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Re: The Problem with Fuentes
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2025, 09:27:46 PM »
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  • https://odysee.com/@R.A.I.N.:0/Nick-Fuentes-There-is-no-Salvation-outside-the-Catholic-Church:2?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    This is pretty good, better than most. However, I think he did qualify the Dogma a bit when he said "ultimately we believe it's a mystery who is saved and who isn't saved, but to increase your chances of getting into heaven you need to be absolved of your sins".

    We know that only Catholics in a state of grace are saved.  

    I did see a clip earlier this year of him saying that not all Jews go to hell, I cannot seem to find it. But with the clip you posted it some seem like he may have changed his position.
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #46 on: December 05, 2025, 08:45:13 AM »
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  • I got caught up in the Jan 6 nonsense. I’ll post the full story someday. It was a great experience. The Boston fbi famously stuck up for us and got us out of trouble. My buddy owned a business and got visit on a job site. He payed for our air b and b with an American Express card that he had bought a couple guns with so it got him flagged 😄 it was crazy. That was the most peaceful takeover of d.c in history. The amount of people there I would guess it to be 1 million plus. It was shoulder to shoulder as far as your eyes could see. I didn’t see nick. But I saw a lot. The barricades got bypassed while the president was still speaking on this big screen. He never showed up of course. If we wanted to we could have destroyed that place. No one was there for that and they know it. We went to help clean up the next morning and you couldn’t find a wrapper on the ground it was perfectly clean.
    Yes- I was there too. It was a very pleasant experience, even for a 60 plus person like me and we were up by the steps. Everyone was so nice and happy that day. People were at ourdoor tables eating lunch with their kids on the walk to the capitol. A family outing!
    We didn't realize there was anything happening until we got in the car to drive home and people were calling us to see if we were still alive!
    Another  fake production....My only regret is that at the time I actually believed Trump wasn't in on it , which of course he was.


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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #47 on: December 05, 2025, 08:51:04 AM »
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  • And the minute Mr. Fuentes is invited over to stay with one of his Protestant, Internet friends, and the topic of salvation comes up, he is obligated to say, "Johnnie, if you do not become a good Catholic, you will be damned." Will he do this?  I say no. 
    I'm wondering why you demand so much from a 27 year old political pundit when you don't seem to accuse a NO Bishop ( Barron) of actually saying much worse to Ben Shapiro.

    Although it wouldn't suprise me if Nick would actually promote EENS- I think he's almost there. 


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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #48 on: December 05, 2025, 09:15:46 AM »
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  • And the minute Mr. Fuentes is invited over to stay with one of his Protestant, Internet friends, and the topic of salvation comes up, he is obligated to say, "Johnnie, if you do not become a good Catholic, you will be damned." Will he do this?  I say no. 
    Hhttps://odysee.com/@R.A.I.N.:0/Nick-Fuentes-There-is-no-Salvation-outside-the-Catholic-Church:2?utm_source=chatgpt.com



    ey ! I just saw this clip on another thread! Here it is!



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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #50 on: December 05, 2025, 10:15:31 AM »
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  • https://www.mgtow.tv/watch/nick-fuentes-the-movement-has-to-be-catholic-it-has-to-be-christian-there-can-be-no-other-way_ZQzGEvi2JZwC7La.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    Catholic means Traditional.  Christian means protestant.  If he's saying that the movement can be a combo of Trad/novus ordo/protty, then the movement will fail.  It's an utterly stupid idea.  The novus ordo/prottys are headed towards a new-age, ecuмenical anti-christ, whether they realize it or not.  Seems Fuentes doesn't see the cliff yet, either.  Or he's just pushing inter-religious garbage.

    Fuentes is a young guy who has some good ideals.  But there's a reason why you can't be the president until you're 35.  Fuentes is still inexperienced in many areas.  Why does everyone care so much what a 27 yr old says?

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #51 on: December 05, 2025, 10:58:24 AM »
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  •   Why does everyone care so much what a 27 yr old says?

    Give it time.  Maybe you will figure it out some day.

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #52 on: December 05, 2025, 11:17:10 AM »
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  • I know what I believe.  I don't get the concept of having to listen/support somebody "famous" simply because they might agree with me.  I don't need my beliefs to be re-affirmed by a celebrity.


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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #53 on: December 05, 2025, 11:36:10 AM »
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  • I know what I believe.  I don't get the concept of having to listen/support somebody "famous" simply because they might agree with me.  I don't need my beliefs to be re-affirmed by a celebrity.

    Hey, good for you Pax!  Glad to hear that!

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #54 on: December 05, 2025, 01:43:12 PM »
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  • Knowing who has complete control as of right now... (You know who)

    There isn't going to be a political solution here in the U.S, or anywhere else. 






     

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #55 on: December 06, 2025, 12:04:05 AM »
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  • Yes, and therefore inside the conciliar church there is no salvation. What church does Fuentes belong to and which does he advocate for? The Church of Tradition or no?

    If any trad priest or trad bishop believed what you are saying and still took money for a stipend for a Mass or Masses for a deceased person who they knew to have died in the Conciliar Church as you refer to it, then it would appear that the priest took the money under false pretenses unless he made an open disclosure of his belief to the person paying the stipend.  And even then, how could he reconcile his conscience if he took the stipend for a Mass or Masses which he believed would be of absolutely no avail for the particular deceased?

