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Re: The Coyote Saint
« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2018, 07:34:14 PM »
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  • There is no equating the Holy Family to (at the end of the day) criminals who cross borders. Ever. 

    Shame on you, Poche. Go vote for Beto O'Rourke or something.

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    « Reply #76 on: July 21, 2018, 10:40:16 PM »
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  • You said that they broke immigration laws. What laws were those exactly? Please be specific.
    Illegal entry
    Entry while being pursued by the police
    Entry without a visa
     


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    « Reply #77 on: July 21, 2018, 10:47:48 PM »
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  • How low you sink to equate the Holy Family to the brown hoardes of financial opportunists invading the Christian world today.
    Our country is sinking under the weight of the financial burden and the rampant crime which these aliens who have no reasonable right or reason to be here, bring with them, and you would have the saints be in league with them.
    You are definitely a member of Francis's church of Man.
    That is what some of the pagan Egyptians were saying. They were saying that their country is sinking under the weight of the financial burden and the rampant crime which these aliens who have no reasonable right or reason to be here, bring with them.
    That the saints would be helping them is because Mary and Joseph remember what it was to have to cross a barren desert.

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #78 on: July 21, 2018, 11:01:16 PM »
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  • http://capstonereport.com/2018/02/12/jesus-not-illegal-immigrant-refugee/31913/

    Jesus was not an illegal immigrant or refugee
    image: http://capstonereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Merson_Rest_on_the_Flight_into_Egypt.jpg


    Jesus was not an “illegal immigrant” nor “refugee” as many Progressive Christians like Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) claim. The use of such terms on a world of pre-modern states before the rise of nationalism is likely an abuse of hermeneutics by applying contemporary terms on the ancient world. However, if we are to apply such terms, we should make sure to apply the terms accurately. Both the terms “illegal immigrant” and “refugee” have specific meanings for scholars of International Law and Political Science—definitions which clearly do not fit Jesus or his parents. This essay briefly defines the legal terms and the historical situation in Judaea, Galilee and Egypt during the life of Jesus Christ. Applying the modern terms, we find that Jesus would be the modern equivalent of a Roman national moving between Roman provinces, and thus not fitting either refugee or immigrant categories. First, the genesis of the controversy.

    The biblical data regarding the flight into Egypt provides the context for the claims about Jesus. “After they were gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, ‘Get up! Take the child and his mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I tell you. For Herod is about to search for the child to kill him.’ 14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night, and escaped to Egypt. 15 He stayed there until Herod’s death, so that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet might be fulfilled: Out of Egypt I called my Son.”[1]

    Liberals claim this makes Jesus an “illegal immigrant” or “refugee.” Representative of these assertions are two separate offerings by Dr. Russell Moore. Moore claimed, Jesus lived as a “refugee in a foreign land, a land long hostile to his own.”[2] On a blog post, Moore claimed, “It’s horrifying to hear those identified with the gospel speak, whatever their position on the issues, with mean-spirited disdain for the immigrants themselves. This is a gospel issue. First of all, our Lord Jesus himself was a so-called ‘illegal immigrant.’ Fleeing, like many of those in our country right now, a brutal political situation, our Lord’s parents sojourned with him in Egypt (Matt. 2:13-23). Jesus, who lived out his life for us, spent his childhood years in a foreign land away from his relatives among people speaking a different language with strange customs.”[3]

    Dr. Norman L. Geisler pointed out the Bible was a “prescientific” collection of writings, and a book written for every generation.  He cautioned against anachronistically imposing “modern scientific standards upon them.” (See: Are There Any Errors in The Bible?) It would likewise seem reasonable when dealing with pre-modern states and a multi-ethnic empire not to apply legal terms and standards arising out of our modern, post-Westphalian system.
    Nonetheless, our progressive friends have done this, and it requires a careful examination of the terms and the political situation of the New Testament.

    Was Jesus a refugee? Was Jesus an ‘illegal immigrant?’

