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Offline Mark 79

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Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2024, 12:51:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on December 02, 2024, 12:48:34 PM
    You contradict yourself.
    Really???

    What contradiction did Centroamerica make?


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    Trump was allowed to win by the powers that be
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    arguing politics to the point of making it a divisive issue among Catholics is really problematic.


    No contradiction. The two statements stand independent from each other.
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #76 on: December 02, 2024, 07:23:39 PM »
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    • Even though the *ews have control over so many aspects of life in the U.S., there's one thing, maybe the most important thing, that they can't take away from us, and that's our Catholic Faith. They can take away the Mass, and the churches, but not our Faith. That's still ours. 

    They may appear to be more powerful than God, but they aren't. 
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #77 on: December 02, 2024, 07:52:50 PM »
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    • Oh look. People still thinking voting is real.
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    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #78 on: December 02, 2024, 08:04:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on December 02, 2024, 12:48:34 PM
    You contradict yourself.

    I was definitely hoping Trump won, but it didn’t really mean a lot to me. Culturally, America is a sess pool, and I see no way out but war. 

    To accuse me of contradicting myself. It’s pretty black and white to me. We need patriotism for wars and military enlistment. Open borders and female presidents are bad for military enlistment. Far from being a contradiction, it makes perfect logical sense to men who think rationally and think of conflicts and world conflicts. 

    As far as Trump being allowed to win, that was an educated guess based on the circuмstances of the last election and other local elections and failings in the system in general. I will never be an apologist for the American democratic system or its election processes. 

    As others pointed out, there is no contradiction there. Contradictions are two opposing statements. Trump being allowed to win to feed the war machine does not contradict itself in anyway. So to simply state it as contradictory seems to be an illogical, emotional response launching an accusation and an opportunity to “bicker” online. 

    Now I don’t mean any offense at all, but several posters wanted to no longer converse with females on this forum for that very reason. I’m not one of them, but I empathize with them for the same reason outlined. 
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #79 on: December 02, 2024, 08:11:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 02, 2024, 07:23:39 PM
    Even though the *ews have control over so many aspects of life in the U.S., there's one thing, maybe the most important thing, that they can't take away from us, and that's our Catholic Faith. They can take away the Mass, and the churches, but not our Faith. That's still ours.

    They may appear to be more powerful than God, but they aren't.

    Really??? The Jews can't take away the Faith of Catholics??? Where have you been???

    What is the "Novus Ordo" if not Jews taking away the Faith of Catholics???

    Piety is fine. Pious platitudes are not. Stupid pious platitudes are deadly to body and soul.
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #80 on: December 02, 2024, 08:47:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 02, 2024, 08:11:24 PM
    Really??? The Jєωs can't take away the Faith of Catholics??? Where have you been???

    What is the "Novus Ordo" if not Jєωs taking away the Faith of Catholics???

    Piety is fine. Pious platitudes are not. Stupid pious platitudes are deadly to body and soul.
    Isn't it really about how properly formed a Catholic is in the first place?

    I argue that people gave away their Faith, not that someone actually took it from them.  We are able to stay Catholic if we want to.

    So the question is were the Bishops and priests of Vatican 2 so ill formed in the faith, that they were able to just change from worshiping God to worshiping self so easily?

    I guess this is why propaganda is such an effective tool.
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #81 on: December 02, 2024, 10:04:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on December 02, 2024, 08:47:48 PM
    Isn't it really about how properly formed a Catholic is in the first place?

    I argue that people gave away their Faith, not that someone actually took it from them.  We are able to stay Catholic if we want to.

    So the question is were the Bishops and priests of Vatican 2 so ill formed in the faith, that they were able to just change from worshiping God to worshiping self so easily?

    I guess this is why propaganda is such an effective tool.

    I think that it is very naive of you to discount the subversion required for Catholics to reach today's nadir.

    You asked about the prelates at V2.  If you sincerely want an answer, I have attached an article for you.

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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #82 on: December 03, 2024, 04:51:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on December 02, 2024, 08:47:48 PM
    Isn't it really about how properly formed a Catholic is in the first place?

    I argue that people gave away their Faith, not that someone actually took it from them.  We are able to stay Catholic if we want to.

    So the question is were the Bishops and priests of Vatican 2 so ill formed in the faith, that they were able to just change from worshiping God to worshiping self so easily?

    I guess this is why propaganda is such an effective tool.
    100% right on the money. Excellent post!

    I was only a child when I witnessed people giving away their faith because they wanted to. I didn't realize that at the time of course, but I did later.

    The NO bishops and priests of V2 who believed that all Councils are infallible and whatever the pope says can do no harm to the Church, stayed true to that belief, ergo, they went NO. The same excuse was often used by all of those who abandoned the true faith for the new faith, even though at the time, they knew better.

    As you said, they could have stayed Catholic if they wanted to, but as is most often the case, it is just too easy to follow the wolves. 
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #83 on: December 03, 2024, 06:58:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 03, 2024, 04:51:43 AM

    100% right on the money. Excellent post!

    I was only a child when I witnessed people giving away their faith because they wanted to. I didn't realize that at the time of course, but I did later.

