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Offline Aleah

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The Conversion of Shia
« on: August 25, 2022, 08:17:47 PM »
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #1 on: August 25, 2022, 08:35:28 PM »
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #2 on: August 25, 2022, 08:37:51 PM »
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    • Thanks! I ran a search before posting but I must not have used the correct keywords.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #3 on: August 25, 2022, 08:59:24 PM »
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    • Good video. I watched only the first 15 minutes of the video so far. At minute 12:02, Shia says...."The Latin Mass affects me deeply, deeply....." He then goes on to say that certain NO masses affect him deeply, too, but at least he sees something in the TLM, and he seems willing to learn.

    The idiot Bp. Barron appears to be learning a thing or two also, from this interview, but he could just be pretending. I can't stand Bp. Barron. Barron is the only drawback so far to this video.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #4 on: August 26, 2022, 04:26:42 AM »
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    • Conversion is one thing, living as a Catholic is another. I hope someone tells him of the commandments of God and of His Church. That is the condition of a conversion.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #5 on: August 26, 2022, 08:37:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on August 26, 2022, 04:26:42 AM
    Conversion is one thing, living as a Catholic is another. I hope someone tells him of the commandments of God and of His Church. That is the condition of a conversion.

    What are you talking about?  If he has enough sense and knowledge to be able to contrast the Tridentine Mass with the NOM, he surely has heard about the commandments.  If this was an oblique attack on his past sinful life, then why are you attempting to hold his past against him to the point of impugning his conversion?

    That this comment somehow received thumbs-up from people I find rather disturbing.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2022, 10:30:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 26, 2022, 08:37:46 AM
    What are you talking about?  If he has enough sense and knowledge to be able to contrast the Tridentine Mass with the NOM, he surely has heard about the commandments.  If this was an oblique attack on his past sinful life, then why are you attempting to hold his past against him to the point of impugning his conversion?

    That this comment somehow received thumbs-up from people I find rather disturbing.

    This is the first time I ever read about a guy called Shia. I have no idea of his past life. How dare you suggest I was referring to his 'sins' when I made the very obvious conditions of 'conversion,' that is, keep the commandments. I know many who have attended the TM and who left and are no longer the perfect non-sinning traditionalists you seem to think they all are. Tell me how many who post on CIF have not a sinful past, including myself?

    As for those thumbs-up people, I have no doubt they agreed with the principle that true conversion is not just going to the TM but living a Catholic life thereafter. You suggest they too were attacking Shia's past sinful life which is totally unfounded.. 

    As for thumbs up and down, I find those thumb downers far more disturbing. They remind me of those driven to ѕυιcιdє from the bullies who anonymously text insults to others. If I had my way I would do away with the secret thumbs up and down which only result in ceasing true debate.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #7 on: August 26, 2022, 10:40:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on August 26, 2022, 10:30:32 AM
    This is the first time I ever read about a guy called Shia. I have no idea of his past life. How dare you suggest I was referring to his 'sins' when I made the very obvious conditions of 'conversion,' that is, keep the commandments. I know many who have attended the TM and who left and are no longer the perfect non-sinning traditionalists you seem to think they all are. Tell me how many who post on CIF have not a sinful past, including myself?

    As for those thumbs-up people, I have no doubt they agreed with the principle that true conversion is not just going to the TM but living a Catholic life thereafter. You suggest they too were attacking Shia's past sinful life which is totally unfounded..

    As for thumbs up and down, I find those thumb downers far more disturbing. They remind me of those driven to ѕυιcιdє from the bullies who anonymously text insults to others. If I had my way I would do away with the secret thumbs up and down which only result in ceasing true debate.

    Thanks for clarifying your other post. I wasn't sure what you meant by it exactly. Don't understand why you were downvoted for it though. 
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #8 on: August 26, 2022, 11:18:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on August 26, 2022, 10:30:32 AM
    This is the first time I ever read about a guy called Shia. I have no idea of his past life. How dare you suggest I was referring to his 'sins' when I made the very obvious conditions of 'conversion,' that is, keep the commandments. I know many who have attended the TM and who left and are no longer the perfect non-sinning traditionalists you seem to think they all are. Tell me how many who post on CIF have not a sinful past, including myself?

    As for those thumbs-up people, I have no doubt they agreed with the principle that true conversion is not just going to the TM but living a Catholic life thereafter. You suggest they too were attacking Shia's past sinful life which is totally unfounded..

    As for thumbs up and down, I find those thumb downers far more disturbing. They remind me of those driven to ѕυιcιdє from the bullies who anonymously text insults to others. If I had my way I would do away with the secret thumbs up and down which only result in ceasing true debate.
    Agree with paragraph 1 and 2.
    As for paragraph 3, perhaps people thumb-down because they dis-"agree with the principle"?
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #9 on: August 27, 2022, 10:37:54 PM »
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    • I really enjoyed that video. Now I'm curious how good the movie turned out.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #10 on: August 28, 2022, 07:52:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 25, 2022, 08:59:24 PM
    The idiot Bp. Barron appears to be learning a thing or two also, from this interview, but he could just be pretending. I can't stand Bp. Barron. Barron is the only drawback so far to this video.

    Barron teaches "even atheists of good will can be saved and go to Heaven"
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #11 on: August 28, 2022, 09:52:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: sram on August 28, 2022, 07:52:50 AM
    Barron teaches "even atheists of good will can be saved and go to Heaven"

    Barron is one of the worst.  On another show, he was basically condoning sodomy.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #12 on: August 28, 2022, 09:57:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 28, 2022, 09:52:56 AM
    Barron is one of the worst.  On another show, he was basically condoning sodomy.
    Can you link this?  I’m aware of his crypto universalism and what have but I’ve never seen this.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #13 on: August 28, 2022, 11:46:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 28, 2022, 09:52:56 AM
    Barron is one of the worst.  On another show, he was basically condoning sodomy.
    He is an utter heretic. Don't forget this zinger where he unpacks the total indifferentism of Vatican II for Shapiro.

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #14 on: August 28, 2022, 11:53:04 AM »
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    • Somone would perform a great service by taking this video and editing out Barron and letting Shia speak.  I've only listened to the first 10-15 and Shia tried several times to start discussing his conversion, and Barron kept trying to make him talk about acting.  I'm guessing that the edit would make it 65% shorter.
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