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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on October 25, 2012, 03:08:54 PM
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One of the most fascinating topics, in my opinion, is the subject of "Tradition: the next generation"
How many of today's pillars of the Traditional movement came over from the Novus Ordo at some point? How many multi-generational Trad families are there?
We talked about "success" vs "Catholic living" last week. On a related note, have you even wondered how some of today's Trads are going to be replaced?
Can they be replaced? Not really. Let me explain:
Many pillars of Tradition -- especially financially -- have such means because they chose their careers (and sometimes their WIVES' careers!) before they were traditional Catholic. And it's easy to get in a good situation financially when you only have 2 or 3 children.
How many older Catholics -- Baby Boomers for example -- do you know with large families (defined as "more than 4 children")? I'm not saying they're bad or doomed or anything like that, but it's a fact that many of today's older trad Catholics have 2-3 children. During their childbearing years, they used NFP, birth control, whatever.
It's easy to amass wealth when you don't have to use both hands -- and one foot -- to count your children.
And Baby Boomers lived in a different world, where it wasn't quite as bad to send your children to Public School. I know that my wife and I would have TONS more time to make (and save) money if our 2 oldest were gone all day to school. We'd also save on homeschooling book expenses.
How can today's 2nd or 3rd generation trads compete with this? Unless they inherit a chunk of wealth, there's NO WAY they will be in a similar position financially in 40 years.
It's not that having children is expensive, but there is SOME added expense with each additional child, and there is certainly a TIME and LOST OPPORTUNITY cost associated with taking care of a big family. I speak from experience on this.
If a 2nd generation Trad went for one of the careers these Baby Boomers have today, he'd be compromising his Faith -- which is why so few of them are willing to do it. I can't really blame them. But it is going to change the face of the Trad movement in a couple decades.
I could give you dozens of examples; this is something I'm quite confident about.
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there are single never been married traditional Catholics who are struggling financially too. Also, it is hard for many to find a good catholic spouse.
That is a reason why so many catholics married later in life too.
Also, there are also many trad catholics who would didn't choose careers over family and wanted more then 3 children and couldn't.
Then there are traditional catholics who never used birthcontrol NFP and are struggling with infertility. How painful to attend Mass and see everyone with 7-8 children and then not even have one.
And everyone is so prolife this and pro life that and yet no one can (not even clergy) can tell the parents how or where to adopt these babies.
So how many babies are actually being saved?
They found out that Peta killed more animals then finding homes because many people were so obsessed with protesting and fundraising they forgot about the goal.
However, Catholicism as we know it might be illegal. It was liberal Jєωιѕн and catholics (Mayor Bloomberg of NYC and cardinal Dolan) who both denied Christ with the religious ban of September 11, 2012 ceremony.
It was liberal catholics, protestants and Jєωιѕн people who were delegates and they tried to deny God and remove him from the platform. They even booed God.
In a New Jersey , many of us traditional and vatican II catholics called our representatives when the state governemnt tried to do away with homeschooling. It might have been a Jєωιѕн elected official who presented the bill.. I'm not sure.
I do know that in New Jersey, that a Jєωιѕн democrat...tried to rid certain holidays like Columbus day and memorial and Irish teaching in the schools. He later died young. For once the Ancient order of hibernians did something.
Also, the New Jersey hall of fame tried to induct a cartoonist who was well known for his anti -irish cartoons during the days of anti-Catholicism in america ...
Did you know that New Jersey first Constitution discriminated against Catholics..
My ancestors who were traditional cAtholics came to this country had big families and were dirt poor and persecuted and had cross burning on their lawns.
Poor and brave German priests from philadelphia would dodge bullets and other dangers to have Mass at their home.
It was because of their Catholic Faith that pulled them through and because of their hard labors the Church was built.... then came vatican II
So we all come from "traditional" Catholicism. NOvus order this novus ordo that. Thee would never been any diocese of camden or philly if it wasn't for the real Catholics, including my own ancestors...who came from Ireland...
Pretty soon the penal laws will return. How many will take the easy way out.
In New Jersey a priest was hung for offering Mass to african americans and native Americans...Burlington county, NJ
Did you know there were riots in PHiladelphia when the know nothings were harrassing and murdering catholics..
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oops got off topic somehow..
these are hard times for everyone. We've had our share of hard times financially.
The Catholic faith in our house hold always came first because it is who we are.
It is what brought us together.
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oops got off topic somehow..
these are hard times for everyone. We've had our share of hard times financially.
