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« on: August 11, 2015, 11:12:59 PM »
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  • Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has described abortion as “a uniquely wicked act” which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds.

    In a column for his archdiocesan newspaper, Archbishop Chaput expresses his approval for the “seamless garment” approach popularized by the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. Citing a statement by the US bishops, he says: “Opposition to abortion and euthanasia does not excuse indifference to those who suffer from poverty, violence and injustice.”

    Nevertheless the archbishop insists that moral distinctions remain among different offenses against human dignity. “Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community,” he says.

    “No amount of contextualizing or deflecting our attention to other issues can obscure” the intrinsic evil of abortion, Archbishop Chaput writes.

    The archbishop’s statement, written in response to the effort to stop taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, contrasts with an earlier statement by Chicago’s Archbishop Blaise Cupich, who said:


    While commerce in the remains of defenseless children is particularly repulsive, we should be no less appalled by the indifference toward the thousands of people who die daily for lack of decent medical care; who are denied rights by a broken immigration system and by racism; who suffer in hunger, joblessness and want; who pay the price of violence in gun-saturated neighborhoods; or who are executed by the state in the name of justice.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25793


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    « Reply #1 on: August 11, 2015, 11:18:00 PM »
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  • Liberal/modernist mish-mash.   :barf:


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    « Reply #2 on: August 11, 2015, 11:47:39 PM »
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    Are you saying that because you think Archbishop Chaput is wrong in his assesment that abortion is "uniquely wicked."

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    « Reply #3 on: August 12, 2015, 12:20:49 AM »
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    Are you saying that because you think Archbishop Chaput is wrong in his assesment that abortion is "uniquely wicked."


    I say that because he, too, views those who don't want to hurl $$$ at degenerates as evil, and a level of evil worth mentioning in the same conversations as abortion.  His statement does not "contrast with" that of the other Archbishop--he's saying the same thing in a less bold manner.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 12, 2015, 04:23:35 PM »
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  • IF Archbishop Chaput states that Abortion is evil, then why does Philadelphia dioceses support "highly" Catholic Charities"  that we all know support  abortions with the parishioners money!

    The dioceses throughout the nation and world support abortion even in Catholic Relief services.  Teens are given prevention pregnancy courses that are secular.
    They do not speak of the sacraments to give them power to say "no", to abstain.  No God is mentioned.  This is the case many times, because the New Order supports the State and Gov't and not the salvation of souls, like those innocent being murdered!


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    « Reply #5 on: August 12, 2015, 11:09:04 PM »
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  • I would like to see Lifesite.news and other so-called pro-life organizations speak more on the issue of dioceses (bishops) supporting, paying into abortion and more immoralities!  This is so sad!  Without the True Mass, we get that much less to combat abortion.  The death is the soul!  These Bishops and Archbishops, and clergy who speak out against abortion, are putting on a dog and pony show!  They say one thing and do just the opposite.  These clergy want to look like they are pro-life and keep a sweet image.  The Proof and Truth is where the money is and goes!

    the reason why they won't is because they are New Order and support New Order.  Now who can we go to, to speak out!?

    The power is still in the Precious Blood!  There is no chance for boycotts or such is there? It used to be at one time, but is no longer.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 12:04:22 AM »
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  • What Archbishop Chaput says coincides with the Tradition of the Catholic Church. For example, the 1917 Code of Canon Law placed an automatic excommunicatioin for a procured abortion. This excommunication does not apply only to the woman who has the procedure done on her, it also applies to the doector who performs the procedure. It applies to the nurse who assists the doctor perfoming the procedure. If someone else knowingly pays for the procedure then that person is also excommunicated, as is the person who knowingly provides transportation to the place of the procedure. Anyone who knowingly particitpated in any way is excommunicated from the Church according to the 1917 code of Canon Law.
    The gravity of the procured abortion is such that he 1983 Code of Canon Law also contains the sentence of automatic excommunication under the same conditions as the 1917 Code of Canon Law.      

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    « Reply #7 on: August 13, 2015, 07:36:51 AM »
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    The gravity of the procured abortion is such that he 1983 Code of Canon Law also contains the sentence of automatic excommunication under the same conditions as the 1917 Code of Canon Law.      


    I always wondered why Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ was treated differently under the "1983 Code of Canon Law."  Insignificant gravity I suppose.  [Sarcasm]

    All I know for sure is that if you're not passing out water bottles & care packages to scuм, you are the problem--not the solution.  [Sarcasm]


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    « Reply #8 on: August 13, 2015, 12:44:54 PM »
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    Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has described abortion as “a uniquely wicked act” which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds.

