Author Topic: The future of Tradition (Read 9906 times)

Matthew · « **on:** October 25, 2012, 03:08:54 PM »

One of the most fascinating topics, in my opinion, is the subject of "Tradition: the next generation"

How many of today's pillars of the Traditional movement came over from the Novus Ordo at some point? How many multi-generational Trad families are there?

We talked about "success" vs "Catholic living" last week. On a related note, have you even wondered how some of today's Trads are going to be replaced?

Can they be replaced? Not really. Let me explain:

Many pillars of Tradition -- especially financially -- have such means because they chose their careers (and sometimes their WIVES' careers!) before they were traditional Catholic. And it's easy to get in a good situation financially when you only have 2 or 3 children.

How many older Catholics -- Baby Boomers for example -- do you know with large families (defined as "more than 4 children")? I'm not saying they're bad or doomed or anything like that, but it's a fact that many of today's older trad Catholics have 2-3 children. During their childbearing years, they used NFP, birth control, whatever.

It's easy to amass wealth when you don't have to use both hands -- and one foot -- to count your children.

And Baby Boomers lived in a different world, where it wasn't quite as bad to send your children to Public School. I know that my wife and I would have TONS more time to make (and save) money if our 2 oldest were gone all day to school. We'd also save on homeschooling book expenses.

How can today's 2nd or 3rd generation trads compete with this? Unless they inherit a chunk of wealth, there's NO WAY they will be in a similar position financially in 40 years.

It's not that having children is expensive, but there is SOME added expense with each additional child, and there is certainly a TIME and LOST OPPORTUNITY cost associated with taking care of a big family. I speak from experience on this.

If a 2nd generation Trad went for one of the careers these Baby Boomers have today, he'd be compromising his Faith -- which is why so few of them are willing to do it. I can't really blame them. But it is going to change the face of the Trad movement in a couple decades.

I could give you dozens of examples; this is something I'm quite confident about.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2012, 04:29:22 PM »

there are single never been married traditional Catholics who are struggling financially too. Also, it is hard for many to find a good catholic spouse.
That is a reason why so many catholics married later in life too.

Also, there are also many trad catholics who would didn't choose careers over family and wanted more then 3 children and couldn't.

Then there are traditional catholics who never used birthcontrol NFP and are struggling with infertility. How painful to attend Mass and see everyone with 7-8 children and then not even have one.

And everyone is so prolife this and pro life that and yet no one can (not even clergy) can tell the parents how or where to adopt these babies.
So how many babies are actually being saved?

They found out that Peta killed more animals then finding homes because many people were so obsessed with protesting and fundraising they forgot about the goal.

However, Catholicism as we know it might be illegal. It was liberal Jєωιѕн and catholics (Mayor Bloomberg of NYC and cardinal Dolan) who both denied Christ with the religious ban of September 11, 2012 ceremony.

It was liberal catholics, protestants and Jєωιѕн people who were delegates and they tried to deny God and remove him from the platform. They even booed God.

In a New Jersey , many of us traditional and vatican II catholics called our representatives when the state governemnt tried to do away with homeschooling. It might have been a Jєωιѕн elected official who presented the bill.. I'm not sure.

I do know that in New Jersey, that a Jєωιѕн democrat...tried to rid certain holidays like Columbus day and memorial and Irish teaching in the schools. He later died young. For once the Ancient order of hibernians did something.

Also, the New Jersey hall of fame tried to induct a cartoonist who was well known for his anti -irish cartoons during the days of anti-Catholicism in america ...

Did you know that New Jersey first Constitution discriminated against Catholics..

My ancestors who were traditional cAtholics came to this country had big families and were dirt poor and persecuted and had cross burning on their lawns.
Poor and brave German priests from philadelphia would dodge bullets and other dangers to have Mass at their home.

It was because of their Catholic Faith that pulled them through and because of their hard labors the Church was built.... then came vatican II

So we all come from "traditional" Catholicism. NOvus order this novus ordo that. Thee would never been any diocese of camden or philly if it wasn't for the real Catholics, including my own ancestors...who came from Ireland...

Pretty soon the penal laws will return. How many will take the easy way out.

In New Jersey a priest was hung for offering Mass to african americans and native Americans...Burlington county, NJ

Did you know there were riots in PHiladelphia when the know nothings were harrassing and murdering catholics..

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2012, 04:48:19 PM »

oops got off topic somehow..

these are hard times for everyone. We've had our share of hard times financially.

The Catholic faith in our house hold always came first because it is who we are.
It is what brought us together.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2012, 05:22:10 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

oops got off topic somehow..

these are hard times for everyone. We've had our share of hard times financially.

The Catholic faith in our house hold always came first because it is who we are.
It is what brought us together.

Yes, you did get way off-topic.

I would appreciate it if you -- and anyone reading this -- would please stay on-topic.

So if there's anything in Viva's post (above) that "makes you want to post" -- please start a new thread. Thank you.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2012, 05:30:17 PM »

I can comment on the first 3 lines of your post -- the ones that WERE on-topic.

I understand infertility, marrying late, etc. but that doesn't explain why 999 out of 1000 Baby Boomers have 3 or 4 children. Usually not less than 3, but usually not more than 4.

It's up there with "own your own home", "debt is no big deal", "invest in the stock market", "increase your standard of living over the years", "vacations are important" and "use credit cards" in the Baby Boomer Rule of Life handbook.

Let's dredge up my qualifications again -- I've been a trad for 3 decades. I've seen many chapels and known plenty of trads. I seldom meet large families founded by Baby Boomers. Even the "good ones" used NFP, or didn't grasp the whole CULTURAL Catholicism (as taught by the SSPX, etc.) until much later in life.

Heck, a few Baby Boomers have smaller families because of the modern epidemic of C-sections. "Trust the doctors", "Trust pharmaceuticals/pharmaceutical companies" are also tenets of Baby Boomers.

Incidentally, every tenet I listed above as being held by Baby Boomers -- I completely reject myself. Except for owning your own home, but even then I differ from them. I believe homes should NOT be paid on for 30 years. Mortgages should NOT be a fact of life.