    There are many helpful things to keep in mind when discussing modern immigration and the ancient world. First, immigrant is best defined as an alien seeking entry to another state, where alien is defined by the United States Department of Homeland Security as “any person not a citizen or national of the United States.” Second, not everyone living in a state is a citizen of the state. This was true in antiquity and is even true in modern times. For the purposes of international law, these are typically defined as nationals. The 1948 UN Declaration of Human Rights declares, “Everyone has a right to a nationality.” According to one textbook legal case, “Nationality serves above all to determine the person upon whom it is conferred enjoys the rights and is bound by the obligations which the law of the State in question grants to or imposes on its nationals.”[4]

    In essence, to be a national of a state is to be born under the sovereign jurisdiction of a power (this is obtained via either ius sanguinis or ius soli as determined by the law.)

    Or, in the post-Westphalian world, nationality “was essentially a method of classification between those who owed allegiance and those who did not to a particular sovereign.”[5]

    The IRS defines an American national as, “An individual who owes his sole allegiance to the United States, including all U.S. citizens, and including some individuals who are not U.S. citizens. For tax purposes the term ‘U.S. national’ refers to individuals who were born in American Samoa or were born in the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands who have made the election to be treated as U.S. nationals and not as U.S. citizens.”  An alien, then is defined by the IRS in the same manner as the above DHS, “An individual who is not a U.S. citizen or U.S. national.”

    A refugee is defined legally by international treaties. The best definition in International Law would be the United Nations Protocol on The Treatment of Refugees ratified by 146 countries in 1967. The Treaty declares a refugee to be a person, “owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.” (Read The Treaty Text).

    Key to this definition of refugee is “country of nationality.” A refugee is someone who must flee their country of nationality over persecution. It is important to remember that a person can be a national of a country and not a citizen as we noted in the IRS publication regarding current American law.

    Due to the political situation at the time of Christ, moving from Bethlehem to Aegyptus would not make Jesus a refugee.  Jesus was born a common provincial or a peregrinus[6] within the authority of the Roman Empire. Jesus would have been the modern equivalent of a Roman National; he was under the sovereign control of Rome but was not a citizen of the state. The peregrini were persons not subject to the Roman civil law, but when under Roman authority were judged by the general law or what came to be viewed as the natural law.

    “Since the civil law of Rome could not be applied to noncitizens of Rome, the praetor peregrinus took to deciding these cases on the basis of what might be called general principles of law. That entailed the identification of rules that were common to states in general (or at least were thought to be). Once these were identified, they would be applied to the dispute at hand. This corpus of common or general rules of law, emerging from the adjudications of the praetor peregrinus, became the ius gentium —the law of peoples in general.”[7]

    The political situation in Judaea at the birth of Jesus

    Professor A.N. Sherwin-White noted a “tendency” on the part of everyone from scholars to the public to treat Judaea as something outside the Roman Empire.[8] Perhaps, this results from the use of client kingdoms and odd quirks or Roman terminology, but in any case, Sherwin-White explained that Judaea met key tests for being part of the Roman Empire: “permanent military occupation, regular taxation and Roman supervision of public order.”[9]


    The permanent military occupation began after Pompey’s campaign in Asia around 63 B.C. At that time, “Pompey intervened in a cινιℓ ωαr in Judea between Hyrcanus and Aristobulus; his brief campaign against the latter culminated in a three-month siege of the temple in Jerusalem and its capture.”[10] Roughly, the province of Judea, “included the territories of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Dan, Simeon, and part of Ephraim. Under the Romans it was a part of the province of Syria, and was governed by a procurator.”[11] This would include Bethlehem and Jerusalem.