    In a column for his archdiocesan newspaper, Archbishop Chaput expresses his approval for the “seamless garment” approach popularized by the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. Citing a statement by the US bishops, he says: “Opposition to abortion and euthanasia does not excuse indifference to those who suffer from poverty, violence and injustice.”

    Nevertheless the archbishop insists that moral distinctions remain among different offenses against human dignity. “Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community,” he says.

    “No amount of contextualizing or deflecting our attention to other issues can obscure” the intrinsic evil of abortion, Archbishop Chaput writes.

    The archbishop’s statement, written in response to the effort to stop taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, contrasts with an earlier statement by Chicago’s Archbishop Blaise Cupich, who said:


    While commerce in the remains of defenseless children is particularly repulsive, we should be no less appalled by the indifference toward the thousands of people who die daily for lack of decent medical care; who are denied rights by a broken immigration system and by racism; who suffer in hunger, joblessness and want; who pay the price of violence in gun-saturated neighborhoods; or who are executed by the state in the name of justice.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25793


    Chaput is a typical neocath "conservative" who likes his Truth commingled with Error and vice versa. That explains why Poche likes him so much.

    He calls abortion a "uniquely wicked act," "which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," then he starts talking out of the other side of his mouth (as all these Janus-faced "conservatives" are wont to do) and offers his "approval" to that brainchild of the (very) uniquely wicked Joseph Bernardin (of unhappy memory) known deceptively (perhaps blasphemously) as the "Seamless Garment," which is itself a codification of making abortion "morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," and even with a perfectly morally defensible "deed" like Capital Punishment.

    Every Catholic above the Age of Reason used to know what the Four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance are - Murder, Sodomy, Oppression of the Poor, and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages. If these empurpled capitulators would actually start teaching the Catholic Faith whole and inviolate for a change, distinction-muddling Modernist mush like the "Seamless Garment" would never even leave the drawing board, and the milquetoast "conservative" doubletalkers like Chaput wouldn't have to perform semantic gymnastics making distinctions on the one hand, and paying lipservice to distinctionless novelties on the other.

    At least the sod-enabling heretic Cupich is consistent in his support of his sod-enabling heretic predecessor Bernardin's doctrine of Moral Indifference. But they're all spineless Americanist cowards, almost to a man. I can't think of a single Catholic among them; they're all "conservatives" and "liberals" now; publicly sparring with talking points but nonetheless "agreeing to disagree" like the cheap politicians they are, all while immemorial Catholic Teaching and Dogma goes untaught and unenforced.

    John Courtney Murray, SJ; CIA would be proud.


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    « Reply #9 on: August 13, 2015, 01:11:31 PM »
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    I would like to see Lifesite.news and other so-called pro-life organizations speak more on the issue of dioceses (bishops) supporting, paying into abortion and more immoralities!  This is so sad!  Without the True Mass, we get that much less to combat abortion.  The death is the soul!  These Bishops and Archbishops, and clergy who speak out against abortion, are putting on a dog and pony show!  They say one thing and do just the opposite.  These clergy want to look like they are pro-life and keep a sweet image.  The Proof and Truth is where the money is and goes!

    the reason why they won't is because they are New Order and support New Order.  Now who can we go to, to speak out!?

    The power is still in the Precious Blood!  There is no chance for boycotts or such is there? It used to be at one time, but is no longer.


    They could start by calling for penalties for women who have had abortions and those who assist. Kermit Gosnel is the boogie man while Abby Johnson is a pro-life celebrity!  Rejecting feminism would be another good start. They are a reflection of the typical Christian with conservative beliefs until it conflicts with upper middle class values.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 13, 2015, 07:40:25 PM »
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  • The Latest from Lifesite.news:  Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Springfield, IL is "shocked and appalled" over the abortion videos!  On their dioceses web site join them for a Spaghetti dinner Sept. 13, 2015 with the help of the K of C.  adults $7 and children $5.  This is all for Catholic Charities?!  Those who support abortion.  Your hard $'s at work here for abortion.

    And Bishop Richard Stika of Nashville:  This dioceses state on their web site that Catholic Charities (money) enhances and enriches quality of life.  And again Catholic Charities gives to support abortion.

    Bishops geting publicity and stating how awful abortion is and what is going on behind that curtain!? They know what they are doing!  

    How many will show up at the annual Spaghetti dinner and say hello to the K of C?


