled. When these participants were later told they were really compassionate — which should have made them feel better — they actually felt even worse because they had written the essays. (More on Time.com: Why Parents Should Play Video Games With Their Daughters)

    Here's how cognitive-dissonance theory works when applied to parenting: having kids is an economic and emotional drain. It should make those who have kids feel worse. Instead, parents glorify their lives. They believe that the financial and emotional benefits of having children are significantly higher than they really are.

    To test their hypothesis, Eibach and Mock recruited 80 parents at public locations in the northeastern U.S. Forty-seven of the parents were women, and all had at least one child under 18. Eibach and Mock then split the participants into two groups. Those in the first group were asked to read U.S. Department of Agriculture data from 2004 showing that it costs an average middle-income family in the Northeast $193,680 to raise a child to the age of 18.

    The second group was asked to read the same data, but participants in that group also received information that adult children provide financial and other support to aging parents so that parents are often more financially secure in their later years than nonparents.

    Both groups then read eight statements about parenting and rated their agreement with those statements on a five-point scale from -2 (strongly disagree) to +2 (strongly agree). The statements included falsehoods like “Nonparents are more likely to be depressed than parents” and “Parents experience a lot more happiness and satisfaction in their lives compared to people who have never had children.” (More on Time.com: Perspective on the Parenting Debate: Rich Parents Don't Matter?)

    The results confirmed Eibach and Mock's hypothesis. Parents who read only the data showing how expensive kids are should have responded more negatively to parenting. But in fact they idealized parenting far more than those who were also given the information about the benefits of parenting later on.

    Why? For the same reason you keep spending money to fix up an old car when it just doesn't work — or keep investing in the same company when it's failing. Humans throw good money after bad all the time. When we have invested a lot in a choice that turns out to be bad, we're really inept at admitting that it didn't make rational sense. Other research has shown that we romanticize our relationships with spouses and partners significantly more when we believe we have sacrificed for them. We like TVs that we've spent a lot to buy even though our satisfaction is no lower when we watch a cheaper television set.

    To confirm their results, Eibach and Mock conducted a second experiment, this time with 60 parents. The second study was identical to the first but added a control group that got no information about parenting at all. The second experiment also added measures of participants' enjoyment of time spent with their kids and intentions to spend future time with them. And the subjects were asked to compare spending time with their children to spending time with their spouse or partner, spending time with their best friend, and spending time on a favorite hobby.

    Once again, those who read only about how expensive kids are idealized parenthood far more than those who read about both the costs and the benefits of raising children (and far more than the control group did). They were also significantly more likely to believe that spending time with kids is more rewarding than other activities, even though researchers have found that when you measure how rewarding parents found any given day spent with their children, they rated that day worse than they had expected to. (More on Time.com: What's the Deal with 'Baby Yoga'?)

    Does this mean you shouldn't have kids? Yes — but you won't. Our national fantasy about the joys of parenting permeates the culture. Never mind that it wasn't always like this. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, we thought nothing of requiring kids to get jobs even before they hit puberty. Few thought of it as abuse. Reformers helped change the system — and rightly so — so that children could be educated. But this created a conundrum. As Eibach and Mock write, “As children's economic value plummeted, their perceived emotional value rose, creating a new cultural model of childhood that [one researcher] aptly dubbed ‘the economically worthless but emotionally priceless child.'” Or, as the writer Jennifer Senior put it in a New York magazine article last summer, “Kids, in short, went from being our staffs to being our bosses.”

    Of course parents should be commended for one little thing they do: maintain the existence of humanity. I praise them for that, but I think they're both heroes and suckers.

    Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/03/04/why-having-kids-is-foolish/#ixzz1FhLcjJui
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    Time magazine - Those who have kids are crazy
    « Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 12:11:20 AM »
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    The results confirmed Eibach and Mock's hypothesis. Parents who read only the data showing how expensive kids are should have responded more negatively to parenting. But in fact they idealized parenting far more than those who were also given the information about the benefits of parenting later on.

    Why? For the same reason you keep spending money to fix up an old car when it just doesn't work — or keep investing in the same company when it's failing. Humans throw good money after bad all the time.


    Well we know we know what to do with this sorry individual's sorry ass when he/she is old and no longer productive. After all, why should we spend money to maintain a car that simply doesn't work anymore?


    You know, I bet the person who wrote this BS doesn't have any kids of their own, or siblings for that matter.

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    Time magazine - Those who have kids are crazy
    « Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 08:06:58 AM »
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  • Oh how horrible it is to give up one's career and vacations to spend with the little urchins.  Would be better not to bring them into existence.  Murder them before they have the chance to ruin your life.  

    Is this what we have come to in the world?

    May the Blessed Virgin Mary hold us in Her Immaculate Heart.

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    Time magazine - Those who have kids are crazy
    « Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 08:19:58 AM »
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  •   I wonder what one can buy with all that money if they are to live alone? Maybe collect many coins and spend many hours gazing at them? A very large house for just two people? or a big limosine car for just one or two persons?
      Well if you are to be alone then you don't need much money. Just your daily bread and a roof over your head would suffice. No motivation, no joy.
       I wonder what they want to do with parenting instinct and the natural delight in children that God puts in human hearts?

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    Time magazine - Those who have kids are crazy
    « Reply #4 on: March 05, 2011, 10:21:24 AM »
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  • Trust me, if they're not going to spend SOME of that money on raising kids they are either going to blow it on something stupid, or they are going to horde it away in a bank vault where it can collect spider webs.
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    Time magazine - Those who have kids are crazy
    « Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 10:28:15 AM »
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  • If this article is true, why do half of all DINK marriages end in divorce?  Will they next tell us that getting married is crazy?

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    Time magazine - Those who have kids are crazy
    « Reply #6 on: March 05, 2011, 10:40:02 AM »
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    Trust me, if they're not going to spend SOME of that money on raising kids they are either going to blow it on something stupid, or they are going to horde it away in a bank vault where it can collect spider webs.


    You are exactly right. I've seen that close up & personal. My Brother & his wife found out that they couldn't have biological children in the 70's. Now, here's the crazy part: they wouldn't adopt because "these children might have bad blood". Now, I believe that this may have been said in ignorance during the 19th century......but in the 1970's????

    NO ONE has any guarantee that their kids are going to be perfect.

    He & his wife still live in the house they bought during the first year of their marriage. Both have worked outside their home during their whole married life. He's a retired computer progammer, she's been a secretary.
    ONE time, when we were putting our 4 kids through college, I was FORCED to ask my Brother, if I could borrow  $400. for two months, to pay for college books. I paid him back in 6 wks. (we'd just been caught in a time crunch) & he charge me INTEREST!

    I have a sister who was widowed while in her 30's, she was left with 3 children to raise on her teacher's salary. He never once said, "if you need help, I'm here."

    Now, when my husband & I have got time to be alone together, one of our favorite things is traveling.....just the two of us. Not my Brother & his wife....they must find OTHERS to travel with. They are desparate for friends, so they join all of these travel clubs & go to Greece, China, etc., etc.

    They are not part of any of their nieces & nephews lives now, becuase they showed no interest in them while they were growing up. NOW, they want to be their friends & it's too late.

    As for that article, it's a bunch of bunk!!!! I believe that God gave us the innate desire to have children & it's not about our own fulfilment, it's about giving & giving SOME MORE. It's about the built-in rewards when you do so.

    We put 4 children through college & it was hard. One year, we had 3 in there at the same time. We didn't give it a THOUGHT!! The kids each had summer jobs & part-time jobs during the school year. Our rewards are tremendous, simply because we weren't looking for them.