The Catholic faith in our house hold always came first because it is who we are.
It is what brought us together.
Yes, you did get way off-topic.
I would appreciate it if you -- and anyone reading this -- would please stay on-topic.
So if there's anything in Viva's post (above) that "makes you want to post" -- please start a new thread. Thank you.
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I can comment on the first 3 lines of your post -- the ones that WERE on-topic.
I understand infertility, marrying late, etc. but that doesn't explain why 999 out of 1000 Baby Boomers have 3 or 4 children. Usually not less than 3, but usually not more than 4.
It's up there with "own your own home", "debt is no big deal", "invest in the stock market", "increase your standard of living over the years", "vacations are important" and "use credit cards" in the Baby Boomer Rule of Life handbook.
Let's dredge up my qualifications again -- I've been a trad for 3 decades. I've seen many chapels and known plenty of trads. I seldom meet large families founded by Baby Boomers. Even the "good ones" used NFP, or didn't grasp the whole CULTURAL Catholicism (as taught by the SSPX, etc.) until much later in life.
Heck, a few Baby Boomers have smaller families because of the modern epidemic of C-sections. "Trust the doctors", "Trust pharmaceuticals/pharmaceutical companies" are also tenets of Baby Boomers.
Incidentally, every tenet I listed above as being held by Baby Boomers -- I completely reject myself. Except for owning your own home, but even then I differ from them. I believe homes should NOT be paid on for 30 years. Mortgages should NOT be a fact of life.
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One of the most fascinating topics, in my opinion, is the subject of "Tradition: the next generation"
How many of today's pillars of the Traditional movement came over from the Novus Ordo at some point? How many multi-generational Trad families are there?
We talked about "success" vs "Catholic living" last week. On a related note, have you even wondered how some of today's Trads are going to be replaced?
Can they be replaced? Not really. Let me explain:
Many pillars of Tradition -- especially financially -- have such means because they chose their careers (and sometimes their WIVES' careers!) before they were traditional Catholic. And it's easy to get in a good situation financially when you only have 2 or 3 children.
How many older Catholics -- Baby Boomers for example -- do you know with large families (defined as "more than 4 children")? I'm not saying they're bad or doomed or anything like that, but it's a fact that many of today's older trad Catholics have 2-3 children. During their childbearing years, they used NFP, birth control, whatever.
It's easy to amass wealth when you don't have to use both hands -- and one foot -- to count your children.
And Baby Boomers lived in a different world, where it wasn't quite as bad to send your children to Public School. I know that my wife and I would have TONS more time to make (and save) money if our 2 oldest were gone all day to school. We'd also save on homeschooling book expenses.
How can today's 2nd or 3rd generation trads compete with this? Unless they inherit a chunk of wealth, there's NO WAY they will be in a similar position financially in 40 years.
It's not that having children is expensive, but there is SOME added expense with each additional child, and there is certainly a TIME and LOST OPPORTUNITY cost associated with taking care of a big family. I speak from experience on this.
If a 2nd generation Trad went for one of the careers these Baby Boomers have today, he'd be compromising his Faith -- which is why so few of them are willing to do it. I can't really blame them. But it is going to change the face of the Trad movement in a couple decades.
I could give you dozens of examples; this is something I'm quite confident about.
I said it previous in your "two types of priests" thread and I'll say it again: a lot of traditional Catholics won't go into the professions that will afford them the means to support a large family because of the outright hostility that they would receive from other members of their churches. This is especially true in pure and applies sciences, from which you get doctors, physicists, engineers, etc. This is the digital age and these forefronts of science are the only places where a man can truly make excellent money in a manner that doesn't swindle people or cooperate with government/social grift. Scientists are the only producers left on the planet, which is frightening when you consider how flighty some of them are.
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Do you think it would help if Traditional Catholics would work at securing their own social groups. Such as, through their own chapels, creating groups that help each other in need with things like helping out when large families are just starting out and might need babysitting, help with home repairs, chapel food bank, etc. All under the guidance of the priest who would know what family needs what kind of help.
As well as blessings from the priest for whatever needs blessings, homes, cars, pets, etc. Active devotions in chapels, even if a priest isn't available all the time.
We have some activities at our chapel, but communication falls apart, hurt feelings, gossip, etc. get in the way and things continuously fall apart.
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a lot of traditional Catholics won't go into the professions that will afford them the means to support a large family because of the outright hostility that they would receive from other members of their churches.
