The Principle (2014) - Dialogue Attribution
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Narrator (Intro Voiceover):
The Copernican principle, named after Nicolaus Copernicus, states that the Earth is not in any specially favored or central location.
Welcome to The Principle.
It only seems like we're the center of the universe.
But we're not.
There's nothing special about humans.
It's tremendous to be human.
So why wouldn't we want to be in a special place in the universe made by a special god?
Narrator (Transition):
Then there's cosmology.
Expert (Unspecified Cosmologist):
Then there are probably 100 billion solar systems in our galaxy alone.
Narrator (Voiceover):
The Copernican principle— The universe on large scales is extremely simple.
It's the same in all directions.
There's nothing special about the Earth.
In fact, our universe may be one among many universes.
Narrator (Voiceover):
What our universe is really trying to tell us.
Lawrence Krauss (Physicist, implied from context):
If our Earth really turns out to be special, then I would say, hey, God made a mistake.
Unspecified Speaker (Philosopher/Theologian):
God.
That's the only infinity.
Unspecified Expert (On Future Cosmology):
How're we gonna move into the next decade?
Unspecified Philosopher:
Philosophically speaking, it's very uncomfortable.
Because if the Earth is in the center of the universe, that means that somebody put it there.
Unspecified Theologian:
We've always believed that there was a Garden of Eden.
Unspecified Believer (e.g., Religious Scientist):
I believe in God.
I believe the universe was created by God.
Unspecified Expert (On Earth's Specialness):
We've realized that maybe Earth is more special than we thought after all, but for a different reason.
Narrator (Voiceover):
We live in a very special time.
Life is extremely special.
This idea that we're not in any special place in the universe, there's something wrong with that.
All these things are rather strange, and we don't know why they're occurring right now.
It's a mystery that's frustrating many of us.
There's all this stuff out there.
That must mean we're insignificant.
That must mean there's nothing special about this place.
On the largest possible scales, the universe is uniform.
So why would they expect to see anything special?
Unspecified Philosopher:
Just because we are smaller than a star or the Andromeda Galaxy, we're somehow less significant.
Robert Sungenis (Filmmaker/Director, implied context):
For better or worse, there's gonna be a debate over this matter, and it's proper that the debate continue until the resolution has been hit upon.
Always question the scientists and their foundations.
Unspecified Physicist:
At the moment, modern physics is not making a lot of sense.
What is everything made of?
You, know, oops.
There is about 95% stuff we don't know.
And what have they discovered?
Absolutely nothing.
Zilch.
They've tried all the answers, and none of the answers work.
Unspecified Expert (Affirming Geocentrism):
We are in a special place.
I do believe that.
Unspecified Scientist:
I don't think that this is telling us that we humans are in a particular, special place.
Narrator (Voiceover):
It seems to make it special, but we don't like being special.
It's the moment of truth for science.
Narrator (Voiceover):
The principle is simple.
It tells us we're nothing special.
As Carl Sagan has put it, "We live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe, in which there are far more galaxies than people." Whether we call it the Copernican principle or the cosmological principle or the mediocrity principle, it all boils down to the same thing.
We're nothing special.
There are no special places or directions in the universe, no center, no edges, no up, no down, no left or right.
For almost 500 years, as we have looked further and further out into the cosmos, everything has seemed to confirm this principle over and over again.
And yet, we have never seen anything like Earth.
A baby's smile, the finale of a great symphony, the lights of all of the cities of our Earth shining out into space.
We observe these things nowhere else in all this vastness.
We have yet to find evidence of other intelligent life, or any other life, for that matter.
If we really are nothing special, then where is everybody?
Narrator (Voiceover):
Over the past decade or so, we have seen out to the very limits of the observable cosmos.
We've mapped its largest structure, the cosmic microwave background, the oldest light in the universe, according to the standard big bang model of cosmology.
What we have discovered is shocking.
Unspecified Cosmologist:
There is a crisis in cosmology.
Unspecified Expert:
It's an exciting time for cosmology because everything has changed.
We are asking about ultimate things.
Seeing the fingerprint of God or the hallmarks of the creator.
Unspecified Philosopher:
You see, in some sense what is happening, our concept of what the universe is has changed.
The pendulum has kind of swung all the way over and kind of a bit back again on the Copernican principle.
Unspecified Critic (Of Big Bang):
Big bang cosmology assumes that the only thing that exists is the physical world, and there's nothing beyond that.
Unspecified Scientist:
People want to save the existing models, because there's a lot that's invested in them.
