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Offline Renzo

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The Femme Fatale
« on: January 09, 2014, 01:25:51 AM »
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  • One of america's first femme fatale films, "A Fool There Was" (1915) is based on the Rudyard Kipling poem entitled, "The Vampire."

    The Vampire

     
    by Rudyard Kipling

    The verses—as suggested by the painting by Philip Burne-Jones,
    first exhibited at the new gallery in London in 1897.

    A fool there was and he made his prayer
       (Even as you or I!)
    To a rag and a bone and a hank of hair,
    (We called her the woman who did not care),
    But the fool he called her his lady fair—
       (Even as you or I!)

    Oh, the years we waste and the tears we waste,
       And the work of our head and hand
    Belong to the woman who did not know
    (And now we know that she never could know)
       And did not understand!

    A fool there was and his goods he spent,
       (Even as you or I!)
    Honour and faith and a sure intent
    (And it wasn't the least what the lady meant),
    But a fool must follow his natural bent
       (Even as you or I!)

    Oh, the toil we lost and the spoil we lost
       And the excellent things we planned
    Belong to the woman who didn't know why
    (And now we know that she never knew why)
       And did not understand!

    The fool was stripped to his foolish hide,
       (Even as you or I!)
    Which she might have seen when she threw him aside—
    (But it isn't on record the lady tried)
    So some of him lived but the most of him died—
       (Even as you or I!)

    And it isn't the shame and it isn't the blame
       That stings like a white-hot brand—
    It's coming to know that she never knew why
    (Seeing, at last, she could never know why)
       And never could understand!

    - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/21089#sthash.SygHcFEE.dpuf
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    « Reply #1 on: January 09, 2014, 01:30:00 AM »
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  • The term "vamp" is a result of this poem and the film it inspired.  Of course, Kipling's inspiration was from the Phillip Burne Jones painting, "the vampire"


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    « Reply #2 on: January 09, 2014, 01:31:50 AM »
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  • "One traditionional view portrays the femme fatale as a sɛҳuąƖ vampire; her charms leach the virility and independence of lovers, leaving them shells of themselves."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femme_fatale
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    « Reply #3 on: January 09, 2014, 01:33:58 AM »
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  • "The femme fatale has generated divergent opinions amongst social scientists. Some relate the concept to misogyny and fear of witchcraft,[11] and to male fears of feminism.[12]"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femme_fatale
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    « Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 12:26:49 PM »
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  • Contradictions of the notions which we have accepted always carry within themselves an inherent shock value, and they provoke our interest by playing on our fears. The femme fatale is one of these contradictions, for in this character, who would otherwise appeal to our lusts, which nature uses to proliferate life, we find the contradiction of the end of proliferating life, with lusts leading to death. The death of the men who meet her speaks of a higher moral justice, one which transcends the importance of a single life, for in her actions of killing her potential mate, she has punished him for his lusts, and in this the higher morality speaks to us. Who is the source of this morality, and who sent this character to these men? In a way it is a punishment upon all men, on all those who are not accustomed to defend themselves against lust.

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    Would the same character be accepted if it was a male vampire preying upon women? Or would the fear of the audience and the reactions by men mean that such a character is rejected and the movie would fail to be popular? Would the morality of the story be sufficient to overcome the fear of the audience?
    Does the morality of justice speak to us more than fear for our personal safety?
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    « Reply #5 on: January 09, 2014, 03:48:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    Contradictions of the notions which we have accepted always carry within themselves an inherent shock value, and they provoke our interest by playing on our fears. The femme fatale is one of these contradictions, for in this character, who would otherwise appeal to our lusts, which nature uses to proliferate life, we find the contradiction of the end of proliferating life, with lusts leading to death. The death of the men who meet her speaks of a higher moral justice, one which transcends the importance of a single life, for in her actions of killing her potential mate, she has punished him for his lusts, and in this the higher morality speaks to us. Who is the source of this morality, and who sent this character to these men? In a way it is a punishment upon all men, on all those who are not accustomed to defend themselves against lust.

    Also

    Would the same character be accepted if it was a male vampire preying upon women? Or would the fear of the audience and the reactions by men mean that such a character is rejected and the movie would fail to be popular? Would the morality of the story be sufficient to overcome the fear of the audience?
    Does the morality of justice speak to us more than fear for our personal safety?
    PROFOUND THOUGHTS FOR YE.


    I don't think that's the primary message.  I think the basic message is that woman like that are dangerous and men should stay away from them, lest they be destroyed by them.  

    In regards to your second paragraph, Dracula, the male "vampire," was and still is an extremely popular character.  
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    « Reply #6 on: January 09, 2014, 08:52:04 PM »
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  • The film, "a fool there was" (1915) was very good.  

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    « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2014, 02:58:53 AM »
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  • Apparently Lou Reed wrote the song, "Femme Fatale," in response to a request from Andy Warhol, to write a song about a woman they knew named Edie Sedgwick.  The odd thing is that Lou Reed probably didn't have a problem with femme fatales, but I think he still had that old school sense of what's going on and didn't mind "calling a spade a spade."  It seems like a lot of people from his generation were like that.  Nowadays, I think a man in his position might be embarrassed to write that song, because it would smack of "misogyny."
     
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    « Reply #8 on: January 14, 2014, 02:06:07 PM »
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  • Alice Cooper wrote a song about the femme fatale called, "poison."  At the end of the music video, you see he's finally broken free of her, by "poisoning" her.  It seems as if the term poison is just an analogy for obsession.  It's interesting though that it is resolved in the video by turning the tables on her.  

    This obsession seems like it is little more than making a "church" out of someone.  In that sense, the femme fatale seems like a nightmarish type of church and her victim seems like a horribly distorted type of "christ."  Like in alice cooper's video, he's trapped in a spider web and then she comes and feeds on him, like a vampire or big spider, literally drinking his blood and perhaps, consuming his flesh.  

    I can't see how the similarity here to the holy mass, isn't deliberate and real!  He becomes her sacrifice, which she devours and she's insatiable, because she's just feeding her own pride!  Of course, our virtuous desire for the holy mass is also continuous, but not in the same way.  It is truly satisfying, but I think you have to experience that, to understand it, but then again, you can learn from the example of others and save yourself a lot of pain and misery!  

    So, the femme fatale and her victim seem lost.  Even if he succeeds in turning the tables on her, he still remains lost, but perhaps the temporal consequences for him will be lessened, while the consequences in purgatory or hell may be increased.  
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