Then they are cowards and idiots for letting peer group pressure affect their lives. As long as one is not sinning, they can work at any profession.
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To survive their financial futures, young traditionalist will have to follow the same technique they used for finding the truth about the faith; they have to follow history, what was done before in past times.
One example is the family. In past times family lived in the same neighborhood; grandparents, uncles, aunts, brothers, cousins, all lived in the same neighborhood, and helped each other out. (TODAY- everyone lives in different states!) The family ( grandparents, uncles, aunts, brothers, cousins) started the young people in business, teaching them from a young age. P.S.- too get started, family can be other trads.
That one change is EVERYTHING!!!!!! As long as Americans "go it alone", they don't have a chance.
from: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08202a.htm (1907 encyclopedia)
.. 87 per cent of the Italians of the United States are settled in the New England and North Atlantic divisions, and that of these nearly 80 per cent crowd into the large cities. This congestion presents a most serious problem. The phenomenon, however, is not peculiar to the Italians; it is also to be observed in the case of other nationalities which are in the same economic condition as the Italians. The city offers a large number of various resources; it furnishes work to the newcomer from the start, and it needs the newcomer for a variety of occupations which he alone can fill. The Italian immigrant is perhaps the most adaptable of all in this respect; he is intelligent, in most cases sober, faithful in his work, always looking for an opportunity to increase his salary. He goes from one shop to another, from the railroad tracks to the mill.
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Thanks bowler, I was thinking about how family ties helped individuals succeed, in my head, but didn't write it down. I would also add, at least here in the US, cultural background helped individuals succeed. Willa Cather writes about it in her novels. Just as masons help each other succeed.
I remember reading Catholic groups (guilds) were organized to help other Catholics, and at one time the SSPX tried to promote the idea.
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I'm a single, young trad with a good amount of IT experience (about 7 years) and I am having a lot of difficulty finding a living wage job. (35k+) No one is hiring.
I am just trying to pay off my 10k of student loan debt so I can think about seminary or a monastery. But at this rate... it's never gonna happen. It's so difficult to find a good paying position.
Regarding chapels social events. My SSPX chapel barely has any groups at all, I honestly can't even think of one besides the guys who do landscaping for the church. That's sad really. The FSSP parish on the other side of town has a much better social atmosphere and lots of group activities.
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I'm a single, young trad with a good amount of IT experience (about 7 years) and I am having a lot of difficulty finding a living wage job. (35k+) No one is hiring.
I am just trying to pay off my 10k of student loan debt so I can think about seminary or a monastery. But at this rate... it's never gonna happen. It's so difficult to find a good paying position.
Don't pay the loan for now. Go into the seminary.
Regarding chapels social events. My SSPX chapel barely has any groups at all, I honestly can't even think of one besides the guys who do landscaping for the church..
This is a big problem with the SSPX that I and many others have been trying to change. I think it has to do with the French influence of the SSPX. The French educational system since WWII, has been directed toward producing government servants, office workers, teachers and such. The French have no entrepreneurial spirit left in them. The SSPX hierarchy is preparing the young men in the same way in their schools. They are doing nothing to prepare the young men to make a living. The SSPX schools need to teach trades to young men at an early age. Parents need to do the same.A young man of 18 that has worked in plumbing, electrical, carpentry, farming, biology, accounting, business, law etc., since he was a child, will have a foundation to apply to many fields.
The men in the chapels need to organize seminars to teach the children all of these things, hands on, building, fixing, real things the school or chapel needs. The modern thought that someone else will teach your children, and letting the children find work for themselves, won't cut it anymore.
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Regarding chapels social events. My SSPX chapel barely has any groups at all, I honestly can't even think of one besides the guys who do landscaping for the church.
Ask every man at your chapel (and any person in the world that you respect)what he does for a living, and how he got into it. You'll be surprised at how it happened. It will open up your mind to new horizons. Men love to be asked that question, and to talk about themselves.
Watch the movie the Bird Man of Alcatraz with Burt Lancaster. The guy was a lifer, A looser in every respect, then he found a baby bird during his the solitary confinement courtyard minutes. He went on to become the foremost world authority on birds. Had he not found that bird, he would have continued to be a less than nothing.
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A young boy use to go help his neighbor with his hobby of doing body work on cars. When the young man finished high school he went to a trade school to learn more about body work. He never finished the trade school, seeing that they were not teaching him anything he hadn't learned already. He went to work in a body shop. He shortly thereafter opened his own little shop. Today he owns three shops each run by his children, all his children, boys, and girls, (body work, accounting, sales).
