Author Topic: presentation to grade 5 (Read 4335 times)

Lighthouse · « **Reply #30 on:** September 14, 2015, 09:07:07 PM »

No, I'm on a Catholic website trying to carve out some space for the truth.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #31 on:** September 15, 2015, 12:19:24 AM »

The body of the faithful is strictly speaking the Ecclesia docta (the Church taught), in contrast with the Ecclesia docens (the teaching Church), which consists of the pope and the bishops. When there is question, therefore, of the official teaching of religious doctrine, the laity is neither competent nor authorized to speak in the name of God and the Church (cap. xii et sq., lib. V, tit. vii, "de haereticis"). Consequently they are not allowed to preach in church, or to undertake to defend the Catholic doctrine in public discussions with heretics. But in their private capacity, they may most lawfully defend and teach their religion by word and writing, while submitting themselves to the control and guidance of ecclesiastical authority. Moreover, they may be appointed to give doctrinal instruction more or less officially, or may even become the defenders of Catholic truth. Thus they give excellent help to the clergy in teaching catechism, the lay masters in our schools give religious instruction, and some laymen have received a missio canonica, or due ecclesiastical authorization, to teach the religious sciences in universities and seminaries; the important point in this, as in other matters, is for them to be submissive to the legitimate teaching authority.

---Catholic Encylopedia, 1910.

kungpaowchicken · « **Reply #32 on:** September 15, 2015, 09:32:50 AM »

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The body of the faithful is strictly speaking the Ecclesia docta (the Church taught), in contrast with the Ecclesia docens (the teaching Church), which consists of the pope and the bishops. When there is question, therefore, of the official teaching of religious doctrine, the laity is neither competent nor authorized to speak in the name of God and the Church (cap. xii et sq., lib. V, tit. vii, "de haereticis"). Consequently they are not allowed to preach in church, or to undertake to defend the Catholic doctrine in public discussions with heretics. But in their private capacity, they may most lawfully defend and teach their religion by word and writing, while submitting themselves to the control and guidance of ecclesiastical authority. Moreover, they may be appointed to give doctrinal instruction more or less officially, or may even become the defenders of Catholic truth. Thus they give excellent help to the clergy in teaching catechism, the lay masters in our schools give religious instruction, and some laymen have received a missio canonica, or due ecclesiastical authorization, to teach the religious sciences in universities and seminaries; the important point in this, as in other matters, is for them to be submissive to the legitimate teaching authority.

---Catholic Encylopedia, 1910.

Sapientiae Christianae, Encyclical of Pope Leo XII on Christians as Citizens
Given at St. Peter's in Rome, the tenth day ofJanuary, 1890, the twelfth year of Our pontificate..

16. No one, however, must entertain the notion that private individuals are prevented from taking some active part in this duty of teaching, especially those on whom God has bestowed gifts of mind with the strong wish of rendering themselves useful. These, so often as circuмstances demand, may take upon themselves, not, indeed, the office of the pastor, but the task of communicating to others what they have themselves received, becoming, as it were, living echoes of their masters in the faith. Such co-operation on the part of the laity has seemed to the Fathers of the Vatican Council so opportune and fruitful of good that they thought well to invite it. "All faithful Christians, but those chiefly who are in a prominent position, or engaged in teaching, we entreat, by the compassion of Jesus Christ, and enjoin by the authority of the same God and Saviour, that they bring aid to ward off and eliminate these errors from holy Church, and contribute their zealous help in spreading abroad the light of undefiled faith."(16) Let each one, therefore, bear in mind that he both can and should, so far as may be, preach the Catholic faith by the authority of his example, and by open and constant profession of the obligations it imposes. In respect, consequently, to the duties that bind us to God and the Church, it should be borne earnestly in mind that in propagating Christian truth and warding off errors the zeal of the laity should, as far as possible, be brought actively into play.

