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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: The Coyote Saint
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2018, 08:18:47 AM »
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  • The present generation that is coming to USA is coming for free medical, housing, food, clothes and cash.   And this is includes people coming from Muslim countries and Asians.  They aren't working.  

    Daca equals brainwashed clueless immoral millenials    
    They are pawns of the Democratic Party.  Dems want free college to further brainwash them.  

    Sanctuary cities equal welfare cities where sex trafficking and drugs and exploitation by their own people. Some are working under table while working.  

    Many have left the Catholic Church and started their own heretic Church.  The NO has special parishes with Spanish Protestant masses.  No 4 marks. 

    Many leaves spouses behind and take new spouses and create new families.   Most children are in government brainwashing daycare called Reach. 

    The generation x of women immigrants cook, sew , clean and work in fields and were good Catholics.  This Daca generation are lazy and protest our President when they should protest their own.  Daca are liberal feminists who can't boil water.  They want big money for little work. Dada males are gender brainwashed after they leave free college.  And Daca children become like American millennials who are Communist atheists.  Daca and American millennials especially the females have a handbook that they must wear pajamas and wear thick ugly glasses.

    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #91 on: July 23, 2018, 08:52:07 AM »
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  • No, a more nominally Catholic population would not necessarily be an improvement.  The corruption of the best (Catholics) is the worst corruption and sad to say most of the Catholic population both North and South of the border is quite corrupt in a lot more ways than one.

    But let's keep things on track.   The OP was about a novus ordo saint.  I couldn't find any official canonization degree on him at the Vatican's website or anywhere else.  The scarce biographical information I did find out about him makes him appear rather unremarkable, especially for a priest in Mexico at the time of his priesthood.
    He was a martyr. He gave his life for Christ during the Cristero war. 


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    "Martyr"?/Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #92 on: July 23, 2018, 12:00:57 PM »
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  • He was a martyr.  He gave his life for Christ during the Cristero war.

    I'm sure that both claims would be made to honor every faithful Catholic--especially all clergy--who died as a result of that war in defense of the Catholic faith.  What qualified Toribio Romo González as a modernist saint, and as distinctly more worthy than other clergy who died?  It was under the Novus Ordo "churn 'em out" rules of "John Paul II" Wojtyła that he qualified, was it not?

    Despite the articles cited in this topic promoting the alleged Novus Ordo saint being quite easily accessible to interested readers via an ordinary link from your posted URLs, you've refused to let it go at that, instead beating the drum by posting short excerpts of those same articles [#].  But you've been suspiciously uninformative about the exact circuмstances of his death.

    Let's get real : Being shot to death by unidentified person(s) while he was sleeping in "his" "home" hardly seems to qualify for sainthood.

    In particular, that means that he was not shot in a rectory nor monastery.  So he was obviously also not shot in a church or chapel while in the act of providing the sacraments to the faithful.

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    Re: "Martyr"?/Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #93 on: July 23, 2018, 10:30:33 PM »
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  • I'm sure that both claims would be made to honor every faithful Catholic--especially all clergy--who died as a result of that war in defense of the Catholic faith.  What qualified Toribio Romo González as a modernist saint, and as distinctly more worthy than other clergy who died?  It was under the Novus Ordo "churn 'em out" rules of "John Paul II" Wojtyła that he qualified, was it not?

    Despite the articles cited in this topic promoting the alleged Novus Ordo saint being quite easily accessible to interested readers via an ordinary link from your posted URLs, you've refused to let it go at that, instead beating the drum by posting short excerpts of those same articles [#].  But you've been suspiciously uninformative about the exact circuмstances of his death.

    Let's get real : Being shot to death by unidentified person(s) while he was sleeping in "his" "home" hardly seems to qualify for sainthood.

    In particular, that means that he was not shot in a rectory nor monastery.  So he was obviously also not shot in a church or chapel while in the act of providing the sacraments to the faithful.

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    His home was the parish rectory.
    There are different aspects of his life and his holiness that bear separate postings. For example as a saint he is known for being the saint who is there when someone lost in the desert needs help. Most of the time he gives the help that the people need and want. Every now and then he may tell someone that they should go back, that it is not the will of God for them to go to the United States.
    It is interesting that this saint, known for helping those who are lost in the desert, in life was against the migration of Mexicans to the United States. He even wrote a play making fun of the migrant who went to the United States and came back looking like a fool.      