If he had not had a neighbor that did body work, all of his children would be out of work, and likely living in another state.
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Thanks bowler, I was thinking about how family ties helped individuals succeed, in my head, but didn't write it down. I would also add, at least here in the US, cultural background helped individuals succeed. Willa Cather writes about it in her novels. Just as masons help each other succeed.
I remember reading Catholic groups (guilds) were organized to help other Catholics, and at one time the SSPX tried to promote the idea.
I'm new and learning the "culture and personality" of the forum, so I will naively ask why this post by padrepio received a thumbs down?
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I'm new and learning the "culture and personality" of the forum, so I will naively ask why this post by padrepio received a thumbs down?
Only the person who did it knows that.
Anyone can sign up here and rate things.
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Don't pay the loan for now. Go into the seminary.
Would the SSPX still allow me enter seminary with 10k of student loan debt? If so, that would be AWESOME. :D
I could technically defer it for 7 years while in seminary, then pay it off with my priests salary, but we all know the economy will collapse before then.
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Ask every man at your chapel (and any person in the world that you respect)what he does for a living, and how he got into it. You'll be surprised at how it happened. It will open up your mind to new horizons. Men love to be asked that question, and to talk about themselves.
Watch the movie the Bird Man of Alcatraz with Burt Lancaster. The guy was a lifer, A looser in every respect, then he found a baby bird during his the solitary confinement courtyard minutes. He went on to become the foremost world authority on birds. Had he not found that bird, he would have continued to be a less than nothing.
That's good advice, unfortunately most of these older gentleman have 20-40 years of experience on me. Most young 20-something year old guys do not have that. They come from a different era. It's much more difficult to get into a trade now unless you go to a trade school. Most trade schools don't even teach standard carpentry or gun-smithing or machinist positions. It's all service level trades now at these schools catered towards business marketing or Dentist office secretary, at least in Georgia. There are some trade schools that teach welding though, which is good.
I'd much rather be a priest or monk though, I feel that's my vocation. Only problem is my debt from studying Philosophy back when I was still attending the Novus Ordo thinking I was going to go into a Diocese. That's definitely no longer the case, I would only join a traditional order.
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I'm a single, young trad with a good amount of IT experience (about 7 years) and I am having a lot of difficulty finding a living wage job. (35k+) No one is hiring.
I am just trying to pay off my 10k of student loan debt so I can think about seminary or a monastery. But at this rate... it's never gonna happen. It's so difficult to find a good paying position.
Don't pay the loan for now. Go into the seminary.
I know that convents won't accept applicants with debt; I'm assuming seminary would be the same.
$10,000 isn't that much in the scheme of things. A bit of sacrifice and it can be paid off fairly quickly. Ascetik can get a second job delivering pizzas, if need be.
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A first job would be priority number one! :D
But yes, you're right, seems that paying off the debt is critical in order to do so.
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Thanks bowler, I was thinking about how family ties helped individuals succeed, in my head, but didn't write it down. I would also add, at least here in the US, cultural background helped individuals succeed. Willa Cather writes about it in her novels. Just as masons help each other succeed.
I remember reading Catholic groups (guilds) were organized to help other Catholics, and at one time the SSPX tried to promote the idea.
I'm new and learning the "culture and personality" of the forum, so I will naively ask why this post by padrepio received a thumbs down?
Like Tele answers you, only the person who thumbs down knows why. This time I think the thumbing down may have occurred because of the mention of Willa Cather. Maybe Padre Pio didn't know that Willa Cather was a lesbian who dressed in men's clothing, but the person who thumbed down did.
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Thanks Cheryl, I didn't even notice the thumbs down until someone mentioned it. That is an interesting point, about Willa Cather, if someone started another thread I would like to know where the information comes from that she is lesbian.
In this post, I was only pointing out how other groups, such as family, culture, or such, used their own ties within their groups to help their members. I could have used other examples, besides Cather or masons, I wasn't promoting them.
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Thanks Cheryl, I didn't even notice the thumbs down until someone mentioned it. That is an interesting point, about Willa Cather, if someone started another thread I would like to know where the information comes from that she is lesbian.
In this post, I was only pointing out how other groups, such as family, culture, or such, used their own ties within their groups to help their members. I could have used other examples, besides Cather or masons, I wasn't promoting them.