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    « Reply #11 on: August 13, 2015, 11:36:31 PM »
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    Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has described abortion as “a uniquely wicked act” which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds.

    In a column for his archdiocesan newspaper, Archbishop Chaput expresses his approval for the “seamless garment” approach popularized by the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. Citing a statement by the US bishops, he says: “Opposition to abortion and euthanasia does not excuse indifference to those who suffer from poverty, violence and injustice.”

    Nevertheless the archbishop insists that moral distinctions remain among different offenses against human dignity. “Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community,” he says.

    “No amount of contextualizing or deflecting our attention to other issues can obscure” the intrinsic evil of abortion, Archbishop Chaput writes.

    The archbishop’s statement, written in response to the effort to stop taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, contrasts with an earlier statement by Chicago’s Archbishop Blaise Cupich, who said:


    While commerce in the remains of defenseless children is particularly repulsive, we should be no less appalled by the indifference toward the thousands of people who die daily for lack of decent medical care; who are denied rights by a broken immigration system and by racism; who suffer in hunger, joblessness and want; who pay the price of violence in gun-saturated neighborhoods; or who are executed by the state in the name of justice.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25793


    Chaput is a typical neocath "conservative" who likes his Truth commingled with Error and vice versa. That explains why Poche likes him so much.

    He calls abortion a "uniquely wicked act," "which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," then he starts talking out of the other side of his mouth (as all these Janus-faced "conservatives" are wont to do) and offers his "approval" to that brainchild of the (very) uniquely wicked Joseph Bernardin (of unhappy memory) known deceptively (perhaps blasphemously) as the "Seamless Garment," which is itself a codification of making abortion "morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," and even with a perfectly morally defensible "deed" like Capital Punishment.

    Every Catholic above the Age of Reason used to know what the Four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance are - Murder, Sodomy, Oppression of the Poor, and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages. If these empurpled capitulators would actually start teaching the Catholic Faith whole and inviolate for a change, distinction-muddling Modernist mush like the "Seamless Garment" would never even leave the drawing board, and the milquetoast "conservative" doubletalkers like Chaput wouldn't have to perform semantic gymnastics making distinctions on the one hand, and paying lipservice to distinctionless novelties on the other.

    At least the sod-enabling heretic Cupich is consistent in his support of his sod-enabling heretic predecessor Bernardin's doctrine of Moral Indifference. But they're all spineless Americanist cowards, almost to a man. I can't think of a single Catholic among them; they're all "conservatives" and "liberals" now; publicly sparring with talking points but nonetheless "agreeing to disagree" like the cheap politicians they are, all while immemorial Catholic Teaching and Dogma goes untaught and unenforced.

    John Courtney Murray, SJ; CIA would be proud.


    I notice that you recognize that oppressing the poor and defrauding the laboror of his wages are sins that cry out to Heaven for vengance. Pope Francis also speaks against those two evils.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 15, 2015, 09:41:16 AM »
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    Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has described abortion as “a uniquely wicked act” which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds.

    In a column for his archdiocesan newspaper, Archbishop Chaput expresses his approval for the “seamless garment” approach popularized by the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. Citing a statement by the US bishops, he says: “Opposition to abortion and euthanasia does not excuse indifference to those who suffer from poverty, violence and injustice.”

    Nevertheless the archbishop insists that moral distinctions remain among different offenses against human dignity. “Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community,” he says.

    “No amount of contextualizing or deflecting our attention to other issues can obscure” the intrinsic evil of abortion, Archbishop Chaput writes.

    The archbishop’s statement, written in response to the effort to stop taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, contrasts with an earlier statement by Chicago’s Archbishop Blaise Cupich, who said:


    While commerce in the remains of defenseless children is particularly repulsive, we should be no less appalled by the indifference toward the thousands of people who die daily for lack of decent medical care; who are denied rights by a broken immigration system and by racism; who suffer in hunger, joblessness and want; who pay the price of violence in gun-saturated neighborhoods; or who are executed by the state in the name of justice.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25793


    Chaput is a typical neocath "conservative" who likes his Truth commingled with Error and vice versa. That explains why Poche likes him so much.

    He calls abortion a "uniquely wicked act," "which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," then he starts talking out of the other side of his mouth (as all these Janus-faced "conservatives" are wont to do) and offers his "approval" to that brainchild of the (very) uniquely wicked Joseph Bernardin (of unhappy memory) known deceptively (perhaps blasphemously) as the "Seamless Garment," which is itself a codification of making abortion "morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," and even with a perfectly morally defensible "deed" like Capital Punishment.

