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Offline DigitalLogos

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Re: The Conversion of Shia
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2022, 12:13:23 PM »
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  • Somone would perform a great service by taking this video and editing out Barron and letting Shia speak.  I've only listened to the first 10-15 and Shia tried several times to start discussing his conversion, and Barron kept trying to make him talk about acting.  I'm guessing that the edit would make it 65% shorter.
    It really shows you where Barron's heart lies
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #16 on: August 28, 2022, 12:32:48 PM »
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  • Can you link this?  I’m aware of his crypto universalism and what have but I’ve never seen this.

    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/the-troubling-kinship-of-bishop-barron-and-father-martin

    It's interesting how Barron is viewed as "conservative" when he has denied the historicity of Sacred Scripture (says that there was not historical Adam but that the Adam of Scripture was an allegory for "the first scientist", believes that it's possible that no one is in hell (heresy), believes in subjective soteriology (where even atheists can be saved), and effectively endorses sodomy (and moral relativism in general).

    I haven't found the shorter clip from the interview, but it took place somewhere during this one.



    There's more about him here:


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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #17 on: August 28, 2022, 12:37:05 PM »
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  • It's interesting how Barron is viewed as "conservative" when he has denied the historicity of Sacred Scripture


    The "goal posts" or whatever you want to call it, keep shifting.

    What is liberal today is conservatism tomorrow.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #18 on: August 28, 2022, 02:46:29 PM »
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  • What are you talking about?  If he has enough sense and knowledge to be able to contrast the Tridentine Mass with the NOM, he surely has heard about the commandments.  If this was an oblique attack on his past sinful life, then why are you attempting to hold his past against him to the point of impugning his conversion?

    That this comment somehow received thumbs-up from people I find rather disturbing.
    Thank you for posting in defense of Shia. I am blown away by the negativity instead of rejoicing for a miraculous conversion! The man was sitting at a table with a gun! He had no idea that Christ ate His meals with the depraved. Have we also forgotten that " charity covers a multiple of sins?
    I am He who is- you are she who is not.

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #19 on: August 28, 2022, 07:47:36 PM »
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  • Shia seems deeply spiritual and discerning, and Barron seems so pretentious and "Hollywood".
    I think Barron was hoping for less intense conversion speak and more woke pop-culture conversation. I think the depth of it made Barron a little uncomfortable.


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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #20 on: August 31, 2022, 09:43:44 PM »
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  • Conversion is one thing, living as a Catholic is another. I hope someone tells him of the commandments of God and of His Church. That is the condition of a conversion.

    Instead of falling all over ourselves, it’s prudent to remain cautious about Shia’s conversion.

    What do we really know about him?  When a Hollywood jew says he converted, we need to know more.  

    If he starts evangelizing… like the convert jews, Roy Schoeman or the Protestant Opus Dei, Dr. Taylor Marshall… be on the watch for a Marrano agenda.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #21 on: August 31, 2022, 10:05:29 PM »
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  • Conversion is one thing, living as a Catholic is another. I hope someone tells him of the commandments of God and of His Church. That is the condition of a conversion.
    Russia?

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #22 on: September 01, 2022, 08:13:42 AM »
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  • ...
    This is what I was going for but written much better.


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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #23 on: September 01, 2022, 10:05:30 AM »
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  • I had a thought: maybe he'll have a vocation to the priesthood and donate all he has earned in Hollywood to build a chapel or start a free Catholic school. Who knows? He shows a deeper love of God and His Holy Mass in one person than most of these very lax Novus Ordo folk in a lifetime.
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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #24 on: September 02, 2022, 12:14:56 AM »
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  • Another interview with him:

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #25 on: September 02, 2022, 12:57:55 AM »
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  • I had a thought: maybe he'll have a vocation to the priesthood and donate all he has earned in Hollywood to build a chapel or start a free Catholic school. Who knows? He shows a deeper love of God and His Holy Mass in one person than most of these very lax Novus Ordo folk in a lifetime.

    I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.  He has a newborn daughter, and even though he is not married, I have to think that any bishop, canonical or otherwise, would balk at ordaining a man who has responsibilities towards a minor child.  Even though that child will obviously be cared for financially, and cared for very well in that respect, there is far more to being a father, than just paying the bills.

    I know from my own experience that it's a full-time job, and any child deserves the best from his or her parents, financial and otherwise.  His vocation might have to wait a couple of decades.

    As a side note, my son took me to task the other day, in a very erudite argument for a teenager, for having sinfully used NFP for many years to avoid having a child.  He reminded me that if he'd been born in 1995, he'd be 27 years old now, and he'd rather be 27 than 15.  He was absolutely in the right, though I reminded him that he wouldn't be "him", in that every time you combine the 23 and the 23 chromosomes, a unique individual is created.  His point, however, was inescapable.  He also wanted to talk about penance and what constitutes it.   He was the one who brought it up.  A young Jean Vianney in the making?


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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #26 on: September 07, 2022, 08:32:39 AM »
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  • I missed it, in his Padre Pio movie trailer, where he acts out the Saint telling a woman to: “Shut the F up!”

    This is a big red flag 🚩 

    Italian temper? Yes.
    But since Padre Pio was uniquely graced with a supernatural stigmata very early in his priesthood, I absolutely doubt he uttered the F bomb.

    In addition, if you have read Chiesa Viva’s research and expose’ on the masonic Padre Pio shrine, you will understand that our Saint is a special target of the devil.

    The fact that Shia is Jєωιѕн and has been mentored by Mel (Marrano) Gibson are more red flags 🚩 🚩 

    As you may recall, in Gibson’s “Passion of Christ” he brought to life the Protestant heresy of Our Lord crushing the head of the serpent, when in fact, that act is an exclusive license of Our Lady.

    Gibson knew what he was doing when he created that scene.   

    And if Shia is a zealous convert to tradition, as he wants us to believe, he wouldn’t have done the F bomb scene.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #27 on: September 07, 2022, 08:53:28 AM »
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  • I missed it, in his Padre Pio movie trailer, where he acts out the Saint telling a woman to: “Shut the F up!”

    This is a big red flag 🚩

    Italian temper? Yes.
    But since Padre Pio was uniquely graced with a supernatural stigmata very early in his priesthood, I absolutely doubt he uttered the F bomb.

    In addition, if you have read Chiesa Viva’s research and expose’ on the masonic Padre Pio shrine, you will understand that our Saint is a special target of the devil.

    The fact that Shia is Jєωιѕн and has been mentored by Mel (Marrano) Gibson are more red flags 🚩 🚩

    As you may recall, in Gibson’s “Passion of Christ” he brought to life the Protestant heresy of Our Lord crushing the head of the serpent, when in fact, that act is an exclusive license of Our Lady.

    Gibson knew what he was doing when he created that scene. 

    And if Shia is a zealous convert to tradition, as he wants us to believe, he wouldn’t have done the F bomb scene.
    The saint does not say that. Just some extra in a scene unrelated to Pio. Watch the trailer instead of rashly judging.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #28 on: September 07, 2022, 10:12:27 AM »
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  • No it's true- Shia as Pio Says the F bomb to a woman  who he suspects is the devil. It's in one of the trailers listed for the Venice film festival.


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    Re: The Conversion of Shia
    « Reply #29 on: September 07, 2022, 10:16:51 AM »
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  • Sorry- I just wanted to put the URL to the video and not post the whole video due to the language