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #33 on:** September 15, 2015, 03:53:58 PM »

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The body of the faithful is strictly speaking the Ecclesia docta (the Church taught), in contrast with the Ecclesia docens (the teaching Church), which consists of the pope and the bishops. When there is question, therefore, of the official teaching of religious doctrine, the laity is neither competent nor authorized to speak in the name of God and the Church (cap. xii et sq., lib. V, tit. vii, "de haereticis"). Consequently they are not allowed to preach in church, or to undertake to defend the Catholic doctrine in public discussions with heretics. But in their private capacity, they may most lawfully defend and teach their religion by word and writing, while submitting themselves to the control and guidance of ecclesiastical authority. Moreover, they may be appointed to give doctrinal instruction more or less officially, or may even become the defenders of Catholic truth. Thus they give excellent help to the clergy in teaching catechism, the lay masters in our schools give religious instruction, and some laymen have received a missio canonica, or due ecclesiastical authorization, to teach the religious sciences in universities and seminaries; the important point in this, as in other matters, is for them to be submissive to the legitimate teaching authority.

---Catholic Encylopedia, 1910.

why couldn't you post this without calling me an idiot?

I would answer that it states "When there is question, therefore, of the official teaching of religious doctrine"

I'm not questioning official Catholic teaching, I'm merely presenting what has been given to us through the catechisms and tell them about certain miracles. I would be interested to see if anyone else here agrees with your interpretation. Kungpaochicken's response seems to disagree with your interpretation.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #34 on:** September 15, 2015, 11:00:34 PM »

CF, I do apologize, most sincerely, for the name calling.

If it were 1890, I'd be much more comfortable with laity on a mission. But, with the way things are now.... Most have, for one reason or another, a minimal formation in the Faith. You'll notice even Pope Leo has some cautions at the forefront of his thinking.

"Especially those on whom God has bestowed gifts of mind ..."

"All faithful Christians, but those chiefly who are in a prominent position, or engaged in teaching..."

"...bear in mind that he both can and should, so far as may be, preach the Catholic faith by the authority of his example, and by open and constant profession of the obligations ..."

I just provided the cautions that must be dealt with, especially in an age where all sorts of untrained individuals can have access to a keyboard.

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #35 on:** September 16, 2015, 06:15:42 PM »

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CF, I do apologize, most sincerely, for the name calling.

If it were 1890, I'd be much more comfortable with laity on a mission. But, with the way things are now.... Most have, for one reason or another, a minimal formation in the Faith. You'll notice even Pope Leo has some cautions at the forefront of his thinking.

"Especially those on whom God has bestowed gifts of mind ..."

"All faithful Christians, but those chiefly who are in a prominent position, or engaged in teaching..."

"...bear in mind that he both can and should, so far as may be, preach the Catholic faith by the authority of his example, and by open and constant profession of the obligations ..."

I just provided the cautions that must be dealt with, especially in an age where all sorts of untrained individuals can have access to a keyboard.

apology accepted, as for 1890 I would differ, there were catholic schools back then I believe, now a days the public school has no Catholicism so I believe it's my duty to promote the faith anywhere I can, or is Francis right, we shouldn't bother evangelizing

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 18, 2015, 08:56:41 PM »

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Since it is public school are you allowed to convey doctrine or is just supposed to be an outline of what Catholics "do" e.g. Mass, Holy Days, Holy water, prayers, religious life, etc. Are people with other beliefs presenting also?

I'm the only one presenting, I have free reign to try andconvert the non Catholic kids as best as I can. I don't think I wold get into details about the mass, holy days etc. BasicallyI want to them to realize the Catholic faith is the true faith.

I have a really hard time believing this. How did you get this job?

job? who said anything about being paid, my friend is a teacher at a public school, he has to teach occasionally some class called ethics where he goes over all the religions ,he said i can give a lesson on the Catholic faith, little does he know these non catholic kids don't know what's in store for them, I can just envision the Muslim kids going home telling their parents how someone at school taught that their religion is false, we'll see, thanks to the others here who gave good material

Do you realize that not discussing this with him beforehand could get him in serious trouble? It's one thing if this was your job on the line, but you are putting his job at peril.

he knows about my beliefs, it's a class that discusses all religions, if the Catholic Church says x, and i repeat x, it's fair game, no matter how unpopular it maybe in this day and age...if he gets some muslim to talk about islam in the future maybe the Catholics would get offended hearing about their crazy religion, who knows, I can't be worried at the prospect there maybe some disgruntled parents complaining to him..let alone muslim and Jєωιѕн parents..these are parents who put their kids in a public school knowing that there's a class that will talk about other religions....I just have to figure out what's the best way to tell these kids they will burn in hell forever unless they convert, I admit Iwill have to be somewhat delicate

I would stick to the things that are pillars of our Faith.

