Ok, so I am going to admit that before I joined this forum I had never heard the words "The Great Monarch Prophecy" before. I asked an online friend about it who attends FSSP mass in Oklahoma(but used to attend SSPX mass when he lived in Houston, Texas) and he gave me a little bit of information at least enough to know that the people here were talking about a legitamate prophecy.

So I started casually mentioning this at dinner parties when one of my friends who runs the bookstore at our chapel, and has been SSPX all his life I believe, and who has a VAST library, told me he'd give me a book with information on it.

The book is called "Phophecy for Today" and appears to have an intial copyright of 1956 and an updated one in the 1980's and reprinted by TAN in the 80's.

It has more prophecies but I was intrigued by the talks here of the great monarch and thusly turned immediately to that page. I have read the whole section now.

So I thought maybe we could have a discussion on this topic.

I'll begin by putting up some of the prophecies from the book on here.

Saint Hippolytus(Died 235): "The Great French Monarch who shall subject all the east shall come around the end of the world."

Saint Cataldus of Tarentino (c. 500): "The Great Monarch will be in war till he is forty years of age; a king of the House of Lily, he will assemble great armies and expel tyrants from his empire. He will conquer England and other island empires. Greece he will invade and be made a king thereof. Clochis, Cyprus, the Turks and barbarians he will subdue and have all men to worship the Crucified One. He will at length lay down his crown in Jerusalem."

Saint Caesar of Arles (469-543): "When the entire world, and in a special manner France, and in France more particularly the provinces of the north, of the eastm and above all that of Lorraine and Champagne, shall have been a prey to the greatest miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be succored  by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the crown of the lilies.
"This Prince shall extend his dominion over the entire universe. At the same time there will be a Great Pope, who will be most eminent in sanctity and most perfect in every quality. This Pope shall have with him the Great Monarch, a most virtuous man who shall be a scion of the holy race of the French Kings. This Great Monarch will assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth. Many princes and nations that are living in error and impiety shall be converted, and an admirable peace shall reign among men during manyyears because the wrath of God shall be appeased throgh repentance, penance and good works. There will be one common law, one only faith, one baptism, one religion. All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope. But after some considerable time fervor shall cool, iniquity shall abound , and moral corruption shall become worse than ever, which shall bring upon mankind the last and worst persecution of Antichrist and the end of the world."

Ok I was typing that whole thing out, I have no digital copy to copy/paste from. And I'm tired. I'll add a few more later. In the mean time does anyone else have anything on the Great Monarch? Do most trads believe in it? I personally do.

Is this the Dupont book?  It's been cited quite a few times here, and I believe is available for download on the internet.

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php/The-Great-Catholic-Monarch

This is a thread from this forum with useful info there.

I think a discussion on it is a good idea. I am interested if there is anything happening now that makes the appearance of the Monarch seem imminent.

also here:
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/great-catholic-monarch.htm

No...I don't beleive in any monarch BS...the solution to monarchy has often been rule 303.

Well you are entitled to you're opinion on this matter, but consider this; monarchy whether it be in it's absolute or constitutional forms is the form of government which is most natural for mankind. The reason for this is that it most closely mimics the natural order of the family (a nation being a large family), with either a mother (queen) or a father (king) and always children (the people). In a monarchy all the acts of government have restraint and (very) rarely flow into excess. Let's face it if the Kaiser was on the throne would there have been a WWII? If the Tsar was alive do you think Stalin could have acted as he did? Who was responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, Queen Elizabeth II? Don't think I'm suggesting that all republics commit crimes of that magnitude, but when a government has no constitutional restraint and is acting "in the name of the people" the results can be quite disastrous.

Aside from all of these secular arguments, the most important thing is that one day we will all live in a Kingdom... that of Heaven! One day we will be reigned over with Christ as our King and Mary as our Queen!

Let's face it if the Kaiser was on the throne would there have been a WWII? If the Tsar was alive do you think Stalin could have acted as he did? Who was responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, Queen Elizabeth II?

To be honest, I don´t think that would have made such a big difference.

Then, was it the Commonwealth of England that put that nation into schism and heresy? Who gave Luther the support in Germany? Didn´t the Holy Roman Emperor dissolve numerous monasteries and passed schismatic laws in the course of Josephinism? Didn´t Louis XVI. take an oath on the French constitution, already condemned by the Pope? Was it the President or King of Sardinia-Piedmont who stole the Patrimony of St. Peter? Did the Weimar Republic or the German Empire fight Catholicism in the Kulturkampf? And Napoleon, the First and the Third, was a Monarch, too! Juan Carlos, the Most Catholic King of Spain according to title, pressed Liberalism into the till then pretty sheltered Spanish society.