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #94 on: July 24, 2018, 11:46:45 PM »
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  • Father Toribio Romo later became one of the 25 Mexican Martyrs of the Cristero War honored by the Catholic Church. He was later beatified and then canonized.  Since his canonization in the year 2000 great interest has developed in the saint and thousands of people flock to the tiny town of Santa Ana de Guadalupe to visit his shrine and to see where he spent his youth.  As with many shrines in Mexico, supporting businesses have grown up alongside the attraction to serve the multitudes of pilgrims who come each year.  Where there were no restaurants in Santa Ana, there are now 3, along with an ice cream shop and many other stores to cater to tourists.  It was said by one of the locals that Santo Toribio managed to accomplish in death what he couldn’t in life:  the local population is more permanent now.  The people of Santa Ana are not forced to go to the United States looking for work, rather, they now live off the steady income that the tourist trade provides.

    http://mexicounexplained.com/saint-toribio-romo-mexican-martyr-angelic-coyote/

    He is like Father Pro. Father Pro always said that he would like to win the lottery. today the location where he was put to death is now the headquarters of the Mexican lottery,
     :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: 


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #95 on: July 25, 2018, 10:29:58 AM »
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  • Father Toribio Romo later became one of the 25 Mexican Martyrs of the Cristero War honored by the Catholic Church. He was later beatified and then canonized.  Since his canonization in the year 2000 great interest has developed in the saint and thousands of people flock to the tiny town of Santa Ana de Guadalupe to visit his shrine and to see where he spent his youth.  As with many shrines in Mexico, supporting businesses have grown up alongside the attraction to serve the multitudes of pilgrims who come each year.  Where there were no restaurants in Santa Ana, there are now 3, along with an ice cream shop and many other stores to cater to tourists.  It was said by one of the locals that Santo Toribio managed to accomplish in death what he couldn’t in life:  the local population is more permanent now.  The people of Santa Ana are not forced to go to the United States looking for work, rather, they now live off the steady income that the tourist trade provides.

    http://mexicounexplained.com/saint-toribio-romo-mexican-martyr-angelic-coyote/

    He is like Father Pro. Father Pro always said that he would like to win the lottery. today the location where he was put to death is now the headquarters of the Mexican lottery,
     :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:

    How is the Cristeros War in any sense related to the problem of migrants trying to get to the U.S. illegally?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #96 on: July 25, 2018, 07:50:16 PM »
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  • How is the Cristeros War in any sense related to the problem of migrants trying to get to the U.S. illegally?
    It isn't Meg. Liberals just see the entirety of life through the lens of social justice and feelings, and sadly they have to drag religion and the saints into it, whether they are relevant or not.
    Borders closed, send them home!

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #97 on: July 25, 2018, 10:59:55 PM »
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  • How is the Cristeros War in any sense related to the problem of migrants trying to get to the U.S. illegally?
    This thread is intended to be about St Toribio Romo.


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #98 on: July 26, 2018, 05:33:35 AM »
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  • How is the Cristeros War in any sense related to the problem of migrants trying to get to the U.S. illegally?
    Many people fled Mexico during the Cristeros war and entered the United States without docuмentation.

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #99 on: July 26, 2018, 05:34:40 AM »
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  • The official saint statue of Toribio Romo went on tour to various Mexican-American parishes in California in 2013.  The statue includes a relic of the saint, a piece of Romo’s ankle bone, encased in glass affixed to the torso of the statue.  People flocked to Indio, Hawthorn, Reseda and other cities to catch a glimpse of the saint, to thank him or to ask for a miracle.  The traveling saint proved more popular than the Church could have imagined with thousands of pilgrims showing up at events.


    http://mexicounexplained.com/saint-toribio-romo-mexican-martyr-angelic-coyote/

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #100 on: July 26, 2018, 10:19:26 AM »
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  • Many people fled Mexico during the Cristeros war and entered the United States without docuмentation.


    How do you know that a lot of people fled Mexico and entered the U.S. illegally at that time? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #101 on: July 26, 2018, 11:32:50 AM »
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  • How do you know that a lot of people fled Mexico and entered the U.S. illegally at that time?

    Well, I found an answer to my question. It seems that a great many Mexicans did indeed flee to the U.S. at that time.