    Your comments please.


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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #56 on: December 06, 2025, 10:26:40 AM »
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  • If any trad priest or trad bishop believed what you are saying and still took money for a stipend for a Mass or Masses for a deceased person who they knew to have died in the Conciliar Church as you refer to it, then it would appear that the priest took the money under false pretenses 
    That is correct. Either you believe there is absolutely no salvation outside the Catholic Church, which the Conciliar Church is not, or you reject the Dogma. If a trad priest or bishop believes this, he would have to not accept a stipend for someone he knew to have been inside the Conciliar Church, and therefore outside of the Catholic Church.

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    unless he made an open disclosure of his belief to the person paying the stipend.  And even then, how could he reconcile his conscience if he took the stipend for a Mass or Masses which he believed would be of absolutely no avail for the particular deceased?

    He couldn't.
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #57 on: December 06, 2025, 04:59:10 PM »
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  • That is correct. Either you believe there is absolutely no salvation outside the Catholic Church, which the Conciliar Church is not, or you reject the Dogma. If a trad priest or bishop believes this, he would have to not accept a stipend for someone he knew to have been inside the Conciliar Church, and therefore outside of the Catholic Church.

    He couldn't.

    Thank you for filling in and providing such clarity and unambiguousness in your response.

    Having said that, I would ask at what point in time  -- as near exact precision as you can in terms of a date or time frame -- when in your opinion did the Conciliar Church come into existence?  Was it suddenly or did it take place over a period of days, weeks, months or years?

    Also, in your opinion what was and is the correct criteria for determining whether an individual has died in the Conciliar Church or the Catholic Church?

    To be more concrete and therefor in terms of particulars what, for example, would be the determining factors for an individual who was going to the Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo rite, each about 50% of the time due to the infrequent availability of the independent trad priest?  If that individual died on a Sunday immediately after confessing his sins to a NO priest and attending a NO Mass would he have died in the Conciliar Church? 

    If that same individual had died on a Sunday immediately after confessing his sins to that independent trad priest and assisting at a Tridentine Mass offered by that priest would he have died in the Catholic Church?

    Thank you for your anticipated response and I would certainly welcome a constructive response from anyone else.

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #58 on: December 06, 2025, 05:48:09 PM »
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  • Having said that, I would ask at what point in time  -- as near exact precision as you can in terms of a date or time frame -- when in your opinion did the Conciliar Church come into existence?  Was it suddenly or did it take place over a period of days, weeks, months or years?
    As an institution, I would have to say with the promulgation of the Vatican II docuмents and even more clearly with the Novus Ordo liturgy and other sacraments. The Church that promulgated the V2 docuмents and the Novus Ordo Missae could not have been the Catholic Church, because it lacks the marks of the  Catholic Church. I'm not sure anyone could give an exact date, but I think we can safely say at least 65 years ago. 

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    Also, in your opinion what was and is the correct criteria for determining whether an individual has died in the Conciliar Church or the Catholic Church?

    Did they profess the true Faith and did they reject V2, the NO, and the Conciliar Church as non-Catholic, heretical, etc? 

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    To be more concrete and therefor in terms of particulars what, for example, would be the determining factors for an individual who was going to the Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo rite, each about 50% of the time due to the infrequent availability of the independent trad priest? If that individual died on a Sunday immediately after confessing his sins to a NO priest and attending a NO Mass would he have died in the Conciliar Church?

    If someone attends non-Catholic religious services as a practice of their faith, then they do not profess the true Faith. Putting aside whether or not the NO priest is even a real priest, there would be no remission of sins there because he is unrepentantly participating in non-Catholic religious services. Someone who attends the non-Catholic NO mass and then dies without having repented of that sin is damned. I don't take pleasure in saying this as I've known many NOers, but 50/50 doesn't cut it..and it never has. You are either Catholic or you are not. A single grain of incense to the pagan gods is an act of apostasy 


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    If that same individual had died on a Sunday immediately after confessing his sins to that independent trad priest and assisting at a Tridentine Mass offered by that priest would he have died in the Catholic Church?

    If he professed the true Faith and repented of having attended the NO and having practiced a false religion, then yes.
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: The Problem with Fuentes
    « Reply #59 on: December 06, 2025, 07:49:41 PM »
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  • As an institution, I would have to say with the promulgation of the Vatican II docuмents and even more clearly with the Novus Ordo liturgy and other sacraments. The Church that promulgated the V2 docuмents and the Novus Ordo Missae could not have been the Catholic Church, because it lacks the marks of the  Catholic Church. I'm not sure anyone could give an exact date, but I think we can safely say at least 65 years ago.

    The 16 Vatican II docuмents started to be promulgated on 12/4/63 and ended on 12/7/65 with the NO Mass being promulgated on 4/3/69 and first implemented on 11/30/69.  Obviously, a time of great confusion and shattered catechesis with many, if not most,  in the above time frame and succeeding years not even realizing that the Church was being utterly hijacked by a ruinous praxis.  They were being told by those "in authority" that it was a new springtime.

    You say that the Conciliar Church came in to being "at least 65 years ago."  That would be in 1960 before Vatican II even started.