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Offline alancarmine

Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2026, 02:31:25 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 09, 2026, 09:16:32 PM
So, this attitude doesn't even remotely resemble Cathoicism.  No one is "born without a spirit as animals are".  That's pretty much ... heretical.

At most you can say is that she's been thoroughly corrupted due to her family situation, but no one is beyond God's grace.

Nevertheless, we cannot know why God allows some to be born into families like that and others to be born into good families.  Perhaps it's with a view to her ultimate conversion, or perhaps it's just to minimize the eternal punishment she might receive due to these mitigating circuŠ¼stances, whereas had she been born into a good family and become just as bad if not worse, then her fate may have been much worse.  But you don't know.

Now, this does not require that you "date" her, and ... not sure what business you had dating such a one in the first place, but you also don't declare her to be non-human, incapable of conversion, and destined for Hell.  (No one is predestined for Hell.)  Nor are you in a position to eve know who will end up there and who won't.
Very well said, and a good mystery. I had no business entertaining her is the answer. It was my first and last time doing something like that. There was ample deception on her part, but there were signs to begin with, there's always signs to begin with. :fryingpan: 

I heard from God later (or the Holy Ghost) and was led to teachings pertaining to things I was ignorant of. This has been a very good and ever-strengthening journey, I thank everyone here for their patience with myself and others.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2026, 08:59:06 PM »
We all make mistakes. That's what Confession is for.

But here is an important lesson to take with you into the rest of your life:

God always forgives (if you repent)
Man sometimes forgives
Nature never forgives.

This has many important consequences. For starters, going the Protestant route of confessing your sins publicly, at seminars, on Youtube, etc. makes people hold your sin against you, and as it were defend your sin. Scripture SPECIFICALLY speaks about this; you can look it up on the best online Bible there is: drbo.org

Another example, when a woman has an abortion. God will forgive her IF she repents sincerely and confesses her sin. Some men will forgive her, others will not. But Nature is RUTHLESS. She will have long-term damage: emotional, psychological, spiritual, and might have PTSD and nightmares for years. Nature is a cold, harsh mistress. When a woman goes against her nature in such a fundamental way, there are GOING to be consequences, even in this life. Nature is so cold, it will take the life of the last child of a widow, without missing a beat. Nature, being impersonal, follows its millions of processes and laws without a conscience or feeling. When poison is injected into someone's veins, it doesn't matter who that person is. The heart is going to stop beating, and Nature doesn't shed the first tear.

You can probably come up with hundreds of other examples. But all I can say is: that triple quote is absolutely true.

And yes, when it comes to salvation, etc. you have to reverence and respect the mystery of it all -- it's God's realm, not ours. Pray for these poor lost souls, but of course don't get mixed up with them. Scripture also talks about the horrible effects of keeping bad company. So many wise sayings in the Sapiential or "Wisdom" books. Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Ecclesiasticus, etc. And if God said it, you can take it to the bank. 100% Gospel truth, literally!
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Are Certain Souls Born Damned To Hell?
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2026, 09:04:15 PM »
I had a hard time clipping it here -- the whole chapter (and the whole book!) is so good.

Ecclesiasticus chapter 19:

  8 Tell not thy mind to friend or foe: and if there be a sin with thee, disclose it not.  9 For he will hearken to thee, and will watch thee, and as it were defending thy sin he will hate thee, and so will he be with thee always  [Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 19:9]


Ok, I found a solution. Here is the WHOLE chapter --

Admonition against sundry vices.
 1 A workman that is a drunkard shall not be rich: and he that contemneth small things, shall fall by little and little.  2 Wine and women make wise men fall off, and shall rebuke the prudent.  3 And he that joineth himself to harlots, will be wicked. Rottenness and worms shall inherit him, and he shall be lifted up for a greater example, and his soul shall be taken away out of the number.  4 He that is hasty to give credit, is light of heart, and shall be lessened: and he that sinneth against his own soul, shall be despised.  5 He that rejoiceth in iniquity, shall be censured, and he that hateth chastisement, shall have less life: and he that hateth babbling, extinguisheth evil.
 
 6 He that sinneth against his own soul, shall repent: and he that is delighted with wickedness, shall be condemned.  7 Rehearse not again a wicked and harsh word, and thou shalt not fare the worse.  8 Tell not thy mind to friend or foe: and if there be a sin with thee, disclose it not.  9 For he will hearken to thee, and will watch thee, and as it were defending thy sin he will hate thee, and so will he be with thee always  [Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 19:9]  10 Hast thou heard a word against thy neighbour? let it die within thee, trusting that it will not burst thee.
 11 At the hearing of a word the fool is in travail, as a woman groaning in the bringing forth a child.  12 As an arrow that sticketh in a man's thigh: so is a word in the heart of a fool.  13 Reprove a friend, lest he may not have understood, and say: I did it not: or if he did it, that he may do it no more.  14 Reprove thy neighbour, for it may be he hath not said it: and if he hath said it, that he may not say it again.  15 Admonish thy friend: for there is often a fault committed.
 16 And believe not every word. There is one, that slippeth with the tongue, but not from his heart.  17 For who is there that hath not offended with his tongue? Admonish thy neighbour before thou threaten him.  18 And give place to the fear of the most High: for the fear of God is all wisdom, and therein is to fear God, and the disposition of the law is in all wisdom.  19 But the learning of wickedness is not wisdom: and the device of sinners is not prudence.  20 There is a subtle wickedness, and the same is detestable: and there is a man that is foolish, wanting in wisdom.
 21 Better is a man that hath less wisdom, and wanteth understanding, with the fear of God, than he that aboundeth in understanding, and transgresseth the law of the most High.  22 There is an exquisite subtilty, and the same is unjust.  23 And there is one that uttereth an exact word telling the truth. There is one that humbleth himself wickedly, and his interior is full of deceit:  24 And there is one that submitteth himself exceedingly with a great lowliness: and there is one that casteth down his countenance, and maketh as if he did not see that which is unknown:  25 And if he be hindered from sinning for want of power, if he shall find opportunity to do evil, he will do it.
 26 A man is known by his look, and a wise man, when thou meetest him, is known by his countenance.  27 The attire of the body, and the laughter of the teeth, and the gait of the man, shew what he is.  28 There is a lying rebuke in the anger of an injurious man: and there is a judgment that is not allowed to be good: and there is one that holdeth his peace, he is wise.

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