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Nighthawk · « **on:** March 05, 2024, 09:24:24 PM »

My brother's and sisters, I have contemplated the meaning of time, will, and the creation of things both spiritual and physical.

Time can be measured physically, but can it be measured spiritually? Can something that is measured by astronomical phenomenon and earthly change and decay be translated into a spiritual line which not only coexist, but unites its essence to our world?

Will there be time after the last judgement? Will the damn burn forever or left to suffer the pains of non-existence?

Will there be something after heaven? Are there other universes out there that God has created?

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #1 on:** March 05, 2024, 11:04:45 PM »

Quote from: Nighthawk on March 05, 2024, 09:24:24 PM

My brother's and sisters, I have contemplated the meaning of time, will, and the creation of things both spiritual and physical.

Time can be measured physically, but can it be measured spiritually? Can something that is measured by astronomical phenomenon and earthly change and decay be translated into a spiritual line which not only coexist, but unites its essence to our world?

Will there be time after the last judgement? Will the damn burn forever or left to suffer the pains of non-existence?

Will there be something after heaven? Are there other universes out there that God has created?

First.
definition of eternity, "The simultaneously-whole and perfect possession of interminable life"

The bolded is heretical. The damned will burn forever, this a matter of faith. Non existence doesn't suffer this is nonsense because nothing is not a thing and not something.

The universe is everything God has created, modern cosmology which is completely fabricated has warped your perception of reality.

Marulus Fidelis · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2024, 12:13:20 AM »

It looks like you're very confused. You should start educating yourself about the faith and praying seriously.

I sincerely recommend praying 15 decades of the rosary each day instead of fooling around.

These are good videos on the topic of eternity:

Marulus Fidelis · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2024, 06:10:00 AM »

Meant to post this:

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 06, 2024, 01:32:37 PM »

This is what the late Orestes Brownson says about Time. His article, "The Limits of Religious Thought," 1860, is addressing an Oxford scholar whose philosophy/theology was off. The quoted text is not Brownson, but Mr. Mansel, the Oxford scholar. But Brownson says some profound things toward the end of the quote:

“But these three conceptions, the Cause, the Absolute, the Infinite, all equally dispensable, do they not imply contradiction to each other, when viewed in conjunction as attributes of one and the same Being? A cause, as such, cannot be absolute; the Absolute cannot be a cause. A cause exists only in relation to its effect; the effect is an effect of the cause.” That is to say, the cause is a cause only in causing, and till it causes it is not a cause, consequently is made a cause by what it causes! “On the other hand the conception of the Absolute implies a possible existence out of all relation.” The absolute is that which is free from all relation, but a cause is under a particular relation to the effect. The two conceptions thus mutually exclude each other. “We attempt to escape the apparent contradiction by introducing the idea of succession in time. The Absolute exists first by itself, and afterwards becomes a Cause. But here we are checked by the third conception, that of the Infinite. How can the Infinite become that which it was not from the first?” There is and can be no becoming in God, for he is actus purissimus; all in him is actual, and nothing simply potential; so much is certain. The difficulty suggested by the author is a well-known difficulty, and is amply met by all our theologians of any note. It is simply how to reconcile the fact of creation in time with the infinite perfection and immutability of God? The difficulty originates in precisely what Mr. Mansel supposes to be introduced as a means of escaping it, namely, the introduction of the idea of the succession of time into eternity. Eternity is not, as Sir William Hamilton maintains, the negation or limit of human thought, but is the negation of time, and positive duration without succession, or an existence always present. Eternity can be conceived neither as past nor as future, and is always expressed by the present tense of the verb to be. It is, and is included in the conception of God, as, I am that I am, or as real and necessary Being. Time is not an entity, but a relation, and simply the relation of created existences in the order of succession, as space is their relation in the order of coexistence. Time then begins and ends with creation, and is conceivable only within the created order; out of that order there is no time or space; there is only the relation of the effect to its cause. The old question, whether the world might have been created ab aeterno, in its old sense is an unaskable question, because that sense is founded on a false notion of time. The world has truly been created ab aeterno, for, prior to its creation, there was no time, and the prior is only in the logical order. God existed prior to the creation as the cause exists prior to the effect, but no time lapses between the existence of his causality and the creation. There is no space between the power to create and the actual creation, and therefore no reduction in God of possibility to act, no becoming of a cause, for the cause is eternal, and exerts its force in eternity, and time attaches only to the effect. The creative act is in eternity, not in time; with it time begins. There is, then, no contradiction between the conception of God as Creator, and the conception of his absoluteness, infinity, or unchangeableness. The contradiction arises from the fundamental error of the Hamiltonian and Kantian philosophy, that the understanding imposes its own forms and limitations on the object, and that time and space are necessary forms of all our conceptions. This is not true, and if it were, we could have no conception of God at all, for he is not in space, and he inhabiteth eternity. ("The Limits of Religious Thought," Brownson's Quarterly Review for April, 1860)

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