I could go one forever with this. Still, I favor a monarchical form of state, for the reason you mentioned above and which can be found in the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas.
But much more important is that the nation, may it be republican or monarchical, follows the right principles of governing, being obedient in all matters to the Catholic faith. Everything else is pretty much a matter of taste.
The President of the United States for example is much more a Monarch than Elizebath II. Truly, the term constitutional monarchy does not really apply to most of the so called monarchies we know, they are merely representative monarchies.

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No...I don't beleive in any monarch BS...the solution to monarchy has often been rule 303.

Well you are entitled to you're opinion on this matter, but consider this; monarchy whether it be in it's absolute or constitutional forms is the form of government which is most natural for mankind. The reason for this is that it most closely mimics the natural order of the family (a nation being a large family), with either a mother (queen) or a father (king) and always children (the people). In a monarchy all the acts of government have restraint and (very) rarely flow into excess. Let's face it if the Kaiser was on the throne would there have been a WWII? If the Tsar was alive do you think Stalin could have acted as he did? Who was responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, Queen Elizabeth II? Don't think I'm suggesting that all republics commit crimes of that magnitude, but when a government has no constitutional restraint and is acting "in the name of the people" the results can be quite disastrous.

Aside from all of these secular arguments, the most important thing is that one day we will all live in a Kingdom... that of Heaven! One day we will be reigned over with Christ as our King and Mary as our Queen!

Actually you are wrong....monarchy is not the most natural form of gov't for people.   Even God preferred we not use that form...it was weakness and self abortion which caused the Hebrews to ask for a king in place of their better form...a request He at first declined....knowing better what was good for us....but we insisted and he gave so we could see our mistake up close and personal...


You are to INTERNALIZE Christ as your King so that you make right choices....this will make any form of .gov work...but it will be best suited and more probable in a freer society such as our republic.

God does not want slaves he wants us to choose rightly of our own free will.

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No...I don't beleive in any monarch BS...the solution to monarchy has often been rule 303.

Well you are entitled to you're opinion on this matter, but consider this; monarchy whether it be in it's absolute or constitutional forms is the form of government which is most natural for mankind. The reason for this is that it most closely mimics the natural order of the family (a nation being a large family), with either a mother (queen) or a father (king) and always children (the people). In a monarchy all the acts of government have restraint and (very) rarely flow into excess. Let's face it if the Kaiser was on the throne would there have been a WWII? If the Tsar was alive do you think Stalin could have acted as he did? Who was responsible for the Rwandan Genocide, Queen Elizabeth II? Don't think I'm suggesting that all republics commit crimes of that magnitude, but when a government has no constitutional restraint and is acting "in the name of the people" the results can be quite disastrous.

Aside from all of these secular arguments, the most important thing is that one day we will all live in a Kingdom... that of Heaven! One day we will be reigned over with Christ as our King and Mary as our Queen!

Actually you are wrong....monarchy is not the most natural form of gov't for people.   Even God preferred we not use that form...it was weakness and self abortion which caused the Hebrews to ask for a king in place of their better form...a request He at first declined....knowing better what was good for us....but we insisted and he gave so we could see our mistake up close and personal...


You are to INTERNALIZE Christ as your King so that you make right choices....this will make any form of .gov work...but it will be best suited and more probable in a freer society such as our republic.

God does not want slaves he wants us to choose rightly of our own free will.

Ok I'm "wrong", please tell me the most natural form of government for mankind. One in which we are not "slaves", instead one where we have liberties as in your republic. When you say that we are slaves in a monarchy, you clearly misunderstand it's nature.

A monarchy is a form of government where the head of state is a monarch, that is all it constitutes. It does not mean tyranny or some form of dictatorship, and yes the government can even include aspects of democracy. Seriously some of the most oppressive regimes in history were republics, nαzι Germany, Soviet Russia, Commie China (and the list goes on). In a monarchy the power of a government is limited by a monarch who has very real reasons for wanting to be just; wither it be egotistical or wanting to keep his people happy.

True liberty wears a crown my friend!  :king:

FWIW, any body, however large or small, must have ONE head.  Even republics incorporate this undeniable principle.

That is why dictatorships would also fall under St. Thomas qualification.

If think in general the notion of a monarchy is not understood (as slightly referred to in my first post here). It has nothing to do with some kind of romantic concept from the 19th century or fancy cloths and crown.