Padre, the funny thing (ironic) was that I got a thumbs up for my post about why you got a thumbs down. It must have meant I hit the thumb on the hand. I'm sure you had no idea that Willa was a lesbian. I can't remember where the info I found is/was, but I'll look and pm you. I think a better idea for a thread would be, as Catholics what do when the literature we read is good, but there is something mortally sinful about the author? Or what if the literature we read is written by a non-Catholic? This is why I leave all judgement up to Our Lord.
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Thanks again, and I'm giving you a thumbs up anyway. Yes, I like the idea of your topic.
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I'm a single, young trad with a good amount of IT experience (about 7 years) and I am having a lot of difficulty finding a living wage job. (35k+) No one is hiring.
I am just trying to pay off my 10k of student loan debt so I can think about seminary or a monastery. But at this rate... it's never gonna happen. It's so difficult to find a good paying position.
Regarding chapels social events. My SSPX chapel barely has any groups at all, I honestly can't even think of one besides the guys who do landscaping for the church. That's sad really. The FSSP parish on the other side of town has a much better social atmosphere and lots of group activities.
I could probably get you are job working for a Wall Street banking technology shop provided you're psychologically and personality wise in the middle of the bell curve and not on the thin tails. Starting pay in your mid 20s to late 20s is probably around 60k with no financial tec experience. Most of the jobs are New York and Boston.
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One of the most fascinating topics, in my opinion, is the subject of "Tradition: the next generation"
How many of today's pillars of the Traditional movement came over from the Novus Ordo at some point? How many multi-generational Trad families are there?
We talked about "success" vs "Catholic living" last week. On a related note, have you even wondered how some of today's Trads are going to be replaced?
Can they be replaced? Not really. Let me explain:
Many pillars of Tradition -- especially financially -- have such means because they chose their careers (and sometimes their WIVES' careers!) before they were traditional Catholic. And it's easy to get in a good situation financially when you only have 2 or 3 children.
How many older Catholics -- Baby Boomers for example -- do you know with large families (defined as "more than 4 children")? I'm not saying they're bad or doomed or anything like that, but it's a fact that many of today's older trad Catholics have 2-3 children. During their childbearing years, they used NFP, birth control, whatever.
It's easy to amass wealth when you don't have to use both hands -- and one foot -- to count your children.
And Baby Boomers lived in a different world, where it wasn't quite as bad to send your children to Public School. I know that my wife and I would have TONS more time to make (and save) money if our 2 oldest were gone all day to school. We'd also save on homeschooling book expenses.
How can today's 2nd or 3rd generation trads compete with this? Unless they inherit a chunk of wealth, there's NO WAY they will be in a similar position financially in 40 years.
It's not that having children is expensive, but there is SOME added expense with each additional child, and there is certainly a TIME and LOST OPPORTUNITY cost associated with taking care of a big family. I speak from experience on this.
If a 2nd generation Trad went for one of the careers these Baby Boomers have today, he'd be compromising his Faith -- which is why so few of them are willing to do it. I can't really blame them. But it is going to change the face of the Trad movement in a couple decades.
I could give you dozens of examples; this is something I'm quite confident about.
I have seen a fair amount of this in the UK a Trad chapels, less so in the SPPX, where the older members of the parish now in their 60s are reverts to the faith and have one or two children only because they lapsed in the 1970s and used contraceptives up to the turn of the millennium then returned to mass when their requirements had changed.
As for compromising your faith....that's a difficult one. I know Trads who work as plumbers or electricians and have to spend their days on building sites listening to foul jokes and stories about who each builder is sleeping with or what they would like to do to the latest young Hollywood actress. Construction sites can be pretty sick places with a pretty low class of person working there.
Doctors and nurses? Let's not even go there. Hospitals are notorious for affairs going on between the staff.
The conversations that go on in the average modern office are pretty foul, especially when women are dominating the conversation. I was at Thomson Reuters office in Canary Wharf earlier this year and one woman in her forties was talking to a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ colleague in the most disgusting way imaginable constantly joking about anal sex, butt plugs and worse. This is just modern people and they are in every office and every construction site.
That was a particular bad example however, most offices are not that bad.
By contrast when you work with senior management they are generally pretty focused on their own image and don't involve themselves in base conversations about sɛҳuąƖ practices and proclivities. The conversations and casual chat are never as base, not due to morality, but more due to professional courtesy and self consciousness of the image they project.
What one needs to do is look at your own sensibilities and excessive weaknesses and embark on a career where if you are naturally tempted to materialism you don't work on a trading floor of a bank. But if you're not materialistic and see money as a means to an end then working in a bank is a smart move because they are a fairly conservative and well educated lot of people and there is a lot of money sloshing around. You get paid well, just because people around you are greedy.
