Author Topic: Thou shalt not kill whom? (Read 556 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **on:** March 20, 2010, 02:40:24 PM »

The innocent?
But Who is the innocent?
Those pro-life persons who are for war, call abortion murder, as though bombing a nation is not murder!
They weep for a fetus, but they rejoice when thousands of people including babies and children are killed by those "brave soldiers".
They say:"a bastard has no guilt if his father is a rapist, so nobody should abort even in case of rape." The old saying of not punishing an innocent for sins of an other person.
But should those poor people in Iraq be killed because of what saddam was doing?????

Dulcamara · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2010, 02:48:04 PM »

There can be no hope of sorting out how the warped minds of the majority of men today operate. For one thing, they DON'T generally lament abortion, they are trying desperately to get women to have as many as they like, for "free" (paid by the taxpayer). They seem to lament the lost of our soldier's lives, but they certainly didn't lament the bombing of a predominantly Catholic city in Japan during the World Wars.

There is no question that people today are very, very immoral and hypocritical. But all we must concern ourselves with is, "What does the law of God teach?"

Self defense is not a sin. Killing an unborn child, no matter how it got there, would be, because the unborn child has no guilt. An unjust war is a grave mortal sin. A war for necessary or just reasons, as far as I know, would not be.

The way that the laws of God are trampled today is surely scandalous. The way they are half followed on one hand (people are not just running around killing each other all over the place) but totally ignored on the other hand (people killing anyone they feel shouldn't live... unborn, people of other religions, the elderly or handicapped, etc), is hypocritical and disgusting. I can't really see what there can be to say besides this. Many atrocities are being committed today, and in cold blood. We can only hope and pray that God will soon help His Church, so that the Church can begin converting people to a truly just and holy way of life!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2010, 03:13:52 PM »

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

The innocent?
But Who is the innocent?
Those pro-life persons who are for war, call abortion murder, as though bombing a nation is not murder!
They weep for a fetus, but they rejoice when thousands of people including babies and children are killed by those "brave soldiers".
They say:"a bastard has no guilt if his father is a rapist, so nobody should abort even in case of rape." The old saying of not punishing an innocent for sins of an other person.
But should those poor people in Iraq be killed because of what saddam was doing?????

Spouse, war is a terrible thing, but surely you understand there are sometimes good reasons for war. Many people who support the war are sadly deluded about its justice. That does not make their opposition to abortion wrong.

There is nothing sadder than to see the women walking and driving into an abortion clinic. An Indian woman was walking in one day, and when we said "blessed is the fruit of thy womb" during the Hail Mary she started to cry. It is so sad, so many of those women seem so sad to commit that terrible crime of a mother killing her own child, but it is like they are caught in a whirlpool of despair.

It is a terrible, scarring crime, that destroys the child in the womb. It's an irrevocable decision, one that has terrible consequences for mother and child, the child can never go to heaven, the mother is sent to Hell unless she truly repents, what a terrible thing to have to repent of.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:01:12 PM »

With regard to abortion, it should be kept in mind:

God ALWAYS forgives (assuming we seek forgiveness...)
Man SOMETIMES forgives
Nature NEVER forgives

The best-case scenario, for a woman who commits the grave sin of abortion, is to live the rest of her life trying to atone for that sin, by tears, speaking to others, fasting, wearing no adornments -- basically a modern-day Mary Magdalene.

Think of what armor SHE would have to save up against her Last Hour, when the devil will throw everything he has at her (as he does with any dying person).

You and I need to spend so much time saving up against that hour -- but what a disadvantage that poor woman would place herself in, by having an abortion.

As I said above, unless she becomes Mary Magdalene II, her chances of salvation would be scarce indeed.

Matthew

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2010, 08:10:32 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

With regard to abortion, it should be kept in mind:

God ALWAYS forgives (assuming we seek forgiveness...)
Man SOMETIMES forgives
Nature NEVER forgives

The best-case scenario, for a woman who commits the grave sin of abortion, is to live the rest of her life trying to atone for that sin, by tears, speaking to others, fasting, wearing no adornments -- basically a modern-day Mary Magdalene.

Think of what armor SHE would have to save up against her Last Hour, when the devil will throw everything he has at her (as he does with any dying person).

You and I need to spend so much time saving up against that hour -- but what a disadvantage that poor woman would place herself in, by having an abortion.

As I said above, unless she becomes Mary Magdalene II, her chances of salvation would be scarce indeed.

Matthew

Well, there's a big danger of presumption with all sins, but abortion must be one of the worst in that regard.

That's why the penalty of excommunication is necessary.