    The NO bishops and priests of V2 who believed that all Councils are infallible and whatever the pope says can do no harm to the Church, stayed true to that belief, ergo, they went NO. The same excuse was often used by all of those who abandoned the true faith for the new faith, even though at the time, they knew better.

    As you said, they could have stayed Catholic if they wanted to, but as is most often the case, it is just too easy to follow the wolves.

    Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє have worked to subvert souls from the very beginning.

    To pretend that subversion has played little, if any, role in the subversion of Catholics is tantamount to pretending there is no such thing as temptation.

    Of course, your silly pious platitude is true—all sinners must address their own culpability… BUT…

    Failing to address the significant role of Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє is a path to certain destruction.
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #84 on: December 03, 2024, 07:27:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 06:58:13 AM

    Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє have worked to subvert souls from the very beginning.

    To pretend that subversion has played little, if any, role in the subversion of Catholics is tantamount to pretending there is no such thing as temptation.

    Of course, your silly pious platitude is true—all sinners must address their own culpability… BUT…

    Failing to address the significant role of Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє is a path to certain destruction.

    Nobody here is denies the significant roll the jews and Satan plays, we're just not obsessed with it like you are. I mean, if it weren't for us all being stained with Original Sin, we would not come into this world bent on evil, but as it is, God equips us all with whatever we need to resist evil no matter where it comes from as long we sincerely want to resist it. 
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #85 on: December 03, 2024, 07:33:54 AM »
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    • Scripture strikes a balance in apportioning the blame on our "itching ears," those "lying teachers" of "sects of perdition," and failure to love the Truth.

    For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears  [2 Timothy 4:3]

    But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction. [2 Peter 2:1]

    And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:  That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. [2 Thessalonians 2:10-11]
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #86 on: December 03, 2024, 07:37:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 03, 2024, 07:27:52 AM
    Nobody here is denies the significant roll the Jєωs and Satan plays, we're just not obsessed with it like you are. I mean, if it weren't for us all being stained with Original Sin, we would not come into this world bent on evil, but as it is, God equips us all with whatever we need to resist evil no matter where it comes from as long we sincerely want to resist it.

    Both you and Gray2023 claimed that Catholics "gave away" their Faith.

    That is a half-truth.

    Catholics were seduced and browbeaten into "giving away" their Faith.

    That is the whole truth.
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #87 on: December 03, 2024, 09:53:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 07:37:33 AM
    Both you and Gray2023 claimed that Catholics "gave away" their Faith.

    That is a half-truth.

    Catholics were seduced and browbeaten into "giving away" their Faith.

    That is the whole truth.
    But I think the way you say it implies that it is not completely our fault.  Do we know for certain that God will show more Mercy to our generation because evil has gotten such a strong foothold in our society?

    So does this mean that God is setting up most people for failure.  Would God do that? 
    I am not trying to be difficult and I think I understand what you are trying to say, but I personally think that the biggest deception of demons and anyone who serves demons interest is the fact that people are extremely weak, which there are in and of themselves, but if they are with God then who can be against them.

    I have learned that any attention good or bad given to demons fuels their power.  I am not naive in what power the demons have, I just choose not to participate with them and their lackeys.  I focus on the things I can control, offering up my sufferings, prayer, penance, receiving the True Body of Christ, and doing my duty.
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #88 on: December 03, 2024, 10:13:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 07:37:33 AM
    Both you and Gray2023 claimed that Catholics "gave away" their Faith.

    That is a half-truth.

    Catholics were seduced and browbeaten into "giving away" their Faith.

    That is the whole truth.
    Some may have been seduced and browbeaten, not the ones I remember. Most went willingly, some begrudgingly, others just completely gave up on religion. This revolution was probably the only one in history where the enemies took over without a single drop of innocent blood being shed.

    Add to the Scripture you posted the words of Our Lord when he told us to Beware, which fell on deaf ears to all of those who left (and leave) the true religion for the new religion. No matter how you slice it, nobody held a gun to their head and made them lose their faith, yes they may have let themselves be deceived, but they all did it of their own free will, willingly.
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    Re: The Wisest Thing Ever Said on CathInfo
    « Reply #89 on: December 03, 2024, 10:20:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on December 03, 2024, 09:53:48 AM
    But I think the way you say it implies that it is not completely our fault.  Do we know for certain that God will show more Mercy to our generation because evil has gotten such a strong foothold in our society?

    The way I say it?  For years and in this very thread (!!!) I have explicitly and repeatedly stated our own culpability.

    So does this mean that God is setting up most people for failure.  Would God do that? 

     Re-read 2 Thess 2:10-11. GOD, not Satan or oneself, will send the operation of error to believe lies to those who do not love the truth.

    …

    I have learned that any attention good or bad given to demons fuels their power. 

    Then why does the Church say that one of Satan's greatest tricks is to make people think he doesn't exist.

    As I read your advice, not paying attention to Satan is perilously close to believing he doesn't exist.

    I am not naive in what power the demons have, I just choose not to participate with them and their lackeys.  I focus on the things I can control, offering up my sufferings, prayer, penance, receiving the True Body of Christ, and doing my duty.

    :facepalm: Your plan seems to me like you are driving on the wrong side of the road at night with a blindfold.
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