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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: StLouisIX on September 14, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg5nudTTE1g
The creator of this video includes some quotes of what St. John of the Cross had to say on the subject of prophecy, and how this ties in to how we should view the prophecies concerning the TOD.
I recommend it for anyone who spends a lot of time studying private revelation.
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What is TOD? It's very frustrating when people can't be bothered to use whole words.
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I think the attention people give to prophecies about the Three Days of Darkness is misguided. It's nice to hear someone speaking against these sorts of prophecies for a change.
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What is TOD? It's very frustrating when people can't be bothered to use whole words.
Sorry. That was me being an idiot. I should’ve made it TDD (Three Days of Darkness).
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IMHO, too much time is NOT being spent by Catholics on the 3-Days of Darkness (3DD) warning.
To argue in support of 3DD being true, there are many Church sanctioned cross-references to it.
It would come under the umbrella of “Chastisement”. And to put that into context, the end of the 5th Age of the Church, which is now. It is marked by an unprecedented “Chastisement”.
Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser has described the “Seven Ages of the Church” quite precisely.
He pinpoints our era, “.. from the time of Pope Leo X to a strong ruler and holy pope.” And he calls it, “Status afflictionis et purgativus.”
None of the other six Catholic ages refer to a “Purgation” like ours does.
Other cross references to a major Chastisement are, Ecuador’s Our Lady of Good Success, La Salette and Fatima. Many Holy Catholics and mystics have warned of it too.
I would agree with the video presentation that we should not dwell on the mechanism of how and why 3DD will be implemented, but be prepared for it:
(Blessed candles, window coverings, Rosaries, Images of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart).
3DD should give Catholics consolation that this evil world will be purged and cleansed, not unlike Sodom & Gomorrah.
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IMHO, too much time is NOT being spent by Catholics on the 3-Days of Darkness (3DD) warning.
To argue in support of 3DD being true, there are many Church sanctioned cross-references to it.
It would come under the umbrella of “Chastisement”. And to put that into context, the end of the 5th Age of the Church, which is now. It is marked by an unprecedented “Chastisement”.
Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser has described the “Seven Ages of the Church” quite precisely.
He pinpoints our era, “.. from the time of Pope Leo X to a strong ruler and holy pope.” And he calls it, “Status afflictionis et purgativus.”
None of the other six Catholic ages refer to a “Purgation” like ours does.
Other cross references to a major Chastisement are, Ecuador’s Our Lady of Good Success, La Salette and Fatima. Many Holy Catholics and mystics have warned of it too.
I would agree with the video presentation that we should not dwell on the mechanism of how and why 3DD will be implemented, but be prepared for it:
(Blessed candles, window coverings, Rosaries, Images of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart).
3DD should give Catholics consolation that this evil world will be purged and cleansed, not unlike Sodom & Gomorrah.
I'd take Ven. Holzhauser's prophecies with a grain of sand. He predicted that 120 years after the execution of Charles I, England would convert and do more for the faith than after its first conversion. This did not come to pass. He also predicted the Great Monarch would destroy the Mohammedan Empire, which in his day was the Ottoman Empire, but that has already fallen. A new one could come to be, but still in combination with the prediction about England it casts some doubt.
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I'd take Ven. Holzhauser's prophecies with a grain of sand. He predicted that 120 years after the execution of Charles I, England would convert and do more for the faith than after its first conversion. This did not come to pass. He also predicted the Great Monarch would destroy the Mohammedan Empire, which in his day was the Ottoman Empire, but that has already fallen. A new one could come to be, but still in combination with the prediction about England it casts some doubt.
But would you say, Vn. Holzhauser's interpretation of the Book of the Apocalypse on the concept of the Seven Ages of the Church is part of the Church Magisterium, as written and approved by Popes and Bishops?
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But would you say, Vn. Holzhauser's interpretation of the Book of the Apocalypse on the concept of the Seven Ages of the Church is part of the Church Magisterium, as written and approved by Popes and Bishops?
I wasn't aware it had seen official approval. Then of course I'll take back what I said.
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Just to hand on email:
Anna Maria Taigi: a Great Chastisement & Three Days of Darkness by Margaret Galitzin
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/g016_Judg-4.htm
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I'd take Ven. Holzhauser's prophecies with a grain of sand. He predicted that 120 years after the execution of Charles I, England would convert and do more for the faith than after its first conversion. This did not come to pass. He also predicted the Great Monarch would destroy the Mohammedan Empire, which in his day was the Ottoman Empire, but that has already fallen. A new one could come to be, but still in combination with the prediction about England it casts some doubt.
"One of the predictions was that England would not have the Mass for 120 years, priest would not be able to say it under pain of death, after which England would convert and help to spread the Faith after its conversion, this seems to have been partially fulfilled for the prohibition of the Mass under penalty of capital punishment was enacted in 1658 and partially recalled in 1778." Source HERE (https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_57.html).