The standard model is a really good model.
It fits the observations very, very well.
We have a conflict between what is well-established, mainstream thought and what is the testimony of experiments.
They've essentially run into dead ends.
This is the moment of truth, because they have nowhere to go.
Narrator (Voiceover, Describing CMB Map):
The colors we see here in the cosmic microwave background map are kind of like a weather map, showing hotter and colder, showing how hot the radiation is that's coming from different places.
This is just radio noise from our own Milky Way Galaxy.
We're supposed to see the same number and types of hot and cold spots in all directions, 'cause there is no up in the universe that's special.
And that is sort of what we see, except not quite.
This map here can be decomposed into what we call multipoles.
You blur out all the little spots and you still have the bigger ones remain.
Like here is an area with a lot of blue.
So when you smudge it, this will be one single, big blue spot.
Whereas when I smudge this, where there's a lot of red and yellow, it'll be one big, blurry hot spot.
On the very largest scales, we see a pattern of really big hot and cold spots, which line up around a special axis, which has been dubbed the Axis of Evil.
And it's quite puzzling.
Why is there a special direction in space?
Narrator (Voiceover, Climactic Statement):
Our most recent large-scale observations challenge the basic assumption upon which our modern scientific worldview rests, the Copernican principle.
If the principle is wrong, it could mean that everything we think we know about our universe is wrong.
Narrator (Voiceover, Philosophical Reflection):
All of us are born with an innate need, in fact, it's hardwired into us, to answer the question, who are we?
Where did we come from?
What does it all mean?
Was there a beginning?
And if there was a beginning, was there a creator?
Unspecified Historian (Of Cosmology):
Cosmology used to be a very flaky subject, somewhere out there between philosophy and metaphysics.
In the early days, cosmology was really very much a matter of almost speculating about the universe without the data.
There weren't any empirical proofs for what they were finding.
There were theories.
Narrator (Voiceover):
Cosmology, the study of the origins, structures, laws and ultimate fate of the universe.
Now the remarkable thing about cosmology is that we have the data.
Unspecified Philosopher (On Science vs. Philosophy):
What counts as science and what doesn't?
Traditionally, people have said, well, once you get to the big bang itself, you're in the domain of philosophy or even theology.
And so it doesn't make sense to ask the question, you know, what happened at the big bang, let alone what happened before the big bang.
Unspecified Historian:
Philosophy was useful before we had natural science, namely, you can speculate about the origin of the universe, you can speculate till the cows come home, but until you measure things and predict things, you don't know if they happen.
But today, we think we have it.
We think we have the theory of all creation, the theory of everything.
Narrator (Voiceover):
The theory of everything, the system of the world.
It has always been the dream of scientists and, earlier, of philosophers and theologians to achieve a consistent and complete description of reality.
Narrator (Voiceover, Biblical Reference):
In the Book of Genesis, God tells Abraham, "Look up and number the stars, if you can." This is the beginning of faith, and the beginning of science.
In the beginning, they're both the same thing.
It was the natural assumption of the ancient world to see the movements in the heavens as centered upon us.
Narrator (Voiceover, Historical Description):
From the location of Stonehenge, near Salisbury, England, we can see the standing ruins of what may be the very first astronomical observatory, constructed from an Earth-centered, fixed viewpoint, around which the heavens revolve.
If we imagine ourselves standing on a fixed world at a latitude of 51 degrees during the summer, the circle of the sun seems to rise toward the North Pole, giving us the long days of summer.
Over the full course of the year, the circle of the sun will rise and fall 23.5 degrees.
Add stars, and our world can be described by this diagram.
Narrator (Voiceover):
Ptolemy refined a system with Earth at the center, and the puzzling back-and-forth motions of the planets, as seen from Earth, attributed to a series of epicycles, deferent and equant.
The general assumption at the time was that the heavenly bodies should move in perfect uniform circles, and Ptolemy's addition of the epicycles disturbed this metaphysical notion.
Ironically, the problem with the Ptolemaic system was a particular feature in it, which was actually, in my opinion, by far the greatest discovery made in antiquity.
Unspecified Historian (On Ptolemy):
He had the planets moving on what was called a deferent, nonuniformly.
He broke the hallowed tradition that everything must move at a uniform speed on a perfect circle.
And he was forced to do that because his theory, which initially had that property, didn't fit the data.
Unspecified Theologian/Historian:
In that regard, it should be kept in mind that if you look at pictures of medieval cosmology, then you see not only the Earth and the planets, but the outer sphere beyond that, you would have heaven.