    Rome dealt with Judaea by installing client rulers. This was not unusual for Rome. “Client kings played their part in the process of romanisation for, Tacitus wrote, it was a very old Roman tradition to use even kings as instruments in the imposition of slavery, ‘ut habret instrumenta servitutis et reges.'”  (From Tacitus, Agr 14, 2).[12] The settlement of how to treat a newly conquered province rested with the conqueror, in the case of Judaea that was Pompey, and was submitted to the the Roman Senate or people for ratification via a lex provinciae.[13] According to one commentary on Matthew, “Herod is king only because it pleases the Romans to have him rule over this troublesome region peopled by the equally troubling Judeans. Herod is a pawn used by Rome to maintain order useful to Rome. Jesus is born in an occupied land, a small outpost, on the edge of a mighty empire.”[14]

    The usefulness for Rome was a strong leader and help in the Parthian War (see Josephus, Wars of the Jews 1.14.4). Herod’s loyalty to Rome was absolute, according to scholars, “The rise to power of both Antipater and Herod was predicated first and foremost on their unswerving loyalty to Rome. Both father and son were convinced that, following the conquest of Judea by Pompey in 63 b.c.e., nothing could be achieved without the consent and aid of Rome. This principle was inviolable, and it guided their actions under all circuмstances and at any price.”[15]

    At the time of Christ’s birth, the Gospel of Luke declares that Jesus and his parents were under Roman jurisdiction. “There went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed” (Luke 2:1).  According to Schaff, this was a “head-tax” applicable to everyone in the Roman Empire who was female over the age of 12 and male over the age of 14. Stein in his Commentary on Luke points out two interesting points: that Jews were exempt from military service, but not from taxes. The fact that Jews were dependent on Rome for security and subject to taxation are important facts to establish the subjugation of the region to Roman political authority.

    Chrysostom points out that it was difficult to leave home, but Jesus and his parents found a welcoming land of safety, “Isn’t this remarkable: While Palestine plots, it is Egypt that receives and preserves the One for whom the plots are designed! This is reminiscent of the patriarch Jacob, who also sought succor in Egypt, anticipating the coming of our Lord.”[16] Alexandria was a major location of Jєωιѕн settlement in Egypt, but it was by no means the only one as the collapse of the Jєωιѕн state detailed in Jeremiah revealed. “The narrative in Jeremiah states definitely that the large proportion of those who had rallied about Gedaliah after his death found a temporary asylum on the eastern borders of Egypt.”[17] This included the locations of Tahpanhes and Migdol, but there were other Jєωιѕн settlements know to Jeremiah and Ezekiel including the Jews at Memphis and Pathros. .[18]
    When Mary, Joseph and Jesus fled Herod, they fled into another Roman province—Egypt, or as the Romans called it Aegyptus. Aegyptus was a province personally controlled by Augustus and administered on Caesar’s behalf by an appointed Praefectus Augustalis. With both provinces under Roman administration, and with a long history of Jєωιѕн settlement in Egypt (and likely the translation of the Hebrew scriptures into the Greek Septuagint happened in Egypt), it would appear to make the move of Jesus from Bethlehem to Egypt analogous to moving between parts of the European Union, such as moving from Poland to Portugal. It is worth noting both Judaea and Egypt were under Roman military occupation, subject to Roman tax policy and supervision of public order—all tests Prof. Sherwin-White identified as critical for determining status as a Roman subject.

    Christians should hold progressives accountable for their misuse and abuse of the Gospel narratives to further their political agenda. Progressives like Dr. Moore and others use biblical, historical and political ignorance to promote their policies. Christians should reject such worldly and inappropriate use of the biblical narratives.

    Simply, Jesus was not an illegal immigrant nor was Jesus a refugee.

    Read more at http://capstonereport.com/2018/02/12/jesus-not-illegal-immigrant-refugee/31913/#vmvoTxiVgygsQtbr.99
    The Jews in Egypt were considered to be foreigners in the land. Sometimes they were tolerated and sometimes massacred. Let us review what is found in Sacred Scriptures in the Gospel of Matthew;
    13 After they had left, suddenly the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, 'Get up, take the child and his mother with you, and escape into Egypt, and stay there until I tell you, because Herod intends to search for the child and do away with him.'
    14 So Joseph got up and, taking the child and his mother with him, left that night for Egypt,
    15 where he stayed until Herod was dead. This was to fulfil what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: I called my son out of Egypt.
    16 Herod was furious on realising that he had been fooled by the wise men, and in Bethlehem and its surrounding district he had all the male children killed who were two years old or less, reckoning by the date he had been careful to ask the wise men.
    17 Then were fulfilled the words spoken through the prophet Jeremiah:
    18 A voice is heard in Ramah, lamenting and weeping bitterly: it is Rachel weeping for her children, refusing to be comforted because they are no more.