Also, the bit about the Mohammedan Empire could refer to modern Turkey, as Erdogan has been pushing Neo-Ottomanism there for quite some time.
I think it is interesting to compare Ven. Holzhauser here to Girolamo Savonarola, as of Savonarola's many prophecies, quite a few came true, while others did not:
"At Brescia in 1486 Savonarola preached upon the Book of Revelation, the first manifestation of what was to become his obsessive preoccupation, an Apocalyptic interpretation of his own era. God would judge and punish society for its wickedness, he prophesied, and the regeneration of the Church would follow. Savonarola was prone to prophesy, and the number of his prophecies that were fulfilled is astonishing. Renaissance Society was indeed punished for its degeneracy by the Protestant Reformation, and the Church was indeed regenerated by the Counter-Reformation Popes beginning with Pope Paul IV. He also prophesied correctly that Lorenzo de Medici would shortly die, as would Pope Innocent VIII, that the sinful Medici tyranny would be overthrown by the French; that the Chair of Peter would be occupied by a simoniac; and that his own mission would last eight years after which he would be hanged, burned and his ashes cast into the River Arno. He foretold events that it would have been humanly impossible to foresee, such as the separation of two Dominican Congregations, those of Lombardy and Tuscany. He also prophesied that the Turks would be converted within ten years, that Rome would be taken, sacked and filled with desolation, and that the republic of Florence would disappear thirty-two years after his death. These prophecies were not fulfilled."
From Michael Davies' talk on Savonarola, a transcript of which can be found HERE (https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/358-girolamo-savonarola-excommunicated-saint?tmpl=component).
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I've never heard any criticism of the "7 Ages of the Church" interpretation of the Book of the Apocalypse ?
I have heard of a young SSPX priest debunk the 3-Days of Darkness, because he said it was not in Holy Scriptures. (How Protestant the thinking!)
But there is a cadre of Saints and mystics who have foretold of this temporal & spiritual blowout.
The following link has a good recap of the Catholics engaged in the 3DD prophecies.
I was surprised to see Bl. Marie de Agreda was one of them.
3 Days of Darkness summary (http://www.3daysofdarkness.com/)
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It doesn't hurt to have Blessed Candles on hand. This cataclysmic event may be the way God destroys His enemies and prepares the way for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the restoration of the Church.
p.s. Lad, can you clarify the 5th, 6th and 7th ages of the Church? It seems I remember Bishop Williamson saying we are in the 6th age which began with the Protestant break and ends with the Chastisement.
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It doesn't hurt to have Blessed Candles on hand. This cataclysmic event may be the way God destroys His enemies and prepares the way for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the restoration of the Church.
p.s. Lad, can you clarify the 5th, 6th and 7th ages of the Church? It seems I remember Bishop Williamson saying we are in the 6th age which began with the Protestant break and ends with the Chastisement.
I believe that's correct, but I have actually not studied the ages of the Church in any great detail. You probably know more about the subject than I do.
I don't spend too much time on the end times, since I have enough to worry about; I could die tomorrow. But it is helpful to me in terms of helping to understand this Church crisis, a comfort that God has foretold such a time as this.
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Bp. Williamson has lectured on it at length.
Here's the source from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
This commentary, which Holzhauser wrote at Leukenthal, exists in several manuscript (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09614b.htm) copies; printed in 1784 at Bamberg (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02242c.htm); in German in 1849 at Ratisbon (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12657a.htm) by Clarus; in 1850 at Vienna (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15417a.htm). Holzhauser's idea (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07630a.htm) is: The seven stars and the seven candlesticks seen by St. John signify seven periods of the history of the Church (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07365a.htm) from its foundation to its consummation at the final judgment. To these periods correspond the seven churches of Asia Minor (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01782a.htm), the seven days of the Mosaic (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10596a.htm) record of creation, the seven ages before Christ, and the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost. Since, he says, all life is developed in seven stages, so God (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) has fixed seven periods for regeneration. The first age of the Church (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm),
- (1) the Status seminativus, from Christ and the Apostles to Pope Linus (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09272b.htm) and Emperor Nero (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10752c.htm), is typified by the first day of creation "Spiritus Dei ferebatur super aquas", the gift of wisdom and the age from Noah (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11088a.htm). Similarly he treats;
- (2) the status irrigativus, the days of persecution (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11703a.htm);
- (3) status illuminativus from Pope Sylvester to Leo III (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09157b.htm)
- (4) status pacifitcus from Leo III (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09157b.htm) to Leo X (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09162a.htm);
- (5) status afflictionis et purgativus from Leo X (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09162a.htm) to a strong ruler and holy (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07386a.htm) pope (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm);
- (6) status consolationis from that holy (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07386a.htm) pope (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm) to the birth of Antichrist (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01559a.htm);
- (7) status desolationis from Antichrist (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01559a.htm) to the end of the world.