    Every Catholic above the Age of Reason used to know what the Four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance are - Murder, Sodomy, Oppression of the Poor, and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages. If these empurpled capitulators would actually start teaching the Catholic Faith whole and inviolate for a change, distinction-muddling Modernist mush like the "Seamless Garment" would never even leave the drawing board, and the milquetoast "conservative" doubletalkers like Chaput wouldn't have to perform semantic gymnastics making distinctions on the one hand, and paying lipservice to distinctionless novelties on the other.

    At least the sod-enabling heretic Cupich is consistent in his support of his sod-enabling heretic predecessor Bernardin's doctrine of Moral Indifference. But they're all spineless Americanist cowards, almost to a man. I can't think of a single Catholic among them; they're all "conservatives" and "liberals" now; publicly sparring with talking points but nonetheless "agreeing to disagree" like the cheap politicians they are, all while immemorial Catholic Teaching and Dogma goes untaught and unenforced.

    John Courtney Murray, SJ; CIA would be proud.


    I notice that you recognize that oppressing the poor and defrauding the laboror of his wages are sins that cry out to Heaven for vengance. Pope Francis also speaks against those two evils.


    But from a Marxist standpoint, not a Catholic one. Better that he not open his mouth at all if he's going to sound more like Che Guevara than Leo XIII.

    Furthermore, Oppression of the Poor and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages are the third and fourth on that list - the big two - Murder and Sodomy - are the worst of the bunch, and Francis has been worse than silent on these subjects of abortion and fαɢɢօtry - he has tacitly endorsed them by saying that Catholics are "obsessed" with the former, and claiming "who am I to judge" about the latter.

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    Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has described abortion as “a uniquely wicked act” which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds.

    In a column for his archdiocesan newspaper, Archbishop Chaput expresses his approval for the “seamless garment” approach popularized by the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. Citing a statement by the US bishops, he says: “Opposition to abortion and euthanasia does not excuse indifference to those who suffer from poverty, violence and injustice.”

    Nevertheless the archbishop insists that moral distinctions remain among different offenses against human dignity. “Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community,” he says.

    “No amount of contextualizing or deflecting our attention to other issues can obscure” the intrinsic evil of abortion, Archbishop Chaput writes.

    The archbishop’s statement, written in response to the effort to stop taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, contrasts with an earlier statement by Chicago’s Archbishop Blaise Cupich, who said:


    While commerce in the remains of defenseless children is particularly repulsive, we should be no less appalled by the indifference toward the thousands of people who die daily for lack of decent medical care; who are denied rights by a broken immigration system and by racism; who suffer in hunger, joblessness and want; who pay the price of violence in gun-saturated neighborhoods; or who are executed by the state in the name of justice.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25793


    Chaput is a typical neocath "conservative" who likes his Truth commingled with Error and vice versa. That explains why Poche likes him so much.

    He calls abortion a "uniquely wicked act," "which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," then he starts talking out of the other side of his mouth (as all these Janus-faced "conservatives" are wont to do) and offers his "approval" to that brainchild of the (very) uniquely wicked Joseph Bernardin (of unhappy memory) known deceptively (perhaps blasphemously) as the "Seamless Garment," which is itself a codification of making abortion "morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," and even with a perfectly morally defensible "deed" like Capital Punishment.

    Every Catholic above the Age of Reason used to know what the Four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance are - Murder, Sodomy, Oppression of the Poor, and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages. If these empurpled capitulators would actually start teaching the Catholic Faith whole and inviolate for a change, distinction-muddling Modernist mush like the "Seamless Garment" would never even leave the drawing board, and the milquetoast "conservative" doubletalkers like Chaput wouldn't have to perform semantic gymnastics making distinctions on the one hand, and paying lipservice to distinctionless novelties on the other.

    At least the sod-enabling heretic Cupich is consistent in his support of his sod-enabling heretic predecessor Bernardin's doctrine of Moral Indifference. But they're all spineless Americanist cowards, almost to a man. I can't think of a single Catholic among them; they're all "conservatives" and "liberals" now; publicly sparring with talking points but nonetheless "agreeing to disagree" like the cheap politicians they are, all while immemorial Catholic Teaching and Dogma goes untaught and unenforced.

    John Courtney Murray, SJ; CIA would be proud.


    I notice that you recognize that oppressing the poor and defrauding the laboror of his wages are sins that cry out to Heaven for vengance. Pope Francis also speaks against those two evils.