    However, I found several websites that show that Toribio Romo was adamantly opposed to Mexicans going to the U.S. A distant relative of his (second cousin, once removed) wrote an article for Texas Monthly in 2010, after doing a lot of research about his cousin, Fr. Toribio Romo.

    This cousin tells a different side of the story of Fr. Toribio Romo. The Texas Monthly article describes Fr. Toribio Romo's opposition to his parishioners going to the U.S.; and in fact, Father had even written a one-act play, called "Let's Go North!" in which he warned against going north to the U.S.

    Here's his description of Fr. Toribio Romo's play:

    "If you betray your country and go north, Toribio's play warned its Mexican audience, you might come back as a "rooster hen that neither crows no lays eggs." Or worse, a Protestant. Take a look at what becomes of the Mexican who goes north, Sancho says at the end of the play. He ends up a man without a religion, without a country or home....a coward, an afeminado who is incapable of feeling shame for having abandoned responsibilities to his family. Despite this the roads are packed with Mexicans headed towards the United States, in search of bitter bread. Everywhere you hear the rallying cry - "Let's go north!" "

    The author of the article says that Fr. Toribio Romo did everything he could to keep his parishioners in Mexico from leaving home.

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/my-tio-the-saint/
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #102 on: July 26, 2018, 11:59:55 AM »
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  • Well, I found an answer to my question. It seems that a great many Mexicans did indeed flee to the U.S. at that time.

    However, I found several websites that show that Toribio Romo was adamantly opposed to Mexicans going to the U.S. A distant relative of his (second cousin, once removed) wrote an article for Texas Monthly in 2010, after doing a lot of research about his cousin, Fr. Toribio Romo.

    This cousin tells a different side of the story of Fr. Toribio Romo. The Texas Monthly article describes Fr. Toribio Romo's opposition to his parishioners going to the U.S.; and in fact, Father had even written a one-act play, called "Let's Go North!" in which he warned against going north to the U.S.

    Here's his description of Fr. Toribio Romo's play:

    "If you betray your country and go north, Toribio's play warned its Mexican audience, you might come back as a "rooster hen that neither crows no lays eggs." Or worse, a Protestant. Take a look at what becomes of the Mexican who goes north, Sancho says at the end of the play. He ends up a man without a religion, without a country or home....a coward, an afeminado who is incapable of feeling shame for having abandoned responsibilities to his family. Despite this the roads are packed with Mexicans headed towards the United States, in search of bitter bread. Everywhere you hear the rallying cry - "Let's go north!" "

    The author of the article says that Fr. Toribio Romo did everything he could to keep his parishioners in Mexico from leaving home.

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/my-tio-the-saint/
    Good quick find Meg. Well, there you go, another JPII politically correct "saint",  "the coyote saint", is shown to be an invention. (In 2000, "Pope" John Paul II canonized him and 24 other Catholics martyred in the war.)
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #103 on: July 26, 2018, 12:03:54 PM »
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  • Here's his description of Fr. Toribio Romo's play:

    "If you betray your country and go north, Toribio's play warned its Mexican audience, you might come back as a "rooster hen that neither crows no lays eggs." Or worse, a Protestant. Take a look at what becomes of the Mexican who goes north, Sancho says at the end of the play. He ends up a man without a religion, without a country or home....a coward, an afeminado ( an effeminate)  who is incapable of feeling shame for having abandoned responsibilities to his family. 

    The author of the article says that Fr. Toribio Romo did everything he could to keep his parishioners in Mexico from leaving home.

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/my-tio-the-saint/
    Everything he said is true. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #104 on: July 26, 2018, 12:52:48 PM »
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  • Many people fled Mexico during the Cristeros war and entered the United States without docuмentation.

    And the criminals (and they are all 100% criminals) entering the US illegally today are suffering armed persecution for their Catholic beliefs? I don't think so.

    They want a comfy life and more luxuries. They usually fall away from the Faith shortly after coming here, too.

    But unlike LEGAL immigrants in the past, such as those from Europe:

    1. The illegal Mexican immigrants choose to break the law
    2. They want no part of America or being American except for the money they can make here. They want to bring Mexico with them. If enough of them come, they will turn American into Mexico part 2. The European LEGAL immigrants, on the other hand, were willing to assimilate. They learned and spoke English for example. They didn't try to change the country they moved to.
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