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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: LaramieHirsch on June 13, 2025, 07:24:47 AM
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https://nonvenipacem.org/2025/06/13/purged-tulsa-trads-unity/
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Purged Tulsa Trads = ¡Unity!
They’ve finally done it. At the end of June, the Catholic Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma is finally ridding itself of its diocesan Latin mass community. The era of a grudging apartheid is over. The time for complete extermination has arrived…for the city’s diocesan Latin Mass, that is. Now is the moment for the permanent segregation of these people into their designated ghettos. The Synodal Church doesn’t want traditional homeschooling families meeting together, sharing coffee and donuts, talking about challenges of the world, discussing homeschool tips, or arranging playdates or barbecues. Not on diocesan property, and not on their watch. No, these people are to be promptly removed. This rabble can no longer be tolerated in any official diocesan capacity.
Before now, only through a lone Facebook post or The Okie Traditionalist’s blog would you learn that Tulsa’s diocesan Latin Mass is being culled. When the purge is complete, and Traditional liturgy is stripped from the city, the leftover undesirables can herd themselves into either the FSSP on the edge of town, possibly a once-a-month TLM parish 45 minutes away in Wagoner, the monastery that’s more than an hour away, or off to the SSPX—if they DARE—in Oklahoma City. Whatever happens to these people, the point is that Tulsa Trads are pariahs, and they will now have their community destroyed.
This signals a major milestone for the Synodal Church in Tulsa, so congratulations to them. This was over a decade-long quest to utterly annihilate the legacy of the infamous Bishop Slattery, who defiantly sought the faith of his fathers and reintroduced Traditional Catholicism to the city. And now, with his death last September, and a new Pope Leo XIV—ever-ready to carry on with Bergoglio’s Freemasonic legacy—the Catholic Church in T-Town can relieve itself of this undesirable minority.
This community’s destruction has been a passion project for the New Order Church in Tulsa. Parishioners here have a history of being on the receiving end of spiteful treatment, as I covered HERE, HERE, HERE, and HERE. But Okie Traditionalist summed it up most succinctly:
“[C]onsider that since Bishop Slattery (RIP) retired in 2016, the works of traditional restoration under him have over and over been as a matter of fact ended. This includes the Doloran Fathers, Mother Miriam’s Daughters of Mary, the traditional style Ad Orientem Novus Ordo Mass on Sundays at the cathedral, weekly Sunday Vespers at the cathedral, etc. That is in fact a pattern.”
With traditional life being cordoned off, the Tulsa diocese can now move on and catch up with Tulsa’s ever-growing liberal trends. From the Kaiser Foundation’s unending machinations, to a castrated police force, to reparations, DEI quotas, and pagan city council prayers, Tulsa is on her fast track to becoming a successful 15-minute city, much in the same vein as Austin, Chicago, or even LA. Gentner Drummond can’t take over fast enough!
Meanwhile, perhaps the Traditional community is either so meek or so beaten down, as to take this news with an air of cynical expectation. Heads hanging low, they’ll shuffle off to some other meadow to graze. A new diaspora of Trads for 2025. At least, I suppose, they won’t be trampling on the crumbs of our Lord’s Body in the diocesan worship space they were permitted to share. It’s doubtful there will be any protest.
In Tulsa, New Church intends to smother authentic Catholicism with a pillow, such that it dies a quiet death. Supposed shepherds would like nothing better than for wholesome, Traditional Catholic families to go away. We’re not the flock they want. They wish our communities were aborted—so that they’d not have to trouble themselves with our small minority. And these same powers will use their authority to culturally “contracept”, and prevent Tulsa from producing any more such people.
Today, however, people will hear about this and know. We will not be gaslit. No matter how passive-aggressive and silent local Church authorities remain on these injustices.
Paragraph 33 of Vatican II’s absolutely wonderful and fraternal Lumen Genitum affirms that laypeople “share in the priestly, prophetic, and kingly office of Christ,” and that we are to be active in the Church and the world. Tulsa’s diocesan Catholic shepherds will, apparently, NOT carry the lamp of faith for castoffs like the Trads. So, I guess in the name of synodal accompaniment, I’ll have to call out what my lying eyes see.
Who, specifically, is to blame? No one knows, gollee-gee. Take your guesses. A dense fog of plausible deniability clogs the air, preserving the decision maker(s) from any optically-poor blowback. Their attack style established these past years, we can perceive an aggressor, always circling, unseen and unblameable. The laity is left with no one to blame for the theft of their patrimony.
It just boggles my mind. Who’s been in charge this entire time? I simply can’t figure it out. Shucks.
Prelates will dress in schnazzy vestments and pretend they’re on our side—even going so far as to chant or even say Latin Mass themselves. But they betray who they are with their silence. (I was talking about Pope Leo XIV. Who’d you think I was talking about?) Someone important once warned that in our troubled era, “He who should speak seasonably will remain silent.” But, really, what could a synodal priest do with Tulsa’s newly-excised rabble except get rid of them? As Good Pope Francis said, “ The Church cannot be closed in on itself, but must be close to the world.“
On that note, I’ll just leave this right here:
Friendship with the world is hostility toward God. Whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
James 4:4
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If they want a valid Traditional Mass, they can go to CMRI in Chelsea, Ok.
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Rest assured His Bogusness Pope Leo will have no problem with this - and might even congratulate the authorities using a bit of Latin!