    But from a Marxist standpoint, not a Catholic one. Better that he not open his mouth at all if he's going to sound more like Che Guevara than Leo XIII.

    Furthermore, Oppression of the Poor and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages are the third and fourth on that list - the big two - Murder and Sodomy - are the worst of the bunch, and Francis has been worse than silent on these subjects of abortion and fαɢɢօtry - he has tacitly endorsed them by saying that Catholics are "obsessed" with the former, and claiming "who am I to judge" about the latter.


    Actually he explicitly condemned abortion and transgenderism by name in Laudatio Si.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 20, 2015, 12:30:31 PM »
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    Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia has described abortion as “a uniquely wicked act” which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds.

    In a column for his archdiocesan newspaper, Archbishop Chaput expresses his approval for the “seamless garment” approach popularized by the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. Citing a statement by the US bishops, he says: “Opposition to abortion and euthanasia does not excuse indifference to those who suffer from poverty, violence and injustice.”

    Nevertheless the archbishop insists that moral distinctions remain among different offenses against human dignity. “Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community,” he says.

    “No amount of contextualizing or deflecting our attention to other issues can obscure” the intrinsic evil of abortion, Archbishop Chaput writes.

    The archbishop’s statement, written in response to the effort to stop taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, contrasts with an earlier statement by Chicago’s Archbishop Blaise Cupich, who said:


    While commerce in the remains of defenseless children is particularly repulsive, we should be no less appalled by the indifference toward the thousands of people who die daily for lack of decent medical care; who are denied rights by a broken immigration system and by racism; who suffer in hunger, joblessness and want; who pay the price of violence in gun-saturated neighborhoods; or who are executed by the state in the name of justice.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25793


    Chaput is a typical neocath "conservative" who likes his Truth commingled with Error and vice versa. That explains why Poche likes him so much.

    He calls abortion a "uniquely wicked act," "which cannot be described as morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," then he starts talking out of the other side of his mouth (as all these Janus-faced "conservatives" are wont to do) and offers his "approval" to that brainchild of the (very) uniquely wicked Joseph Bernardin (of unhappy memory) known deceptively (perhaps blasphemously) as the "Seamless Garment," which is itself a codification of making abortion "morally equivalent to other sinful deeds," and even with a perfectly morally defensible "deed" like Capital Punishment.

    Every Catholic above the Age of Reason used to know what the Four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance are - Murder, Sodomy, Oppression of the Poor, and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages. If these empurpled capitulators would actually start teaching the Catholic Faith whole and inviolate for a change, distinction-muddling Modernist mush like the "Seamless Garment" would never even leave the drawing board, and the milquetoast "conservative" doubletalkers like Chaput wouldn't have to perform semantic gymnastics making distinctions on the one hand, and paying lipservice to distinctionless novelties on the other.

    At least the sod-enabling heretic Cupich is consistent in his support of his sod-enabling heretic predecessor Bernardin's doctrine of Moral Indifference. But they're all spineless Americanist cowards, almost to a man. I can't think of a single Catholic among them; they're all "conservatives" and "liberals" now; publicly sparring with talking points but nonetheless "agreeing to disagree" like the cheap politicians they are, all while immemorial Catholic Teaching and Dogma goes untaught and unenforced.

    John Courtney Murray, SJ; CIA would be proud.


    I notice that you recognize that oppressing the poor and defrauding the laboror of his wages are sins that cry out to Heaven for vengance. Pope Francis also speaks against those two evils.


    But from a Marxist standpoint, not a Catholic one. Better that he not open his mouth at all if he's going to sound more like Che Guevara than Leo XIII.

    Furthermore, Oppression of the Poor and Defrauding the Laborer of his Wages are the third and fourth on that list - the big two - Murder and Sodomy - are the worst of the bunch, and Francis has been worse than silent on these subjects of abortion and fαɢɢօtry - he has tacitly endorsed them by saying that Catholics are "obsessed" with the former, and claiming "who am I to judge" about the latter.


    Actually he explicitly condemned abortion and transgenderism by name in Laudatio Si.


    Oh so then, taking a cue from the Vatican II docuмents, he talks out of both sides of his mouth?

    Quote from: Every third line in every Vatican II docuмent


    "Although it is true that... / Nevertheless we must..."


    He said Catholics are "obsessed" about Sodomy and abortion, Poche. And he said "Youth Unemplyment" is the greatest evil in the world today.

    What's your spin on that?