The central features of this commentary — the strong ruler and the holy (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07386a.htm) pope (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm), a favourite subject of medieval (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10285c.htm) prophecy, as well as the division of church history (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07365a.htm) into seven periods; the idea (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07630a.htm) that the Holy Roman Empire is to be the last on earth, and Chosroes, the Persian king, the predecessor of Antichrist (https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01559a.htm); the special significance of the 1260 days of Apocalypse 12:6 (https://www.newadvent.org/bible/rev012.htm), are borrowed from Joachim di Fiore (died 1202; cf. "Hist. pol. Blätter," CXVIII, 142). Still the commentary is considered an instructive and edifying book.
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Clips from a conference that His Excellency gave on the Seven Ages of the Church:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXhHBC21j1A&list=PLXNfDm6PrfAA0ZIeMYG4Jr3c_qkPHFvwj&index=12&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfHhGsF2T8M&list=PLXNfDm6PrfAA0ZIeMYG4Jr3c_qkPHFvwj&index=12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cD13JC25Xc
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The Three Days of Darkness prophecy is a "tolerated opinion" -- the lowest of the levels of theological certainty. The opposite of "De Fide".
I don't believe in it myself. It would be great if God would slaughter all the bad guys over 72 hours, keeping the Faithful nice and cozy and safe in their homes with their blessed candles burning throughout the 3 days.
But unfortunately that's not how it usually works. Ever since the original Passover (when this very thing happened), the good have always suffered with the evil during any war, famine, punishment, or chastisement.
It would be great if we had a second "Passover" where angels slay all the bad guys, and only the good people emerge alive at the other end of it -- but that isn't likely to happen. It's a pious wish, a prayer, a pipe dream.
God isn't going to let the good fully escape the chastisement. They will be sanctified by it, they will be given the graces to bear it, but they will unfortunately have to experience it.
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I have heard of a young SSPX priest debunk the 3-Days of Darkness, because he said it was not in Holy Scriptures. (How Protestant the thinking!)
That's an odd perspective, given that one of the plagues of Egypt was a 3 three days of darkness, which is mentioned in the Book of Exodus:
"And the Lord said to Moses: Stretch out thy hand towards heaven: and may there be darkness upon the land of Egypt, so thick that it may be felt. And Moses stretched forth his hand towards heaven: and there came horrible darkness in all the land of Egypt for three days. No man saw his brother, nor moved himself out of the place where he was: but wheresoever the children of Israel dwelt there was light" (Exodus 10:21-23).
Also, this three days of darkness is described in more detail in Chapter 17 of the Book of Wisdom. I recommend reading that if you want to learn more about the Three Days of Darkness. Here are some excerpts:
"And while they thought to lie hid in their obscure sins, they were scattered under a dark veil of forgetfulness, being horribly afraid and troubled with exceeding great astonishment. For neither did the den that held them, keep them from fear: for noises coming down troubled them, and sad visions appearing to them, affrighted them. And no power of fire could give them light, neither could the bright flames of the stars enlighten that horrible night" (Wisdom 17:3-5).
"But they that during that night, in which nothing could be done, and which came upon them from the lowest and deepest hell, slept the same sleep. Were sometimes molested with the fear of monsters, sometimes fainted away, their soul failing them: for a sudden and unlooked for fear was come upon them" (Wisdom 17:13-14).
"For if any one were a husbandman, or a shepherd, or a labourer in the field, and was suddenly overtaken, he endured a necessity from which he could not fly" (Wisdom 17:16).
It is intriguing to see the connections between these excerpts and the prophecies of the Three Days of Darkness, but it makes sense if this is supposed to be a similar event. However, I think it is certainly possible that most of the fake prophecies that are associated with the Three Days simply paraphrased this description.
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Clips from a conference that His Excellency gave on the Seven Ages of the Church:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXhHBC21j1A&list=PLXNfDm6PrfAA0ZIeMYG4Jr3c_qkPHFvwj&index=12&t=2s
See in Library : https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/bishop-williamson-seven-agespasceni/msg687675/#msg687675 (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/bishop-williamson-seven-agespasceni/msg687675/#msg687675)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyR8b1twFM
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If you are going to quote scripture as a reference, cite it in context
8 for those who promised to drive out fears and disorders from sick souls were now themselves sick with ludicrous fright. 9 Even when there was nothing frightful to scare them, the vermin creeping past and the hissing of reptiles filled them with panic;
Not exactly three days of darkness' even when there was nothing frightful to scare them '