    https://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=47&bible_chapter=2

    How does this not make Jesus, Mary, and Joseph refugees in search of some kind of asylum?

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #79 on: July 21, 2018, 11:02:48 PM »
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  • Ah yes, the big bad Trump, who won't go along with the One Worlder (Globalist) goal of one world, one government, one race, one currency, one ecuмenical, man-made religion (hint: not the Catholic religion), etc.

    You would be in agreement with all the droves of Hispanic voters who voted for Hillary, for "immigration justice" over more important issues like abortion, the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ agenda, and countless other moral evils.

    In fact, the way you talk about Trump in a negative light, I have to wonder if you didn't vote for Hillary the Demonic yourself!

    The whole idea that everyone has a right to come into this particular country, circuмventing Immigration and any laws to regulate it, is ridiculous. If God meant for everyone to come to the USA, He would have made them all born here!
    We're having a miniature version of this happening within the USA itself: everyone is moving to Texas, because it has the best economy. But WHY does it have the best economy?

    It's the existing culture that you find (found?) here:

    - Christian decency, courtesy to others
    - self sufficiency
    - hard work
    - common sense
    - down to earth (two bulls can't make a baby)
    - Republican (as opposed to democrat)
    - Closely related to the previous, very business-friendly and low-taxation, smaller government
    - No income tax

    So what happens? We're the last one standing, economy-wise, and now all the lib-tards in California, Illinois, and other liberal failed states want to move here. But here's the problem: They're going to bring with them all the liberalism, liberal beliefs, and problems that come with putting those beliefs into practice -- which turned their own states into so many shitholes, and since they can vote here, they're naturally going to turn Texas into another shithole.

    I can see the argument for limiting immigration.
    I didn't vote for Hillary.


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #80 on: July 21, 2018, 11:07:32 PM »
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  • There is no equating the Holy Family to (at the end of the day) criminals who cross borders. Ever.

    Shame on you, Poche. Go vote for Beto O'Rourke or something.
    I don't know who this Beto O'Rourke is

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #81 on: July 22, 2018, 12:42:22 AM »
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    I don't know who this Beto O'Rourke is
    The Democrat who thinks he can replace Ted Cruz in Texas in the race for Senate.

    Heavily pro-illegal immigration for some reason. The man's name is Robert Francis O'Rourke and he acts like he was born at a quinceañera. Speaks perfect Spanish and has rallies near the border with a Spanish nickname. Born and raised in El Paso, so that's probably why.

    He would be your perfect cup of liberal snowflake tea with a side of a transgender scone and a picture of Hillary Clinton somewhere.

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    « Reply #82 on: July 22, 2018, 02:32:25 AM »
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  • The Democrat who thinks he can replace Ted Cruz in Texas in the race for Senate.

    Heavily pro-illegal immigration for some reason. The man's name is Robert Francis O'Rourke and he acts like he was born at a quinceañera. Speaks perfect Spanish and has rallies near the border with a Spanish nickname. Born and raised in El Paso, so that's probably why.

    He would be your perfect cup of liberal snowflake tea with a side of a transgender scone and a picture of Hillary Clinton somewhere.
    Is he anything like General O'Reilly or O'higgins?