So that the Earth was considered to be at rest ultimately with respect to heaven, with respect to the throne of God.
Narrator (Voiceover):
For 1,500 years, Ptolemy's system was used as the basis of astronomy and calendars, and it worked quite well.
But there were always those who detested its departure from the purely uniform, circular motion assumed to be perfect and appropriate for heavenly bodies.
Among these was Nicolaus Copernicus.
Unspecified Historian (On Copernicus):
Copernicus hated that.
And Copernicus set about to undo Ptolemy's greatest discovery.
Narrator (Voiceover):
While working at the request of Pope Leo X on improvements to the Julian calendar, Copernicus conceived what turned out to be the foundational idea of modernity itself, the idea that the Earth moved.
Unspecified Philosopher:
The Copernican principle is theological dynamite.
Unspecified Historian:
It did in a way all start with Copernicus, because Copernicus, we started off with a geocentric view, and Copernicus showed that that is wrong, that actually it's the sun is the center of the universe, as it seemed then.
The Earth goes around the sun.
So then we had the heliocentric view.
Narrator (Voiceover):
Copernicus told us that we're not the center of the universe, certainly not the center of the solar system.
The sun doesn't go around the Earth.
The Earth goes around the sun.
Unspecified Expert:
That's the Copernican principle, that if we are not really special, then this gigantic universe of ours doesn't care about us.
We are nothing, absolute nothing.
Unspecified Cosmologist:
In the concepts of cosmology, this is called the cosmological principle.
So the point is that we might think we're at the center of the universe, because it looks, everything should look pretty symmetric as we look around us, around the sky.
But actually, any other observer would see the same thing.
It's the basis of the standard cosmologies, and it's taken for granted by almost everybody in cosmology.
Unspecified Historian:
When Copernicus first came along and said, "Hey, we humans are not so special that everything centers around us," a lot of people viewed this Copernican principle as something bad.
Unspecified Philosopher:
The Copernican revolution is the revolution of the mobility of the Earth.
Copernican principle leads to, ultimately, the idea that there is no God.
That we are nothing compared to this splendorous universe of ours.
Unspecified Expert (Positive View):
I think it was actually one of the greatest things that ever happened to us.
We were, we had this arrogance, and we got it knocked out of us.
And we realized that, actually, not the center of everything, and so we can't just say, oh, I'm not gonna look at what the world looks like, 'cause I have a book here, or my authority told me this is how it is.
I don't need to do observations.
And instead, say, hey, you know, it doesn't all center around us.
We humans have to be humble.
We have to look and ask Mother Nature, how do you work?
Narrator (Voiceover):
Not all were persuaded by Copernicus, however.
The greatest astronomer of the time, Tycho Brahe, developed a new geocentric model.
The Earth occupies the center, the planets orbit the sun, and the sun orbits the Earth.
Unspecified Historian (On Tycho Brahe):
Tycho Brahe, who is a great unsung hero of this, because he did an immense number of observations, very accurate ones, very precise, for a long period of time.
Unspecified Expert (On Tychonic System):
Well, the Tychonic geocentric system, the sun is traveling around the Earth, literally, and carrying the planets with it.
So the sun is making the ecliptic, it's not the Earth.
Narrator (Voiceover):
Tycho hired a young assistant named Johannes Kepler in 1600.
Kepler, working on his own development of the Copernican system, needed Tycho's observations, but Tycho refused to part with them.
When Tycho died suddenly and mysteriously in 1601, Kepler took charge of Tycho's observations and used them to develop his own system.
Kepler's great insight was that the sun must be playing a significant role in the motion of the planets.
Unspecified Expert (On Planetary Motion):
They are following very definite paths, we know that for sure.
How on Earth do they do it?
And what moves them?
So he said, "The sun must be somehow causing them to go round." So he postulated that the sun is rotating and had sort of spokes, which somehow got weaker as you were further from the sun.
Narrator (Voiceover):
In Kepler's system, the sun is in the center, while the planets move on ellipses nonuniformly.
The ellipse, with its two foci, allows us to see that Ptolemy's epicycles and equant were actually a brilliant attempt to express nonuniform motion, centuries before Kepler.
Indeed, once the concept of nonuniform motion is introduced, all of these systems can be shown to be geometrically identical.
It was Kepler's idea that the sun must somehow be moving the planets in their orbits that set the stage for Isaac Newton's great breakthroughs.
But observational tools equal to the task would first have to be developed.
Narrator (Transition to Galileo):
Now, it's good old Galileo was the first person...
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