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Those who answer to a dioceses are in danger! Dioceses, ALL, were restructured. Meaning they are now known as Civil Society Organizations and they answer to the United Nations. Also, restructuring means to cut out half of what we know as churches, schools and clergy. What they call one priest to 4 parishes.
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Also, do not give anything $$$ to the coalition of cancelled priest. They are not priest, is their first lie. (they have new rites of holy orders) They were put out because of restructuring for one thing. They knew this would happen, they are not surprised. They had on billboards that they wanted to be reinstated, another lie. Mel Gibson gives millions to the group, but that does not make the group with a "good seal of approval".
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Your very act of going to a diocesan Latin Mass is material and tacit approval of the novus ordo sacrilege being the primary "mass" in the Roman rite.
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Laramie,
I thought you took the sedevacantist position not too long ago? Then again, my memory is horrible these days.....
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Laramie,
I thought you took the sedevacantist position not too long ago? Then again, my memory is horrible these days.....
Bennyvacantist, though I’m also now agnostic about Leo. Heck , maybe even agnostic about the entire sedevacantist thesis. No one has disproven it to my knowledge since it was presented to me more than 10 years ago. Perhaps 12?
In any event, we are currently going to FSSP. We’d occasionally visit the diocesan TLMs. And when the SSPX was in town, we occasionally went there. I’ve never been to a CMRI.
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You should check out CMRI. Fr. Sandquist is a wonderful Priest, validly ordained by true Bishops that derive their orders from Bishops traced back to being under Pope Pius XI and Pius XII.
CMRI is basically the Catholic Church before Vatican II changes and they live their lives as true Catholics dedicated to the Dogma of the Catholic Faith and true devotion to Mary. I hope that helps.
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CMRI is basically the Catholic Church before Vatican II changes and they live their lives as true Catholics dedicated to the Dogma of the Catholic Faith and true devotion to Mary. I hope that helps.
I like the CMRI priests and sisters with whom I have interacted.
But "dedicated to the Dogma of the Catholic Faith"? The congregation explicitly denied Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus in the strict sense and is vocally opposed to the late Fr. Leonard Feeney.
But the CMRI are generally good folk welcome at my dinner table any evening.
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I like the CMRI priests and sisters with whom I have interacted.
But "dedicated to the Dogma of the Catholic Faith"? The congregation explicitly denied Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus in the strict sense and is vocally opposed to the late Fr. Leonard Feeney.
But the CMRI are generally good folk welcome at my dinner table any evening.
Does CMRI believe pagans, muslims and jews can make it to Heaven?
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Does CMRI believe pagans, muslims and jews can make it to Heaven?
Yes, because they believe that invincible ignorance saves and implicitly that all persons of natural good will are attached to the Church. It is the same ecclesiology as found in Lumen Gentium of Vatican II. It will prove to be the Achilles Heel of the CMRI as well as of the SSPX, the Roman Catholic Institute, and so many other trad groups who share that same ecclesiology which they, in turn, share with Karl Rahner et al.
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Yes, because they believe that invincible ignorance saves and implicitly that all persons of natural good will are attached to the Church. It is the same ecclesiology as found in Lumen Gentium of Vatican II. It will prove to be the Achilles Heel of the CMRI as well as of the SSPX, the Roman Catholic Institute, and so many other trad groups who share that same ecclesiology which they, in turn, share with Karl Rahner et al.
What's the point of their rigid Divine Liturgy, rejecting Vatican II, and their sedevacantism, if they think a person has salvation outside of Jesus Christ? Even if they reject EENS, how can they reject the explicit words spoken by Jesus Christ. He says, "If you reject Me, you reject the Father Who sent Me", in the gospel. So His very words say there is no salvation outside of Himself.
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Novus Ordo is getting worse. Nothing left but mostly women in their late 60s, 70’s and 80’s. And they are running everything while their households are not in a state of grace. It is effeminate clergy and feminist older females.
Not much gen x except at hispanic masses.
Most young people are searching for real Catholicism.
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Novus Ordo is getting worse. Nothing left but mostly women in their late 60s, 70’s and 80’s. And they are running everything while their households are not in a state of grace. It is effeminate clergy and feminist older females.
Not much gen x except at hispanic masses.
Most young people are searching for real Catholicism.
Newchurch in the US is hanging all of its hopes upon Hispanic immigration (both legal and illegal) and greater birth rates among that group. It's about all they've got left.
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Plus dioceses are getting kickbacks too from Hispanics and non Christians people. While parishioners are neglected.
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Yes, because they believe that invincible ignorance saves and implicitly that all persons of natural good will are attached to the Church. It is the same ecclesiology as found in Lumen Gentium of Vatican II. It will prove to be the Achilles Heel of the CMRI as well as of the SSPX, the Roman Catholic Institute, and so many other trad groups who share that same ecclesiology which they, in turn, share with Karl Rahner et al.
So, basically, the Church in October 1958.
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Newchurch in the US is hanging all of its hopes upon Hispanic immigration (both legal and illegal) and greater birth rates among that group. It's about all they've got left.
Ironically enough, Protestants are making major inroads in Latin America. To the point that some of them have lost their Catholic majority. This is happening in the US as well.
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Novus Ordo is getting worse. Nothing left but mostly women in their late 60s, 70’s and 80’s. And they are running everything while their households are not in a state of grace. It is effeminate clergy and feminist older females.
Not much gen x except at hispanic masses.
Most young people are searching for real Catholicism.
And how do you know this? Are you attending Novus Ordo Masses in varioys places around North America and across the world?
Do not generalise. Give concrete evidence, hard data. Otherwise, you do disservice to us other trads.