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #83 on: July 22, 2018, 02:33:58 AM »
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  • To understand the saint’s life and death, we have to examine the times in which he was alive.  Toribio Romo lived during a dark and often unexamined period in Mexican history.  As a young priest Father Romo found himself in the middle of the Cristero War also known as the Cristero Rebellion or La Cristiada, a brutal internal conflict that lasted between 1926 and 1929 and pitted rural Catholic lay people and clergymen against the forces of the anti-Catholic, anti-clerical central government in Mexico City headed by President Plutarco Calles.  Calles sought to enforce the anti-clerical articles of the new Constitution of 1917 produced by the Mexican Revolution and enacted legislation to reduce the power of the Church.  This so-called Calles Law was seen as a continuation of the long struggle of Church versus State that dated back to La Reforma of the mid-19th Century.  Under this law restrictions were placed on the Catholic clergy and the power of the Church was further limited.  Popular religious celebrations were suppressed in local communities along with the number of priests allowed to serve in Mexico as a whole.  A few uprisings happened in 1926 and full-scale violence ensued by 1927, most notably in the countryside of the states of Zacatecas, Jalisco and Michoacan.  By 1927 all priests were prohibited from celebrating the mass and ordered confined to their residences or to relocate to urban areas.  Most clergy did not take part in violence, although many, like Father Toribio, defied the authorities and continued performing Catholic rites.  The Church hierarchy in Mexico tacitly supported the grassroots rebellion and the authorities in Rome condemned the Mexican government.  Curiously, two groups from the United States involved themselves in this war.  The Knights of Columbus, a service arm of the Catholic Church, donated money to the Cristero movement.  When the first donation of the Knights was announced, another group of Americans calling themselves knights – the Ku Klux Klan – offered President Calles $10,000 to fight against the Cristeros.  By 1928, Dwight Whitney Morrow, the US Ambassador to Mexico at the time became involved and eventually helped broker a truce between government forces and the Cristeros.  In the end, approximately a quarter million people died in the fighting, and Toribio Romo was among them.  On Friday, February 24, 1928, just a year before the end of the war, soldiers broke into the bedroom of Father Romo who had been taking an afternoon nap.  A few tense moments and two bullets later, the humble priest, who never took up arms or antagonized any uprising against the authorities, was dead.  He was 27 years old.



    http://mexicounexplained.com/saint-toribio-romo-mexican-martyr-angelic-coyote/

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #84 on: July 22, 2018, 08:13:26 AM »
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  • Poche,

    You didn't address my question about why you believe that the Holy Family broke immigration laws. I have to assume that you cannot provide any answer as to how they broke immigration law (because they didn't). You even said that under Trump, Joseph and Mary would be placed in detention, and the baby Jesus would be taken from Mary and kept in a cage. You were wrong to say something like that. 

    I can understand that you have sympathy toward those who cross the Mexican-American border. However, you seem to be making a case that crossing the border illegally is acceptable, due to the supposed saint who has been thought to help the illegal border crossers. But are you quite sure that the Church teaches that it's acceptable to break the law? After all, it's not an unjust law. A government's first duty is to protect its citizens. It is not unjust to have laws against illegal immigration. 

    Should our country allow everyone in who wants to come in? Wouldn't that mean hundreds of thousands of immigrants from every country Central and South America, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East? That would literally be many millions in total. Can we really absorb that many people?

    There are Americans who are suffering. In the city where I live, homelessness is an epidemic, and the governor is being asked to declare a state of emergency because of it. Most of the homeless are White men. 

    I saw a local TV news segment recently which featured a story about a woman who runs a little food bank out of her home. Some of the people who got food from her were interviewed. They were all White, and some were in tears when being interviewed, because they felt fortunate to have enough food for the week, and that someone wanted to help them. The woman who runs the little food bank, who is White, suffered from hunger herself as a child, and since she can afford it, she wants to help those who suffer from hunger. 





    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #85 on: July 22, 2018, 05:11:36 PM »
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  • The problem is, we 6th generation whites living in America have no other country to go to. If the Illegals flood in here and change our country out from under us, where can we flee to?

    My ancestors came here from Ireland and Germany -- legally, I might add -- but we've been here for many generations now. Going back to the 1800's. I looked up my Irish last name ancestry, and they were in southern Wisconsin for several generations -- starting at Great-grandfather -- before I eventually (inevitably) found the ancestor who came from Ireland, probably during the Potato Famine.