The Blessed Trinity: Be like St. Patrick--use a shamrock. They know the shamrock...and after you explain it, they will never forget the Blessed Trinity again.

The Blessed Virgin Mary: Find an icon, maybe of the Annunciation. Explain how she bore Christ in her womb.

The Incarnation: This is the single most important event in history and why we celebrate Christmas..because God became Flesh.

The Crucifixion: Take a Crucifix with you. Many have never seen one. It is so powerful a conversion tool that no child will ever be able to see an empty Cross again without visioning Our Lord suffering there.

Our Lady of Fatima: Tell them how Our Lady showed three little children what hell looked like. Tell them how they were changed and how they started praying the Rosary every day.

The Rosary and the Scapular: Also incredible conversion tools. They will forever remember what you told them when they see one hanging around a gangsters neck.

Take a picture of a very large boat filled with immigrants. Explain how without this boat, these immigrants will NEVER make it to the U.S. Explain how the Catholic Church is like that---without her life saving Barque, they cannot get to Heaven.

Just my thoughts....

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #37 on:** September 19, 2015, 12:19:53 AM »

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Since it is public school are you allowed to convey doctrine or is just supposed to be an outline of what Catholics "do" e.g. Mass, Holy Days, Holy water, prayers, religious life, etc. Are people with other beliefs presenting also?

I'm the only one presenting, I have free reign to try andconvert the non Catholic kids as best as I can. I don't think I wold get into details about the mass, holy days etc. BasicallyI want to them to realize the Catholic faith is the true faith.

I have a really hard time believing this. How did you get this job?

job? who said anything about being paid, my friend is a teacher at a public school, he has to teach occasionally some class called ethics where he goes over all the religions ,he said i can give a lesson on the Catholic faith, little does he know these non catholic kids don't know what's in store for them, I can just envision the Muslim kids going home telling their parents how someone at school taught that their religion is false, we'll see, thanks to the others here who gave good material

Do you realize that not discussing this with him beforehand could get him in serious trouble? It's one thing if this was your job on the line, but you are putting his job at peril.

he knows about my beliefs, it's a class that discusses all religions, if the Catholic Church says x, and i repeat x, it's fair game, no matter how unpopular it maybe in this day and age...if he gets some muslim to talk about islam in the future maybe the Catholics would get offended hearing about their crazy religion, who knows, I can't be worried at the prospect there maybe some disgruntled parents complaining to him..let alone muslim and Jєωιѕн parents..these are parents who put their kids in a public school knowing that there's a class that will talk about other religions....I just have to figure out what's the best way to tell these kids they will burn in hell forever unless they convert, I admit Iwill have to be somewhat delicate

I would stick to the things that are pillars of our Faith.

The Blessed Trinity: Be like St. Patrick--use a shamrock. They know the shamrock...and after you explain it, they will never forget the Blessed Trinity again.

The Blessed Virgin Mary: Find an icon, maybe of the Annunciation. Explain how she bore Christ in her womb.

The Incarnation: This is the single most important event in history and why we celebrate Christmas..because God became Flesh.

The Crucifixion: Take a Crucifix with you. Many have never seen one. It is so powerful a conversion tool that no child will ever be able to see an empty Cross again without visioning Our Lord suffering there.

Our Lady of Fatima: Tell them how Our Lady showed three little children what hell looked like. Tell them how they were changed and how they started praying the Rosary every day.

The Rosary and the Scapular: Also incredible conversion tools. They will forever remember what you told them when they see one hanging around a gangsters neck.

Take a picture of a very large boat filled with immigrants. Explain how without this boat, these immigrants will NEVER make it to the U.S. Explain how the Catholic Church is like that---without her life saving Barque, they cannot get to Heaven.

Just my thoughts....

interesting, I like it
thanks