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Offline poche

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Re: The Coyote Saint
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2018, 08:19:17 AM »
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    • According to legend, it was in the late 1970s that migrants began telling stories about St. Toribio's coming to their rescue.

    One such tale, from the 1990s, is about a man named Jesús Buendía gαytán. He reported that he'd been walking several days in the desert, barely alive, when he saw a thin young man with white skin and piercing blue eyes. The man offered him food and water, spoke to him in Spanish, and even gave him a few dollars.

    The young man had one request: "When you finally get a job and money, look for me in Santa Ana de Guadalupe, Jalisco. Ask for Toribio Romo."

    Years later, the story goes, Señor gαytán visited Santa Ana de Guadalupe, in search of his Good Samaritan. He was said to be dumbfounded, on seeing a photo of St. Toribio, to recognize the face of his coyote.


    http://www.banderasnews.com/0607/nr-migrantssaint.htm
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    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #46 on: July 16, 2018, 08:49:48 AM »
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    • Poche, my man, you are phenomenal at dodging any questions or rebukes. Go into politics, it would be good for people like you.
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #47 on: July 16, 2018, 10:06:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on July 16, 2018, 08:49:48 AM
    Poche, my man, you are phenomenal at dodging any questions or rebukes. Go into politics, it would be good for people like you.
    Would you vote for me?
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    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #48 on: July 16, 2018, 10:41:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 16, 2018, 10:06:11 AM
    Would you vote for me?
    My point is that politicians are excellent at dodging and deflecting questions. The honest ones are either offed or voted out or don't make it far.
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #49 on: July 16, 2018, 11:19:01 AM »
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    The majority of the Mexican people are nominal Catholics.

    Whis is to say, Protestants, at best.

    I don't really believe that these people even hold a true belief in Christ.

    Sometimes, it seems even easier converting atheists and pagans to Traditional Catholicism, than nominal or cultural "Catholics"
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

    Offline poche

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #50 on: July 17, 2018, 10:32:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on July 16, 2018, 10:41:56 AM
    My point is that politicians are excellent at dodging and deflecting questions. The honest ones are either offed or voted out or don't make it far.
    Yes, but would you vote for me?
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #51 on: July 17, 2018, 11:27:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 17, 2018, 10:32:15 PM
    Yes, but would you vote for me?
    Just for you Poche. I know you will not be able to grasp the explanation. However, can you refute this video?
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #52 on: July 18, 2018, 12:22:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truecharity on July 17, 2018, 11:27:31 PM
    Just for you Poche. I know you will not be able to grasp the explanation. However, can you refute this video?

    Too much for you, Poche?  I get the fact you're a liberal. However, can't even comment on the meat and potatoes of the video. Wow.  Folks such as yourself are mentioned in the video: Once they cannot compute, they change subject .
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    Offline poche

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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #53 on: July 18, 2018, 01:52:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Truecharity on July 18, 2018, 12:22:53 AM
    Too much for you, Poche?  I get the fact you're a liberal. However, can't even comment on the meat and potatoes of the video. Wow.  Folks such as yourself are mentioned in the video: Once they cannot compute, they change subject .
    I can't comment on it because I do not have access on the ability to hear it. 
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #54 on: July 18, 2018, 03:39:16 AM »
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    • The Catholic Church does not officially confirm such miracles by the saint along the border. Nonetheless, said Father González, some dioceses in Mexico and the U.S. are lobbying to have Toribio declared the official patron saint of migrants.

    Among the visitors to Santa Ana de Guadalupe on a recent Saturday was Alberto González, 23. He had returned to Mexico from North Texas, where he'd worked for three years in construction.

    Outside the chapel, the family munched on corn on the cob and listened as a local band jammed.

    Mr. González said his thoughts were already on his next journey northward. He plans a return to the Dallas area later this year.

    "For sure, it'll be the most difficult crossing," he said. "That's why I'm here – asking Father Toribio to guide me across, to perform another miracle."


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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #55 on: July 18, 2018, 03:30:38 PM »
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    • Hope someone proves me wrong, but I think poche is going to have the last word in this thread no matter what.
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #56 on: July 18, 2018, 04:18:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on July 18, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
    Hope someone proves me wrong, but I think poche is going to have the last word in this thread no matter what.
    A hopeless Liberal who thinks the Church and its Saints, are social justice warriors, like his mentor Francis.
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #57 on: July 18, 2018, 10:27:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: JPaul on July 18, 2018, 04:18:41 PM
    A hopeless Liberal who thinks the Church and its Saints, are social justice warriors, like his mentor Francis.
    Like St Margaret of Scotland and St Elizabeth of Hungary
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #58 on: July 19, 2018, 12:39:51 AM »
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    • No one knows how Toribio Romo became the de facto patron saint of border crossers or those undertaking perilous journeys.  While the Catholic Church recognizes him as a saint, they do not recognize him as the patron saint of migrants, a role he has assumed seemingly spontaneously.  The Vatican’s official saint for migrants, ironically, is the first American citizen to become a saint, Mother Frances Cabrini, an Italian nun who helped Italian immigrants in the US in the late 19th Century.  As Mexicans have a hard time identifying with Mother Cabrini, Santo Toribio has filled the void and has been growing in popularity as the patron saint of Mexican migrants ever since his canonization.

    http://mexicounexplained.com/saint-toribio-romo-mexican-martyr-angelic-coyote/
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    Re: The Coyote Saint
    « Reply #59 on: July 19, 2018, 10:32:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 18, 2018, 10:27:40 PM
    Like St Margaret of Scotland and St Elizabeth of Hungary

    I'm pretty sure that St. Margaret of Scotland, in performing her charitable works, would not have encouraged anyone to break the law nor would she have supported them in doing so.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29
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