    I and everything I know is American. If something happened to America, I wouldn't have a home. It's not fair for everyone to flood in just because they want more money, a higher standard of living, or whatever. If they want a country like America, why don't they apply themselves to fixing up their own countries, rather than ruining their country and then moving here to ruin ours as well!
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #86 on: July 22, 2018, 07:05:22 PM »
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  • The problem is, we 6th generation whites living in America have no other country to go to. If the Illegals flood in here and change our country out from under us, where can we flee to?

    My ancestors came here from Ireland and Germany -- legally, I might add -- but we've been here for many generations now. Going back to the 1800's. I looked up my Irish last name ancestry, and they were in southern Wisconsin for several generations -- starting at Great-grandfather -- before I eventually (inevitably) found the ancestor who came from Ireland, probably during the Potato Famine.

    I and everything I know is American. If something happened to America, I wouldn't have a home. It's not fair for everyone to flood in just because they want more money, a higher standard of living, or whatever. If they want a country like America, why don't they apply themselves to fixing up their own countries, rather than ruining their country and then moving here to ruin ours as well!
    Well said Matthew!  It seems that everyone can have their own country except for whites. All of these foreigners think that they have some right to come into white countries and dispossess us of everything that we have built and have, and you can see the international hand behind it all.

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #87 on: July 22, 2018, 07:32:48 PM »
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  • The problem is, we 6th generation whites living in America have no other country to go to. If the Illegals flood in here and change our country out from under us, where can we flee to?

    My ancestors came here from Ireland and Germany -- legally, I might add -- but we've been here for many generations now. Going back to the 1800's. I looked up my Irish last name ancestry, and they were in southern Wisconsin for several generations -- starting at Great-grandfather -- before I eventually (inevitably) found the ancestor who came from Ireland, probably during the Potato Famine.

    I and everything I know is American. If something happened to America, I wouldn't have a home. It's not fair for everyone to flood in just because they want more money, a higher standard of living, or whatever. If they want a country like America, why don't they apply themselves to fixing up their own countries, rather than ruining their country and then moving here to ruin ours as well!
    Or first-generation immigrants from Latin America who came here in the 80s and worked their butt off to make a living in a new country like my own parents and many others. You'll never find more staunch opponents of illegal immigration than the people who had to work for it.

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #88 on: July 22, 2018, 11:25:33 PM »
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  • The problem is, we 6th generation whites living in America have no other country to go to. If the Illegals flood in here and change our country out from under us, where can we flee to?

    My ancestors came here from Ireland and Germany -- legally, I might add -- but we've been here for many generations now. Going back to the 1800's. I looked up my Irish last name ancestry, and they were in southern Wisconsin for several generations -- starting at Great-grandfather -- before I eventually (inevitably) found the ancestor who came from Ireland, probably during the Potato Famine.

    I and everything I know is American. If something happened to America, I wouldn't have a home. It's not fair for everyone to flood in just because they want more money, a higher standard of living, or whatever. If they want a country like America, why don't they apply themselves to fixing up their own countries, rather than ruining their country and then moving here to ruin ours as well!
    The Mexican and Central American people are predominantly Catholic. Wouldn't a more Catholic population be an improvement? 

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    « Reply #89 on: July 23, 2018, 03:21:42 AM »
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  • The Mexican and Central American people are predominantly Catholic. Wouldn't a more Catholic population be an improvement?

    No, a more nominally Catholic population would not necessarily be an improvement.  The corruption of the best (Catholics) is the worst corruption and sad to say most of the Catholic population both North and South of the border is quite corrupt in a lot more ways than one.

    But let's keep things on track.   The OP was about a novus ordo saint.  I couldn't find any official canonization degree on him at the Vatican's website or anywhere else.  The scarce biographical information I did find out about him makes him appear rather unremarkable, especially for a priest in Mexico at the time of his priesthood.