An ideal career path for a Trad man in my opinion provided they have the right sensibility for it is to work in a profession such as investment management or insurance or banking, telecommunications, and then become a self employed consultant once they hit their 30s and have a few years experience and 100s of contacts under their belt. You have low start up costs, you can lower your taxes in some jurisdictions, the UK is particularly good for this.
The Internet gives certain professionals the ability to work at home and do limited business travel which is a huge bonus for a husband and father of a large family. He can help his wife in all manner of ways if he is home or nearby.
You have to be able to sell yourself and find work, but those skills can be learned if you wish to learn them. It is a myth that professional selling takes a certain type of very gregarious person as an professional salesperson knows. People by from people and all you have to be is credible, knowledgable, trustworthy and memorable/likeable.
Alternatively start your own business but the options here are limited in that unlike other men you are not going to remortgage your family home and risk your family's roof, to finance the start up costs of a business, meaning you can really only consider a venture with low start up costs, something you can finance with savings, or angel capital.
The apostles went to Pagan Rome and they would have had to mix and share streets and latrines, bath houses and public buildings with prostitutes, pimps, slave owners and all times of pagan scuм. If the apostles did not find the pagan scuм of the streets of Rome jeopardised their souls sufficiently to make them want to high tail it back to some country hamlet then I would imagine most Trads could steel themselves to work in most industries most of the time and would only have to avoid working for a small minority of businesses
The alternative as you say is Trads on welfare and food stamps or working jobs that pay low incomes and using abstinence to cap their family after 5 years of marriage and 3 children and separate beds once they hit their early mid 30s.
I have seen this happening in the US and UK and as a general rule I don't think it is healthy to abstain for over a decade.
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This ggreg character never stops posting about money. How repulsive.
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Well it is what the topic is about Tele. You have posted about Mexican virgins and unrequited love when the topic is pretty much anything but that.
Careers are for men to earn money to support their families.
But I guess that isn't something you'd know much about, is it? Since you don't appear to work, are unmarried and find salted crackers expensive.
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Well it is what the topic is about Tele. You have posted about Mexican virgins and unrequited love when the topic is pretty much anything but that.
Careers are for men to earn money to support their families.
But I guess that isn't something you'd know much about, is it? Since you don't appear to work, are unmarried and find salted crackers expensive.
The point ggreg, is that your posts revolve around you spitting on people poorer than yourself.
This is why you post on these forums, to post about your money and how poor trad married men should have to abstain from sex. Something you never stop posting about. You're a sadistic, parasitic slug, and you've posted things which show you think the Catholic Faith was corrupted by Constantine, which shows that you're not even a Catholic.
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Frankly for the last 20 years [bI've had serious reservations about what has been taken from the Gospels and leveraged and what has been ignored and left out. Christianity seems to have been heavily influenced by the emperor Constatine[/b] who as far as I understand it wasn't even a converted Christian until his deathbed.
You're essentially someone who admits he has "serious reservations" about Catholicism (supposedly pertaining to the teachings regarding the virtues of poverty) but you never stop gloating about money. Gloating about money to insult other Catholic men.
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Yes I was poking fun at myself about the crackers.
If a family ate a box of crackers a day, it could easily add up to be a significant expense.
So I wondered if anyone knew how to make them.
For you it's just a pretext for insults, which again, is the reason you post on these boards, to puff yourself up.
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It's tough to be a trad Catholic today, no doubt.
However, it's always been kinda tough.
It may actually get much worse before it gets better.
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It's tough to be a trad Catholic today, no doubt.
However, it's always been kinda tough.
It may actually get much worse before it gets better.
What makes it especially tough is that there are those who purport to be Catholic that seem to get a kick out of sticking out their foot out to trip other people up.
In fact I think there's a certain type of trad for whom that is their usual behavior, and seems to take priority for them over the religion itself.
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It's tough to be a trad Catholic today, no doubt.
However, it's always been kinda tough.
It may actually get much worse before it gets better.
What makes it especially tough is that there are those who purport to be Catholic that seem to get a kick out of sticking out their foot out to trip other people up.
In fact I think there's a certain type of trad for whom that is their usual behavior, and seems to take priority for them over the religion itself.
Be on your guard, especially around bad people.
Always spend a lot of time in prayer.
Avoid sin and temptation.
Also, we can't fix other people but we can pray for them.