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Offline JezusDeKoning

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Re: Leonine Wall/Re: The Coyote Saint
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2018, 11:26:14 AM »
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  • This will sound harsh, but I don't care: the non-white non-Catholics living on borrowed time there are not European. At all.

    Open immigration is a cancer to Western society and a man like Mussolini or Franco is so desperately needed again over there. A country that puts God over country would deal with invasion swiftly and harshly.
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #16 on: July 11, 2018, 04:08:24 PM »
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  • Some Mexicans said even more migrants will seek the protection of St. Toribio, as Americans step up efforts to curb illegal border crossings.

    Yet, few people here expect the border measures – from more troops to higher walls to costly night-vision cameras – to much discourage illegal migration, despite its risks. Last year, almost 500 people, most of them Mexicans, died trying to reach U.S. soil.

    And so, many people from across Mexico are flocking to this region, known as Los Altos de Jalisco, in search of a guide with a reputation for divine powers. Many maintain that only a miracle can help them overcome the growing array of obstacles.

    "The number of migrants coming here in search of miracles is growing and will only get bigger," said the Rev. Gabriel González Pérez, parish priest of the small chapel where the remains of St. Toribio are buried.



    http://www.banderasnews.com/0607/nr-migrantssaint.htm
    Does St. Toribo  intercede for, and help those breaking the law? 


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    Re: Leonine Wall/Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #17 on: July 11, 2018, 10:56:52 PM »
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  • This will sound harsh, but I don't care: the non-white non-Catholics living on borrowed time there are not European. At all.

    Open immigration is a cancer to Western society and a man like Mussolini or Franco is so desperately needed again over there. A country that puts God over country would deal with invasion swiftly and harshly.
    the majority of the Mexican people are Catholic  and friendly to Catholic Tradition. 

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #18 on: July 11, 2018, 10:58:14 PM »
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  • Does St. Toribo  intercede for, and help those breaking the law?
    St Toribio intercedes for all those who pray to him and all those who love the Holy Virgin.  

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #19 on: July 12, 2018, 04:21:10 AM »
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  • "Father Toribio's philosophy was that hunger knows no border. That's why many migrants come here and pray to him. And then they ask us to bless key chains or pictures of Father Toribio before they put them around their necks."

    "They're putting their faith and lives in his hands."


    http://www.banderasnews.com/0607/nr-migrantssaint.htm


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #20 on: July 12, 2018, 08:39:04 AM »
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  • "Father Toribio's philosophy was that hunger knows no border. That's why many migrants come here and pray to him. And then they ask us to bless key chains or pictures of Father Toribio before they put them around their necks."

    "They're putting their faith and lives in his hands."


    http://www.banderasnews.com/0607/nr-migrantssaint.htm

    Do you believe that a country has the right to legislate laws which protects its own citizens firstly and foremost?

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    Re: Leonine Wall/Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #21 on: July 12, 2018, 10:17:53 AM »
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  • the majority of the Mexican people are Catholic  and friendly to Catholic Tradition.
    This is about Europe, genius.

    The Muslims in the US are very, very well-educated, hard-working and not fundie Muslim. A lot of them are doctors, lawyers, CEOs and manage to assimilate pretty well. Most of them left the Middle East or North Africa before it got radical Islamist.

    Britain has some of those, but the ones all coming here from the imploding Levant are all savages.
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    Re: Leonine Wall/Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #22 on: July 12, 2018, 10:32:18 AM »
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  • This is about Europe, genius.


    I'm pretty sure that the thread is about the issue of (illegal) migrants crossing the US - Mexican border.


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #23 on: July 12, 2018, 10:38:59 AM »
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  • St Toribio intercedes for all those who pray to him and all those who love the Holy Virgin.  

    This is an outlandish statement.  Can you prove it or even come close to proving it? 

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #24 on: July 12, 2018, 04:16:38 PM »
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  • St Toribio intercedes for all those who pray to him. 

    Cf. "Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matt. 7:21)

    According to poche, however, "St. Toribio intercedes for all [as in ALL] those who pray to him." 

    First of all, we don't know what each of those prayers are for.  Nor do we know who each of the people praying to the "Coyote Saint" is.  (For instance, it may well be that some coyotes pray to him to assist them in their continual criminal operation!  After all, they would in a certain sense be on the same page as the ones they are helping to cross the border illegally.)  Even if you were to grant that each of the ones praying loves the Blessed Mother how does that translate into the Coyote Saint interceding on behalf of each one of them, especially if they are praying in essence for assistance in violating the immigration (border laws) of another sovereign country?

    Finally, only God Himself determines whether or not one's prayers to a saint or angel will reach the intended recipient.  The Church has never taught that every person in every instance who prays to a saint or angel asking for their intercession will be heard.  God hears all, but that certainly doesn't mean a prayed to saint or angel necessarily hears all.  Even when they do hear our prayers it is still only through God's will (should He will it) that they be allowed to intercede for us. 

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #25 on: July 12, 2018, 04:42:01 PM »
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    Re: Leonine Wall/Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #26 on: July 12, 2018, 07:14:07 PM »
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  • the majority of the Mexican people are Catholic  and friendly to Catholic Tradition.
    but, when they run the borders they commit a criminal act. Crime is not the mark of a Catholic.

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #27 on: July 12, 2018, 07:15:03 PM »
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  • St Toribio intercedes for all those who pray to him and all those who love the Holy Virgin.  
    Including those who deliberately break the law and sin?

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #28 on: July 12, 2018, 07:16:40 PM »
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  • "Father Toribio's philosophy was that hunger knows no border. That's why many migrants come here and pray to him. And then they ask us to bless key chains or pictures of Father Toribio before they put them around their necks."

    "They're putting their faith and lives in his hands."


    http://www.banderasnews.com/0607/nr-migrantssaint.htm
    They are not coming here to eat, they are coming here to take advantage of the American taxpayer and break the law.

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    Re: Leonine Wall/Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #29 on: July 12, 2018, 07:41:15 PM »
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  • but, when they run the borders they commit a criminal act. Crime is not the mark of a Catholic.
    No, but it has the "mark" of a communist...

    This from the SOCIALISTWORKER.org...


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    For socialism to succeed in any country, the struggle has to be international, embracing the demands of the working class of all nations and spreading those demands from country to country. In the words of Marx and Engels, "Workers of the world unite!"

    We deserve better than the system we live under today--a world where no one is "illegal," a world without borders, a socialist future.

     

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